Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[kylenyc]

Thanks for the links. FYI, Brent Nutt is not a CC contributor, but has been quoted on several media outlets and in this thread.

Oh I thought the guy quoted "Brent Nutt" was the same guy posting in this thread as "NUTT". :o

 

Out of interest and because so many have wondered why Mobile instead of Galveston, I did up a quick map based on my reading https://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?msid=213696368617390101258.0004d5939e253a35dfa80&msa=0&ll=26.450902,-88.967285&spn=17.067219,18.391113 I'm sure it's not accurate but it does provide some idea of the geometry.

 

Nice. I was looking for something like that.

 

Compare/Overlay your map to the NOAA maps... which as a layman I read as a current easterly gulf current of 1 to 2 knots combined with a northerly wind of a whopping 16 to 20 knots, it leads them right to ... Mobile?

 

NOAA - Gulf of Mexico horizontal surface currents

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/viewer.shtml?-gulfmex-cur-0-large-rundate=latest

 

NOAA - Gulf of Mexico wind speed and direction forecast

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/waves/viewer.shtml?-multi_1-latest-gmex-u10-

[happy traveler69]

I have to say that all of you guys are funny! I haven't chuckled like this since.... forever! I love it!

I'll say that carnival pulled the sensation out of service for those affected by Katrina. that was a good move and applaud them for it. I guess there are rules that would prevent them from (not pulling a ship out if service to assist) but the transfer of passengers to an empty ship. so I'll have to go with that. if the reports are true that there are working toilets and usable water to parts of the ship, then that's good.

not the most popular opinion, but I would have ZERO expectation that the captain of all people don't have the basic necessities. I wouldn't want him making major decisions on MY safety if he's just as miserable and not in right mind frame as I might be. not that I want him eating steak on china every night, though!

I am a child protective services investigator supervisor in a major city. if children are found to be living in conditions that are indeed described as those on the ship, then we have a responsibility to remove them from that setting, irregardless of the intention to have them there or not. it's unacceptable! so, I say, is good day at work better than your worst day on vacation? I'll take work any day of the week and twice on Sunday. no amount of compensation would be worth me staying in conditions that I move kids out from.

keep up the posts!

[broberts]

Is it possible to redraw based on a start point equidistant between Progreso and Mobile? That's what was cited when the decision was made.

 

I've put that plot in yellow.

[Rasvar]

I have to say that all of you guys are funny! I haven't chuckled like this since.... forever! I love it!

I'll say that carnival pulled the sensation out of service for those affected by Katrina. that was a good move and applaud them for it. I guess there are rules that would prevent them from (not pulling a ship out if service to assist) but the transfer of passengers to an empty ship. so I'll have to go with that. if the reports are true that there are working toilets and usable water to parts of the ship, then that's good.

not the most popular opinion, but I would have ZERO expectation that the captain of all people don't have the basic necessities. I wouldn't want him making major decisions on MY safety if he's just as miserable and not in right mind frame as I might be. not that I want him eating steak on china every night, though!

I am a child protective services investigator supervisor in a major city. if children are found to be living in conditions that are indeed described as those on the ship, then we have a responsibility to remove them from that setting, irregardless of the intention to have them there or not. it's unacceptable! so, I say, is good day at work better than your worst day on vacation? I'll take work any day of the week and twice on Sunday. no amount of compensation would be worth me staying in conditions that I move kids out from.

keep up the posts!

 

Carnival was also paid by FEMA to do it. So it was not completely altruistic.

[berryberry]

Hopefully some passengers saved some battery life in their cameras and phones to be able to record the conditions over the next couple days.

 

I am sure youtube will be filled with video's of this debacle. Defecating in bags, meatless sandwiches, 5 working toilets for over 4000 passengers and crew. Really inhumane conditions. I feel sorry for those poor folks onboard

[Rasvar]

I've put that plot in yellow.

 

The also would have pulling against the current to go back to Mexico. I think that Mobile was the best of all options. You might have save six to 8 hours going to Mexico but the path back home after that was going to be much longer. Yes, it works out for Carnival but I do think it is the best option for the pax too. Sometimes it works out that way.

[MarkBearSF]

I have to say that all of you guys are funny! I haven't chuckled like this since.... forever! I love it!

I'll say that carnival pulled the sensation out of service for those affected by Katrina. that was a good move and applaud them for it. I guess there are rules that would prevent them from (not pulling a ship out if service to assist) but the transfer of passengers to an empty ship. so I'll have to go with that. if the reports are true that there are working toilets and usable water to parts of the ship, then that's good...

keep up the posts!

 

Also, after Katrina. the ships ported in that area had cruises cancelled - and they had some number of weeks to shuffle things around.

[BeagleOne]

Thanks for the links to the maps! :) Very useful information.

 

Also thanks for the information on the Galveston ship channel, I was pretty sure Mobile would be a fairly "straight shot" but didn't know anything about Galveston.

[berryberry]

I saw that piece on CNN too. There is a lot of misrepresentation in the media (surprise!) of this incident. The fact of the matter is they have had power to certain areas of the ship, and toilets in the majority of the ship are operational. Nobody is pooping in bags and buckets and no one is starving. Are they eating fillet mignon? No but they are not starving.

 

I feel sorry for them seeing that their vacation was ruined, but some people need to get a grip, things could be ALOT worse. I mean come on, the bars are free and flowing and they get a few extra days on their cruise, beats any day at work!:rolleyes:

 

You must really hate your job to say that.

 

A lot worse ????? Yes, it is so pleasant to have to poop in a bag and have urine and sewage in the halls, all while getting very limited food and drink.

 

There were SEVEN independent reports here yesterday that the toilets had been not working for over 36 hours. We have not heard from anyone onboard since. But I guess that beats any day at work in your eyes

[berryberry]

Just read an article out of LA, quoting the commander of the Coast Guard boat escorting the Triumph say transporting passengers off is too dangerous, the ship has been listing to one side as waves crash upon the hull. The Captain of Triumph has not requested they have to board.

When does listing become dangerous on a ship with no power? At best, many will be seasick no doubt?

 

I hope some Carnival apologists who were arguing with me yesterday saw that quote that the Coast Guard has not boarded the ship - just as I noted

[Crowseph]

I had a reservation (early saver so non-refundable deposit) on the Triumph for a mid-March cruise. At lunch today, I contacted Carnival to see what my options were. The agent said I had 3 options:

 

1. Keep the reservation, and either hope the ship will be available or get what they offer if/when it's cancelled.

2. Cancel the reservation without any penalties.

3. Transfer the reservation to another Carnival cruise without any penalties.

 

After speaking with the family, we decided to go with the third option. I spoke to another agent this evening, and my family will be going on the Magic one day later, 2 days longer and an extra $750 out of my pocket.

 

If anyone goes this route, have the agent cancel your current reservation while you book your new one online at the same time; it was the first one from this situation she had done, and after 45 minutes we concluded that this was the easiest procedure.

 

Also, as someone that has worked in the home remediation business, black water (sewage) cleanup is not quick and simple. In fact, after 24 hours of exposure everything must be removed and replaced. That includes all carpeting, porous tiles, wood, drywall, etc. So if there really are toilets overflowing and running down the walls, then this boat is going to have to be gutted.

[sanmarcosman]

Originally Posted by broberts

"The USCG is a proud and honorable branch of the US military. I find near libelous comments about their service in very poor taste."

 

Actually the USCG is not a branch of the US military per se, it is part of the US Department of Homeland Security but can operate under the DOD and Department of the Navy when ordered by the President. The current head of the USCG is Janet Napolitano.

[Keurigirl]

My heart just goes out to those passengers on this ship!! I cannot imagine what they must be going through. I would be LIVID if I had sailed on this ship with my children! It's enough to do this as an adult, but then to figure out how to keep a very young kid happy/entertained/somewhat clean? OMG.

 

Those poor people.

[broberts]

Originally Posted by broberts

"The USCG is a proud and honorable branch of the US military. I find near libelous comments about their service in very poor taste."

 

Actually the USCG is not a branch of the US military per se, it is part of the US Department of Homeland Security but can operate under the DOD and Department of the Navy when ordered by the President. The current head of the USCG is Janet Napolitano.

 

I stand corrected. From their web site "The U.S. Coast Guard is one of the five armed forces of the United States and the only military organization within the Department of Homeland Security."

[Cruise Dragon]

From Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard>

 

The United States Coast Guard (USCG) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces and one of the seven U.S. uniformed services.

 

........ snip

 

Originally Posted by broberts

"The USCG is a proud and honorable branch of the US military. I find near libelous comments about their service in very poor taste."

 

Actually the USCG is not a branch of the US military per se, it is part of the US Department of Homeland Security but can operate under the DOD and Department of the Navy when ordered by the President. The current head of the USCG is Janet Napolitano.

[BringMeThatHorizon]

I had a reservation (early saver so non-refundable deposit) on the Triumph for a mid-March cruise. At lunch today, I contacted Carnival to see what my options were. The agent said I had 3 options:

 

1. Keep the reservation, and either hope the ship will be available or get what they offer if/when it's cancelled.

2. Cancel the reservation without any penalties.

3. Transfer the reservation to another Carnival cruise without any penalties.

 

After speaking with the family, we decided to go with the third option. I spoke to another agent this evening, and my family will be going on the Magic one day later, 2 days longer and an extra $750 out of my pocket.

 

If anyone goes this route, have the agent cancel your current reservation while you book your new one online at the same time; it was the first one from this situation she had done, and after 45 minutes we concluded that this was the easiest procedure.

 

Also, as someone that has worked in the home remediation business, black water (sewage) cleanup is not quick and simple. In fact, after 24 hours of exposure everything must be removed and replaced. That includes all carpeting, porous tiles, wood, drywall, etc. So if there really are toilets overflowing and running down the walls, then this boat is going to have to be gutted.

 

Crowseph, thanks for the info. What day was your sailing? I am currently booked for March 30th and Carnival refuses to budge an inch. They won't even let me transfer to the Magic on the 31st.

 

It seems possible that Carnival did the minimum to 'fix' engine problems on several previous Triumph cruises. Whether the engines are running by March 30th or not, I won't be able to enjoy myself while wondering what Carnival thought the acceptable minimum was on cleaning up the sanitation problems we are hearing about. I doubt it will consist of gutting the whole ship, even if that is what should be done.

[Crowseph]

Crowseph, thanks for the info. What day was your sailing? I am currently booked for March 30th and Carnival refuses to budge an inch. They won't even let me transfer to the Magic on the 31st.

 

It seems possible that Carnival did the minimum to 'fix' engine problems on several previous Triumph cruises. Whether the engines are running by March 30th or not, I won't be able to enjoy myself while wondering what Carnival thought the acceptable minimum was on cleaning up the sanitation problems we are hearing about. I doubt it will consist of gutting the whole ship, even if that is what should be done.

 

We were scheduled on the Triumph for the 16-21. Now on the Magic for the 17-24.

 

I'm not sure when you checked on transferring, but I did notice that sometime this afternoon/evening they removed all of Triumph's cruises to April 18 (was March 21st when I called at lunch).

[RRLLAL]

I have to say that all of you guys are funny! I haven't chuckled like this since.... forever! I love it!

I'll say that carnival pulled the sensation out of service for those affected by Katrina. that was a good move and applaud them for it. I guess there are rules that would prevent them from (not pulling a ship out if service to assist) but the transfer of passengers to an empty ship. so I'll have to go with that. if the reports are true that there are working toilets and usable water to parts of the ship, then that's good.

not the most popular opinion, but I would have ZERO expectation that the captain of all people don't have the basic necessities. I wouldn't want him making major decisions on MY safety if he's just as miserable and not in right mind frame as I might be. not that I want him eating steak on china every night, though!

I am a child protective services investigator supervisor in a major city. if children are found to be living in conditions that are indeed described as those on the ship, then we have a responsibility to remove them from that setting, irregardless of the intention to have them there or not. it's unacceptable! so, I say, is good day at work better than your worst day on vacation? I'll take work any day of the week and twice on Sunday. no amount of compensation would be worth me staying in conditions that I move kids out from.

keep up the posts!

 

 

Apples and oranges. During Katrina they weren't transferring people from 1 ship to another in the ocean which is described by the coast guard as a dangerous operation.

 

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[Emilija]

I am curious and maybe someone can tell me....Why didn't they send another ship out there when it first happened to get those people off the ship???:confused:

 

 

From what I've read, even a company as large as Carnival doesn't have an empty/spare ship, somewhere.

 

No cruiseline would cancel another cruise to rescue passengers from a stalled ship. If they did, it would mean having to pay compensation to a second group.

[mikjr]

I stand corrected. From their web site "The U.S. Coast Guard is one of the five armed forces of the United States and the only military organization within the Department of Homeland Security."

 

During WWII... my dad was in the Coast Guard and of course there was no Homeland Security agency at that time.

 

His ship served proudly during the Guadalcanal Offensive as a troop transport ship, even taking fire from the enemy. And as far as I know, they are recognized as one of the five armed services. He had a military burial this past May at the National Cemetery in Riverside, CA.

[gnocchi_mommy]

Originally Posted by broberts

"The USCG is a proud and honorable branch of the US military. I find near libelous comments about their service in very poor taste."

 

Actually the USCG is not a branch of the US military per se, it is part of the US Department of Homeland Security but can operate under the DOD and Department of the Navy when ordered by the President. The current head of the USCG is Janet Napolitano.

 

Actually it IS always a branch of the military, and does not operate under the Navy except in very extreme circumstances (the last was Vietnam)

 

The US Code spells it out-

 

14 USC 1

The Coast Guard, established January 28, 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times.

[gnocchi_mommy]

During WWII... my dad was in the Coast Guard and of course there was no Homeland Security agency at that time.

 

His ship served proudly during the Guadalcanal Offensive as a troop transport ship, even taking fire from the enemy. And as far as I know, they are recognized as one of the five armed services. He had a military burial this past May at the National Cemetery in Riverside, CA.

 

You are correct :-)

 

I have a DD214 like any veteran of any military branch, my husband and son both carry military active duty ID cards and I carry a military dependent ID card, we are paid according to military pay scale, receive our health care at military hospitals, etc.

 

According to US code- 14 USC 1 the USCG is a brach of the military of all times.

 

I am very impressed your father was at Guadalcanal! USCG signalman Douglas Munro was also there and he received the Congressional Medal Of Honor after saving a platoon of US Marines. It is a very important part of USCG history that they still teach cadets and recruits today, bravo zulu to your father!

[gnocchi_mommy]

The USCG is a proud and honorable branch of the US military. I find near libelous comments about their service in very poor taste.

 

Thank you sir! The USCG is not a fuzzy grey entity, it is comprised of thousands of brave men and women who go to work every day and every night of the year to keep mariners safe at sea and Americans safer at home. They put their lives on the line each and every day (in fact, ironic this Triumph nightmare is about to end in Mobile and we have this discussion now, we are about to observe the one year anniversary of a terrible CG tragedy in the waters off Mobile- http://blog.al.com/live/2012/03/coast_guard_helicopter_crash_c.html ) The CG is not for sale.

[sanmarcosman]

Thank you sir! The USCG is not a fuzzy grey entity, it is comprised of thousands of brave men and women who go to work every day and every night of the year to keep mariners safe at sea and Americans safer at home. They put their lives on the line each and every day (in fact, ironic this Triumph nightmare is about to end in Mobile and we have this discussion now, we are about to observe the one year anniversary of a terrible CG tragedy in the waters off Mobile- http://blog.al.com/live/2012/03/coast_guard_helicopter_crash_c.html ) The CG is not for sale.

 

No disrespect is intended, my dad was an O-6 in the Navy Medical Corps (that's a full bird Captain for those who don't know.)

 

Prior to 9/11 the USCG was a division of the US Department of Transportation. Of course the men and women of the USCG are members of the US Armed Forces and their current Command Chair is Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Homeland Security. THE USCG does not fall under the purview of the The Secretary of Defense. Look it up please without cherry picking the facts on Wiki or whatever reliable source you choose to research.

[MrPete]

How would you get from one ship to the other? MR Pete?

 

 

Same as the Titanic to the Carpathia, without the delay.

 

Or the Concordia way. SWAM, using FTTF.

 

BTW, I'm beginning to believe that if Cruise Critic existed in 1912, some people would be posting and rooting for White Star after that ship sank.