Smoking Question

[Nessa1dc]

To the OP:

Yes, you can be affected by smoking on your balcony depending on the wind, time of day, amount of smoke, brand, passenger and the list goes on. I honestly doubt you will have a problem though. Enjoy your cruise.

I am a smoker, and I fill out a comment card every cruise as well....thanking RCCL for finding a place for me. I normally only smoke on my balcony and in the designated bars and casino. I'm not a chain smoker and I do my best not to be a bother to others....that's all I can offer.

Everyone have fantastic cruises.

[mad101]

I know there are smokers and there are non smokers, for me I am unlucky enough to be a smoker. I obey all rules and regulations and yet I still find myself discriminated against. I try not offend others with my habit, luckily there are less and less smokers but some of us do have this nasty habit that was once condoned by government and society. So what I would like to ask is where would you like us smokers to go. You don't want us on a balcony, you don't want us in a smokers room. So where are we allowed to go so it won't infringe on you? Are we allowed a little space or compassion or are we considered we scum and not tolerated anywhere. My money is just as good as yours I am a good person I don't intentionally go out of my way to upset my fellow passengers. I myself would like a smoking cruise but that is not feasible or hotels that cater for us smokers. But this won't happen what I would like is that maybe one side of ships is smokers and the other is designated non smoking so that all can be happy and harmonious. But again the majority is not happy with this either. A little compassion a little tolerance. I just don't like the feeling that I am bit of dirt because I am smoker, I try my hardest not to inflict my habit on others but where are we allowed to smoke, where we won't upset the non smoker. Each of us do have some form of habits some more noticeable than others. So how about coming to some sort of solution like two decks smokers others are smoke free. Two hotel levels others smoke free. And I agree to no smoking indoors eg casino, restaurants, nightclubs etc anywhere but have an outside venue for a smoker to go. So it is a smokers choice to go to an inside venue smoke free and a non smokers choice to go to a designated smokers area. I feel the bigger area should go to the majority which is the non smokers but us smokers also need a little consideration and compassion also considering smoking was once a very fashionable thing to do and yes some of us have the habit. Maybe in future years it maybe extinct from our society but like many other minority groups we are now face with discrimination.

[cello56]

[quote name='mad101'] So it is a smokers choice to go to an inside venue smoke free and a non smokers choice to go to a designated smokers area. [/QUOTE]

Here in lies the rub. You as a smoker can CHOOSE to go into a non-smoking venue and just not smoke for that hour. I as a non-smoker cannot hold my breathe for an hour in order to go in a venue that has smoking. I don't think that a lot of smokers understand that for many of us non-smokers, exposing ourselves to smoke is simply not an option. Nor should it have to be.

I feel that the entire ship should be non-smoking indoors, including the balconies off of staterooms. There should be a smoking area on the outside decks that is clearly marked, that is not an area that people would need to travel through to get somewhere else. Perhaps a section of deck where there are 'doors' or some sort of movement stopping device that can be clearly marked as the smoking section. That way non-smokers would have no excuse at all to walk through and complain about the smoke. As it is, with one entire side of the deck smoking, on some ships it is pretty hard to avoid that area.

That is my own personal opinion as to what I would like to see happen. I really don't think that most smokers understand just how must distress one smoker cause cause in a bar or lounge or balcony to so many other people. Saying one side is smoking and the other non smoking is ludicrous. The smoke does not stay on your side, but pollutes the entire venue.

Smoking = Optional

Breathing Clean Air = Necessary

P.S. I don't hate smokers, or think that they are awful people. I am sure that there are good and bad people in both smoking and non-smoking populations. I just don't happen to want to be around people who choose to smoke.

[Jimnbigd]

Mariner OTS (and I think Voyager OTS) poolside had the smoking section on the port side. Note that on Carnival ships smoking poolside is usually on the startboard side. I think the solarium is non-smoking -- don't remember seeing anyone smoke there.

[Mark_K]

[quote name='Sequim88']We really would have liked to have frequented the Wig & Gavel pub on Mariner. We are both beer & ale aficianados and they have a much expanded selection there. The music there would also have been nice to enjoy. But the smoke was so bad, even out in the promenande area, we could not go there. Asthma and sinus issues make us both very sensitive to smoke. So. no, we can't always patronize another lounge.

[IMG]http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=I4770188799574098&pid=1.1[/IMG][/quote]Seems perfectly reasonable to me -- as long as you only do it in the designated farting areas.

[Cigar King]

[quote name='cello56']Here in lies the rub. You as a smoker can CHOOSE to go into a non-smoking venue and just not smoke for that hour. I as a non-smoker cannot hold my breathe for an hour in order to go in a venue that has smoking. I don't think that a lot of smokers understand that for many of us non-smokers, exposing ourselves to smoke is simply not an option. Nor should it have to be.[/quote]

I'm failing to understand why you feel the need to go into a smoking area if you don't want to be around the smoke.

[quote name='cello56']P.S. I don't hate smokers, or think that they are awful people. I am sure that there are good and bad people in both smoking and non-smoking populations. I just don't happen to want to be around people who choose to smoke.[/quote]

There's an easy solution to this conundrum...don't hang out in the designated smoking areas.

[cello56]

[quote name='Cigar King']I'm failing to understand why you feel the need to go into a smoking area if you don't want to be around the smoke.



There's an easy solution to this conundrum...don't hang out in the designated smoking areas.[/QUOTE]

What part of I should be able to go to ALL the venues on the ship do YOU not understand? I mean should I never be able to go in the casino, in Boleros, in the English Pub unless I am willing to sacrifice my lungs? You can go and not smoke, I cannot go and not breathe. Making half of these venues "Non Smoking" is a joke. The entire venue is full of smoke. I paid the same cruise fare as a smoker, and I object to being unable to use venues unless I breathe polluted air.

[madelinerose]

[quote name='cello56']I feel that the entire ship should be non-smoking indoors, including the balconies off of staterooms. [/quote]

What you [B]feel[/B] is irrelevant. RCI [B]allows[/B] smoking indoors and on balconies. [B]Period. Done.[/B] Either don't cruise at all or cruise Celebrity. :rolleyes:

I'm a non-smoker. I live approximately 20 minutes from the port of Baltimore. I haven't cruised on the Pride or Enchantment partially because of the smoking policy. We all make choices. You have [B]chosen[/B] to continue to sail RCI.

[B]RCI does not provide you with the non-smoking cruise you desire.[/B] It's time to move on or choose another vacation venue. It's all quite simple. :rolleyes:

[madelinerose]

Oh, and cello56...love the Greyhounds. ;)

[postmeome]

[quote name='madelinerose']What you [B]feel[/B] is irrelevant. RCI [B]allows[/B] smoking indoors and on balconies. [B]Period. Done.[/B] Either don't cruise at all or cruise Celebrity. :rolleyes:

I'm a non-smoker. I live approximately 20 minutes from the port of Baltimore. I haven't cruised on the Pride or Enchantment partially because of the smoking policy. We all make choices. You have [B]chosen[/B] to continue to sail RCI.

[B]RCI does not provide you with the non-smoking cruise you desire.[/B] It's time to move on or choose another vacation venue. It's all quite simple. :rolleyes:[/quote]
i smoke ,but i would not smoke indoors ,streaming eyes ,bad smell ,hazy atmosphere, but outdoors in a smoking area i will smoke ,i will also smoke om my balcony,i have booked rci and know smoking is allowed on my balcony, if i were a non smoker i would still know you can smoke on your balcony:)

[Cigar King]

[quote name='cello56']What part of I should be able to go to ALL the venues on the ship do YOU not understand? I mean should I never be able to go in the casino, in Boleros, in the English Pub unless I am willing to sacrifice my lungs? You can go and not smoke, I cannot go and not breathe. Making half of these venues "Non Smoking" is a joke. The entire venue is full of smoke. I paid the same cruise fare as a smoker, and I object to being unable to use venues unless I breathe polluted air.[/quote]

Really, it sounds like you would be better off cruising with another, less smoking friendly line. You know, up front, that RCI allows smoking in some of these areas. BTW, the idea that you should be able to go to all venues on the ship is clearly wrong. There are all sorts of other restrictions, why don't you start complaining that even though you don't have kids you should be able to go the the Kids Zone...or how about the bridge? ;-)

[pseudoware]

[quote name='cello56']Here in lies the rub. You as a smoker can CHOOSE to go into a non-smoking venue and just not smoke for that hour. I as a non-smoker cannot hold my breathe for an hour in order to go in a venue that has smoking. I don't think that a lot of smokers understand that for many of us non-smokers, exposing ourselves to smoke is simply not an option. Nor should it have to be.

I feel that the entire ship should be non-smoking indoors, including the balconies off of staterooms. There should be a smoking area on the outside decks that is clearly marked, that is not an area that people would need to travel through to get somewhere else. Perhaps a section of deck where there are 'doors' or some sort of movement stopping device that can be clearly marked as the smoking section. That way non-smokers would have no excuse at all to walk through and complain about the smoke. As it is, with one entire side of the deck smoking, on some ships it is pretty hard to avoid that area.

That is my own personal opinion as to what I would like to see happen. I really don't think that most smokers understand just how must distress one smoker cause cause in a bar or lounge or balcony to so many other people. Saying one side is smoking and the other non smoking is ludicrous. The smoke does not stay on your side, but pollutes the entire venue.

Smoking = Optional

Breathing Clean Air = Necessary

P.S. I don't hate smokers, or think that they are awful people. I am sure that there are good and bad people in both smoking and non-smoking populations. I just don't happen to want to be around people who choose to smoke.[/quote]

This pretty much sums it up. At the end of the day, exposing other people to a carcinogen and increasing their risk to the adverse health affects that it causes is just wrong. Smokers don't see it that way because it has been perceived as acceptable for decades, and now their rights are being "taken away". You wouldn't go walking down the street or through a public building spreading some dioxin or asbestos dust and expect others to just take it. The only difference with cigarette smoke is smoking has been considered socially acceptable.

Fortunately, were heading in a place as a society where such poisoning of our clean air is being tolerated less and less. We're not moving there fast enough, due in part to the efforts of tobacco companies, but make no mistake, we will get there. It's like the end of slavery in the 19th century, women's suffrage in the 20's, the Civil Rights movement in the 60's, and same-sex marriage today - what is right will ultimately prevail.

[postmeome]

[quote name='pseudoware']This pretty much sums it up. At the end of the day, exposing other people to a carcinogen and increasing their risk to the adverse health affects that it causes is just wrong. Smokers don't see it that way because it has been perceived as acceptable for decades, and now their rights are being "taken away". You wouldn't go walking down the street or through a public building spreading some dioxin or asbestos dust and expect others to just take it. The only difference with cigarette smoke is smoking has been considered socially acceptable.

Fortunately, were heading in a place as a society where such poisoning of our clean air is being tolerated less and less. We're not moving there fast enough, due in part to the efforts of tobacco companies, but make no mistake, we will get there. It's like the end of slavery in the 19th century, women's suffrage in the 20's, the Civil Rights movement in the 60's, and same-sex marriage today - what is right will ultimately prevail.[/quote]
when you walk down your street ,think about deisel+petrol fumes you are taking in what car do you drive? clean air ? get a grip:mad:

[madelinerose]

[quote name='pseudoware']Fortunately, were heading in a place as a society where such poisoning of our clean air is being tolerated less and less. [/quote]

Yes, and I applaud this, however [B]right now, today, at this very moment, RCI [SIZE=3]allows[/SIZE] smoking[/B]. If you cruise on RCI today, you will be subjected to people smoking. ;)

[pseudoware]

[quote name='postmeome']when you walk down your street ,think about deisel+petrol fumes you are taking in what car do you drive? clean air ? get a grip:mad:[/quote]

Efforts have been made to mitigate those. Ever heard of emissions laws? Yes, hazards exists, they likely always will, but that's no excuse not to try to minimize or eliminate the ones we can.

[Cigar King]

[quote name='pseudoware']Yes, hazards exists, they likely always will, but that's no excuse not to try to minimize or eliminate the ones we can.[/quote]

And you can help achieve this worthy goal by keeping away from the smoking areas. Hey! Look how simple that is.

[mjldvlks]

[quote name='Cigar King']And you can help achieve this worthy goal by keeping away from the smoking areas. Hey! Look how simple that is.[/quote]
We have discussed it pretty thoroughly, by Since you repeated it, I will repeat it is still a pretty weak argument.

[Cigar King]

I believe the stronger argument is not cruising on Royal (or Celebrity) and sending them a copy of the bill of sale for one of their competitors. When they see a loss of revenue, that's an argument they'll understand.

[charmay]

Well i have to say as a smoker myself i wish they would cater for all and have smoking on balconies on one side of the ship or something.
I think we should all respect everyones wishes.
Personally i dont smoke that much but do like a cig with my coffee in the morning.
And when getting back after a tipple.
When i was on my last cruise i was made to feel very uncomfortable by a man moaning next door about the smell of smoke.
Now think about it. I was feeling bad about something i was well entitled to be doing?
I was allowed to smoke there, but had to put up with loud sarcastic remarks the whole trip.(even his wife told him to shut up,and that she couldnt smell it!)
Not nice.
If i was on the smoking side for example i may not have had to put up with this.
Apparently a total non smoking cruise was abandoned a couple of mns in through lack of interest!
It doesnt make me a bad person,and i dont smoke in enclosed spaces or near children.
But this ship is my home for the time i am on it, so i should have somewhere to go.
When people were allowed to smoke in pubs a few years back did you scowl at them?
No because they were entitled to be doing it,same as they are on the balcony.
Like i say a certain side or area for balcony smoking would be better for all.

[bbbearden]

[quote name='Cigar King']No, it's rude to complain about things you choose to expose yourself to. You have options, and you choose not to avail yourself of them, ergo, you choose to expose yourself to second hand smoke.[/quote]

You seem to be assuming that there are cruises of equal quality, equivlant price, and the same itinerary always available. That is not always the case. No one is choosing to allow themselves to be exposed to second hand smoke, but we are sometimes forced against our will to endure it in order to achieve our ultimate vacation goals.

Secondly, you seem to be indicating that by electing to cruise on a line that allows this behavior that we as paying guests give up the right to voice our opinon. We have every right to voice our opinion and to lobby the business we are spending our dollars supporting to come around to our view. I will do it every chance I get; every cruise comment card I fill out expresses my deep dislike for smoking being allowed in areas where I must be exposed to it, esppecially on my balcony. Smoke stinks, it is bad for you, and it is rude of you to force me to have to breath it. I pay alot of money for the suites I stay in and the last thing I want to do is breath or smell your second hand smoke. I have read your comments before and thought they were generally OK, but you were in fact rude in what you wrote.

You should at least be honest enough to admit that the cruise lines have uniformly done a poor job of addressing smoking vs. non-smoking cruisers. There are common sense solutions to these problems such as designating areas, specific cabin locations, etc. that could be applied to make this a more manageable situation. They have chosen not to deal with these sitautions and so as smoking becomes more and more in the minority, those of us who have had enough are gradually forcing you away from us. :cool:

[cello56]

[quote name='charmay']
When i was on my last cruise i was made to feel very uncomfortable by a man moaning next door about the smell of smoke.
Now think about it. I was feeling bad about something i was well entitled to be doing?
I was allowed to smoke there, but had to put up with loud sarcastic remarks the whole trip.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry that you felt badly, but please look at it from the guy next doors point of view - your smoking was ruining his balcony experience. Yes, I know, it is allowed, but nevertheless, your behavior was causing a negative effect on another passenger. Could you not have checked to see if they were on their balcony before you lit up? I know, you were allowed, it was your right. I get it. But I don't have to be happy about it. Nor do I have to change cruise lines. I will just keep on complaining and writing to RCI until hopefully one day they listen and make changes. Because you see, that is my right.

[Cigar King]

[quote name='bbbearden']You seem to be assuming that there are cruises of equal quality, equivlant price, and the same itinerary always available. That is not always the case. No one is choosing to allow themselves to be exposed to second hand smoke, but we are sometimes forced against our will to endure it in order to achieve our ultimate vacation goals. [/quote]

Forced...against your will. Really? Adam showed up at your house and threatened to kill your African Violet if you didn't cruise with Royal? Please. You have choice, in the end you decided the benefits of cruising with Royal outweigh the negatives. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You are choosing to cruise with Royal despite their smoking policy.

[quote name='bbbearden']
Secondly, you seem to be indicating that by electing to cruise on a line that allows this behavior that we as paying guests give up the right to voice our opinon. [/quote]

I think I'm suggesting complaining in a public forum is not terribly useful, and if you really want to make an impact choose another line and let Royal know about it. Money talks.

[charmay]

[quote name='cello56']I am sorry that you felt badly, but please look at it from the guy next doors point of view - your smoking was ruining his balcony experience. Yes, I know, it is allowed, but nevertheless, your behavior was causing a negative effect on another passenger. Could you not have checked to see if they were on their balcony before you lit up? I know, you were allowed, it was your right. I get it. But I don't have to be happy about it. Nor do I have to change cruise lines. I will just keep on complaining and writing to RCI until hopefully one day they listen and make changes. Because you see, that is my right.[/QUOTE]
It is your right,freedom of speech is everyone's entitlement
I did look.He always came after i sat down.
I dont agree with what your saying.
My personal experience on my balcony was having a cig,his wasnt?
What makes him more entitled then me?
'He booked knowing he could be next to a smoker'.
I booked in the knowledge i could smoke.
Like i said a particular place/side for smoking balconies would be better.
And for the record when the wind was right his B.O made me gag lol.

[postmeome]

[quote name='charmay']It is your right,freedom of speech is everyone's entitlement
I did look.He always came after i sat down.
I dont agree with what your saying.
My personal experience on my balcony was having a cig,his wasnt?
What makes him more entitled then me?
'He booked knowing he could be next to a smoker'.
I booked in the knowledge i could smoke.
Like i said a particular place/side for smoking balconies would be better.
And for the record when the wind was right his B.O made me gag lol.[/quote]
on that note,i'm goin for a pint
anyone? can't be my shout again:(

[pseudoware]

[quote name='madelinerose']Yes, and I applaud this, however [B]right now, today, at this very moment, RCI [SIZE=3]allows[/SIZE] smoking[/B]. If you cruise on RCI today, you will be subjected to people smoking. ;)[/quote]

I understand and accept this. I've booked a balcony on RCI knowing full well there's a chance a smoker could be in the next cabin, and his/her smoke can make its way into our breathing space. I won't berate or be rude to him or her for that. Over time, however, there will be more balconies on more ships where non-smokers won't have to concern themselves with this. How soon, I don't know, but it will happen.