CCL advance tipping policy is hogwash

[H82seaUgo]

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Originally Posted by H82seaUgo

this is why i will pay in cash. i decide what that employee gets paid, no one else. if the line wants to hold back their base pay, that's for the line to do and suffer the consequences.

 

but they will NOT have access to my tips.

 

I know you are one who says they always remove tips. Its your choice of course.

 

I know you and I feel equally strongly about what we do .. both sides of the same issue. ...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

It does me no good to block the Presidents of the Pot-Stirrers when yall continue to post his propaganda......:)...Thanks Fire.....:)..Dennis

 

most everything i post gets quoted, so you will see it one way or the other.

 

someone please quote this for my pal dennins?

[boo214]

whos ae are you:eek:

 

 

Your room steward gets $20 bucks........ So you are shorting him for the weeks work congrats:rolleyes:

ae?

[jonbgd]

ae?

Alter Ego

i think some posters create extra screen names to stir the pot or because they are being blocked.

I think there is one that posts alot on CC that has several just to validate his opinions:rolleyes:

[boo214]

Alter Ego

i think some posters create extra screen names to stir the pot or because they are being blocked.

I think there is one that posts alot on CC that has several just to validate his opinions:rolleyes:

thanks. i figured it was something like that

[FloridaGram]

First let me say that I always tip, I leave the auto tip and tip extra. On my last cruise in May we had a good relationship with our room steward and he seemed to like to talk to us. We would end up saying we needed to let him go because he had a lot of work to do but he would keep talking.

 

After this contract he was going to have enough money to build a house and start a business in the Philippines. He has been working for 6 years on the ships. I asked him how many rooms he had. I expected 5 or 6, he had 15! So I did the math when I got home based on 2 per room he would have made $777 that week, but we had 3 rooms of 4 so I know he got paid over $900 that week, assuming everyone at least tipped the minimum. Our 3 rooms gave more.

 

When you consider how much they work, I figured 15 hours a day, and divide $900 by 105 hours a week that is $8.50 an hour. Not much by American standards buy by the standards in their country it is pretty good pay. Especially since there are minimal living expenses out of that. I believe they have to pay for their own laundry and maybe some other hidden charges.

 

In no way do I say all this to minimize them as workers. They work hard for their money and they earn every penny they get. Some people actually do not pay and I think that is horrible. I was fascinated to find this out though, I always thought they were severely underpaid. They are in some ways, considering Americans in my area charge $30 an hour to clean your house, but they are not as underpaid as some seem to think.

 

I do encourage EVERYONE to tip as requested. The behind the scenes workers work just as hard to make sure we all have an enjoyable vacation, we just may not see what they do.

[H82seaUgo]

First let me say that I always tip, I leave the auto tip and tip extra. On my last cruise in May we had a good relationship with our room steward and he seemed to like to talk to us. We would end up saying we needed to let him go because he had a lot of work to do but he would keep talking.

 

After this contract he was going to have enough money to build a house and start a business in the Philippines. He has been working for 6 years on the ships. I asked him how many rooms he had. I expected 5 or 6, he had 15! So I did the math when I got home based on 2 per room he would have made $777 that week, but we had 3 rooms of 4 so I know he got paid over $900 that week, assuming everyone at least tipped the minimum. Our 3 rooms gave more.

 

When you consider how much they work, I figured 15 hours a day, and divide $900 by 105 hours a week that is $8.50 an hour. Not much by American standards buy by the standards in their country it is pretty good pay. Especially since there are minimal living expenses out of that. I believe they have to pay for their own laundry and maybe some other hidden charges.

 

In no way do I say all this to minimize them as workers. They work hard for their money and they earn every penny they get. Some people actually do not pay and I think that is horrible. I was fascinated to find this out though, I always thought they were severely underpaid. They are in some ways, considering Americans in my area charge $30 an hour to clean your house, but they are not as underpaid as some seem to think.

 

I do encourage EVERYONE to tip as requested. The behind the scenes workers work just as hard to make sure we all have an enjoyable vacation, we just may not see what they do.

 

i don't believe they work 15 hours a day. is this a fact, or a guess?

[jonbgd]

i don't believe they work 15 hours a day. is this a fact, or a guess?

I think room stewards work about 9 hours a day

[Amy Giard]

are you joking? these are not service industry positions. they are full salaried positions.

 

service industry positions are those that are paid below scale, and are augmented by tips.

 

cooks, dish washers and laundry washers are laughing right now. you won't see tip mentioned once in their salary plan for employment.

 

and more to your point, these people's salary come out of something called my fare, not tips.

 

You ignorance is REALLY showing here, H82seaUgo!

 

Your definition of "service industry" is very myopic and, well just flat out wrong.

 

Unless you are a farmer, in manufacturing or in mining chances are you work in a service industry.

 

So mark this date down as the first time in your life you were wrong. So much for Mr. Perfect.:p

[scperk]

First let me say that I always tip, I leave the auto tip and tip extra. On my last cruise in May we had a good relationship with our room steward and he seemed to like to talk to us. We would end up saying we needed to let him go because he had a lot of work to do but he would keep talking.

 

After this contract he was going to have enough money to build a house and start a business in the Philippines. He has been working for 6 years on the ships. I asked him how many rooms he had. I expected 5 or 6, he had 15! So I did the math when I got home based on 2 per room he would have made $777 that week, but we had 3 rooms of 4 so I know he got paid over $900 that week, assuming everyone at least tipped the minimum. Our 3 rooms gave more.

 

When you consider how much they work, I figured 15 hours a day, and divide $900 by 105 hours a week that is $8.50 an hour. Not much by American standards buy by the standards in their country it is pretty good pay. Especially since there are minimal living expenses out of that. I believe they have to pay for their own laundry and maybe some other hidden charges.

 

In no way do I say all this to minimize them as workers. They work hard for their money and they earn every penny they get. Some people actually do not pay and I think that is horrible. I was fascinated to find this out though, I always thought they were severely underpaid. They are in some ways, considering Americans in my area charge $30 an hour to clean your house, but they are not as underpaid as some seem to think.

 

I do encourage EVERYONE to tip as requested. The behind the scenes workers work just as hard to make sure we all have an enjoyable vacation, we just may not see what they do.

Very nice post and we have always had a great room steward...And I always tip extra .......:)....Dennis

[Holders3]

i don't believe they work 15 hours a day. is this a fact, or a guess?

 

From former cruise worker interview:

 

http://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=1059

 

 

"Cruise Critic: We know cruise ship crew work extremely hard, but what are the hours like for a crewmember working in the restaurant, and what did the job entail?

Brian David Bruns: During the training phase, the first month, we were working a minimum of 12 hours a day, plus homework ... seven days a week. So it would average 14 to 15 hours a day, break for lunch, break for shower, but even on our breaks, we were constantly studying. This schedule was done intentionally because the line wants you to know right away how tough it is. They want to weed folks out who won't be able to handle it.

 

Once you're officially working on the ship, regular shifts are three shifts a day, seven days a week, 80-plus hours a week, with no days off for eight months. There's not a set schedule because every itinerary is different, but on a regular weekly sailing, you're going to work breakfast, lunch and dinner -- with probably a lunch off. On some ships, every other week you'd get two of those lunches off. That, of course, is all you get, ever. When I worked on Carnival Legend, which did eight-day cruises, I would have one lunch off every eight days. That's it. NOT a happy time.

 

When I was there, they didn't have time clocks (they actually added them right after I left). Technically, my shift could have been summed up as 10 hours a day. Realistically, you have to come in an hour before meals to make sure no one steals your silverware [more on that below], polish everything, fold napkins, etc. Then after meals, everyone had a side-job -- which were supposed to be equal. Collecting salad tongs from every waiter would take maybe 10 minutes. An "equal" side-job, like cleaning the escalators [which connect the galley to the dining room] would take far, far longer, what with the required power washing and mopping. Management would use that as a punishment for people they didn't like -- and those things are off the books, off the "time clock."

[katiel53]

 

the higher amount mentioned previously, I presume is the amount for suites. With that comes the concierge lounge, someone who will book all your shows and whatever else you want, steak house etc.. plus it includes free mixed drinks for about 3 1/2 hours each night. If you drink at all the mixed drinks are worth the extra tipping? On smaller ships they mix in the diamond plus and above with the suite people.. on some ships it is a separate lounge. Their cabin key opens the door to the concierge lounge to get in to their own private bar tender. I think its a nice perk, free mixed drinks.

 

I just want to let you know the extra small tip daily for suites has nothing to do with the Concierge Lounge. It has to do with the fact that suites are larger and usually more work. If someone uses the CL, a tip to the Concierge is expected, just as those using the DIamond Lounge or the "nightly event" for Diamonds and above on ships with no DL are expected to tip for using that service.

 

 

Let's make it simple for the sheep. The sheep will meekly pay the autotip which amounts to $161 per couple on a 7 nighter. The wise cruisers, like us, will cancel the tips and pay them out in cash to the deserving service providers. Let's see how this might work.

 

1) First day the room attendant gets $20 shoved in his/her hand(can't you just picture the grin of appreciation?)

2) Our favorite bartender at our favorite bar gets $20 also up front to look after us for the cruise

3) $40 gets spread out to the dining room wait staff first night

4) A few fivers get given out to the pool waiters for good service(let's say a total of $20

5) A few fivers get spread out to the casino waiters for good service(let's say another $20)

 

That brings our tip total to $120 leaving at least another $40 to hand out to other deserving crew members. Now who do you think is going to have better service during the cruise? Us or the mindless sheep who blindly go along with CCL and hope their auto tips get distributed as advertised. Come on people........wake up and smell the coffee!!

 

I think you are the one who needs to wake up. You act like Mr. Gotbucks and then stiff the staff! You must be really proud of yourself. I'd rather be one who gives the staff the suggested amount or more, than be the cheapskate like you appear to be. Mr. Blowhard is how I see you. But, then again, I am one of the mindless sheep according to you.

[tommycanuck]

I just want to let you know the extra small tip daily for suites has nothing to do with the Concierge Lounge. It has to do with the fact that suites are larger and usually more work. If someone uses the CL, a tip to the Concierge is expected, just as those using the DIamond Lounge or the "nightly event" for Diamonds and above on ships with no DL are expected to tip for using that service.

 

 

 

 

I think you are the one who needs to wake up. You act like Mr. Gotbucks and then stiff the staff! You must be really proud of yourself. I'd rather be one who gives the staff the suggested amount or more, than be the cheapskate like you appear to be. Mr. Blowhard is how I see you. But, then again, I am one of the mindless sheep according to you.

 

When I tip(generously) I want to make sure the money is placed directly in the hands of those who deserve it. When you blindly hand over your so called tip money to CCL who knows what happens to it. Maybe it all gets distributed as advertised, maybe not.

[Cushing985]

I think tipping threads are a crack up. Gawd! Do some of you people perform analysis when you go out to dinner at home? Do you have little ledgers when you cruise to account for every penny you spend?

 

Just pay the pre-tips and tip (if you want) more along the way if you so desire. Those of you who pull their tips at the first opportunity and claim they pay in cash are fooling themselves and no one else.

 

Finally, there is so much energy in trying to find out how much the workers are paid. It really is none of our business. If you think it is please let us know how much you're paid so we're all in the know.

[Kitallea]

When I tip(generously) I want to make sure the money is placed directly in the hands of those who deserve it. When you blindly hand over your so called tip money to CCL who knows what happens to it. Maybe it all gets distributed as advertised, maybe not.

 

So you head on down to the kitchen to see the dishwasher and the Laundry to see those that wash your linen then do you?

 

Oh but hang on they can't dance around making you feel wonderful for being such a generous person can they as they are somewhere out of sight so no of course they don't deserve it.

[boo214]

i don't believe they work 15 hours a day. is this a fact, or a guess?

how many hours a day do you say they work?

[lady_cruiser]

Let's call it for what it is. Just another form of boosting fares with a cash grab, similar to the resort fees some hotels are starting to charge. Carnival should be paying their staff a living wage and not relying on passengers to augment their income.

 

Next cruise, I am going to cancel the tips and reward the deserving staff directly. Now some of you are going to howl "what about the dishwashers and other crew members you don't come in contact with". That's just my point. If we all stopped rewarding Carnival for paying starvation wages, they would soon change. Tips should be given out in recognition for outstanding service not as a wage supplement. I've had enough of it!

Here we go again...

[H82seaUgo]

how many hours a day do you say they work?

 

don't know. that's why i asked as i was simply curious about the guzintas.. but ultimately, i don't care.

 

never think about that at a restaurant either. wouldn't even know how to even ask that questiion. seems quite silly.

[zenful6219]

Let's call it for what it is. Just another form of boosting fares with a cash grab, similar to the resort fees some hotels are starting to charge. Carnival should be paying their staff a living wage and not relying on passengers to augment their income.

 

 

It is not a way of boosting fares. In fact, it's the opposite. Carnival could raise fares in order to pay their staff better wages, but they are afraid that increased fares will make them less competitive. However, this is not unique to Carnival.

[Donray]

There are a bunch of cheapskates that need to justify why they are cheapskates.

If you don't tip you are a cheapskate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[H82seaUgo]

There are a bunch of cheapskates that need to justify why they are cheapskates.

If you don't tip you are a cheapskate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

did i miss the post where someine said they didn't tip? :confused:

[Donray]

If you believe 100% of the auto tips are going to the staff then I've got a ponzi scheme to talk to you about. Guarantee a lot of that money is finding its way to CCL's general expense accounts. I'd much rather tip cash and put it right where it belongs...in the hands of those staff who go above and beyond to make my holiday enjoyable.

 

Why don't you prove what you write?

Why do you feel the need to lie to justify you being cheap?

[crusinpsychRN]

Passangers pay 100% of staff salary no matter how you slice it.

 

I wonder what minor slight you are going to use as an excuse not to tip at all.

 

He forgot his envelopes...

[andrzej5914]

Does a dish washer in a restaurant back home get tips? I think not.

 

 

You are wrong.

 

In my days as a bartender, I did tip out the bar backs (restocking, ice filling, etc.) security staff and anybody else that helped me run a quick and efficient business throughout the night.

 

I gave out ~40% of my tips to my helpers. Granted that our owner was good to us and I did receive a fair wage and since I worked full time I also received benefits (profit sharing, fair medical coverage, etc). The other employees did not since they were part time.

[tommycanuck]

Why don't you prove what you write?

 

Why do you feel the need to lie to justify you being cheap?

OK, you win. I retract my statement and agree with you that 100% of the autotip is going directly to the employees. There........feel better?

[boo214]

So you head on down to the kitchen to see the dishwasher and the Laundry to see those that wash your linen then do you?

 

Oh but hang on they can't dance around making you feel wonderful for being such a generous person can they as they are somewhere out of sight so no of course they don't deserve it.

I dont think that the dishwasher and launderers are included in the tips. I do think its highly likely that they are tipped out by the waiters and room stewards though.