Legal Aspect of Smoking on Cruiseship?

[em-sk]

The other factor is in Canada there are different rules for provincially regulated industries from federally regulated industries.

 

Federal occupational safety rules apply to airlines, ships, trucking companies, bus lines, railways ect. that do or can operate in more than one province.

 

I would be surprised if a provincial or city inspector would ever come near a cruise ship. A Transport Canada inspector is a different story.

 

The US has a similar distinction does it not?

Edited February 27, 2014 by em-sk

[em-sk]

Google found something interesting

 

Health Canada (Federal Agency responsible for public health) does random safety inspections of Cruise Ships when in Canadian waters....

 

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/travel-voyage/general/ship-navire-eng.php

 

Different NCL ships are listed under Norweigen Cruise Line Ltd. and Norweigen Cruise Lines. Looks like they ok, but are slipping a bit in the last year or two.

 

http://207.6.98.232/clients/hc-sc/whpsp/whpsp_phb_website.nsf/Ship-CityList?OpenView&Count=1000

[Crusin6]

Not open. The common area is open.

 

So would one be able to just stand there and smoke anyway?

[LMaxwell]

There are 4 that I know of at this moment, but one will be restricting it as of next month on their balconies.

 

So to my knowledge there are still 3. So lots of other lines that people can choose if this bothers them.

 

NCL, Carnival, HAL - Who is the 4th mass market line; or I should ask, who is the one with new restrictions? Any cruise line restricting balcony smoking instantly gets added to the possible future balcony booking list.

[che5904]

So would one be able to just stand there and smoke anyway?

 

Apparently people do. Anytime I've been by the casino when it's been closed, it has been completely empty except just before it's ready to open up. People have been sitting at their machines ready and I'm sure some are smoking then.

[kjbacon]

The casino served as a smoking lounge on our sailing a couple weeks ago. Very few gamblers were smoking but there were always several people sitting at the window seats and smoking. And yes, smoking in the closed casino was the norm. One plus side is that it saved us a lot of money! We would only stay for short spurts because of the discomfort of the smoky environment.

[armwinder]

We always knew these kind of people smell bad, now it appears their bouquet may be killing us!!

 

https://www.lung.ca/protect-protegez/tobacco-tabagisme/second-secondaire/thirdhand-tertiaire_e.php

[4774Papa]

There are 4 that I know of at this moment, but one will be restricting it as of next month on their balconies.

 

So to my knowledge there are still 3. So lots of other lines that people can choose if this bothers them.

The trend seems to be to ban smoking on balconies. We were told by Celebrity that some cruiselines have had fires from people throwing cigarette butts off their balconies, falling other balconies with clothing, etc. starting fires.

We are aware that NCL still allows the smoking and still booked our cruise.

 

Carnival does not allow smoking on balconies, except cigars.

 

TopWhat is the smoking policy? Effective June 15, 2011, cigarette smoking in public venues will only be permitted in Carnival’s dance clubs as well as in designated areas within the casino and casino bar.

Smoking (including cigars) will be permitted in designated exterior open deck areas (starboard side) of all our ships. Additionally, smoking will also be allowed in the jazz clubs of the following ships: Carnival Destiny, Carnival Triumph, Carnival Victory, Carnival Conquest, Carnival Glory, Carnival Valor, Carnival Liberty, Carnival Freedom, and Carnival Splendor.

* All Spa Suites and Staterooms, inclusive of the balconies, are an entirely smoke-free environment. Spa suites and staterooms are on the following ships only: Carnival Splendor, Carnival Dream, Carnival Breeze and Carnival Sunshine.

* Effective December 1, 2011, smoking will be prohibited in all guest staterooms. Guests in balcony staterooms may smoke (including cigars) outside on their balcony.

Guests who smoke in their staterooms will be assessed a $250 USD cleaning and refreshing fee on their Sail & Sign account. Information on this fee is included in Carnival’s ticket contract.

Note: Electronic cigarettes or e-cigarettes are only allowed in the designated smoking areas.

 

 

HAL does allow smoking on balconies.

 

 

 

 

For the comfort of all of our guests, all staterooms (cabins), showrooms and most other indoor areas are designated non-smoking. While smoking is not permitted in staterooms, guests are allowed to smoke on stateroom verandahs. Smoking is also permitted on certain other designated, outside decks. The designated smoking areas for all ships are as follows unless otherwise noted.

 

 

• Stateroom verandahs
  
• Casino (Active players only)
  
• Seaview Bar
  
• Outside Decks
  
  • Sports Deck
    
  • Observation Deck (ms Prinsendam, ms Eurodam, ms Nieuw Amsterdam, ms Noordam, ms Oosterdam, ms Westerdam, and ms Zuiderdam only)
    

 

Cigar and pipe smoking is not allowed anywhere inside the ship; it is only permitted on the outside decks where smoking is otherwise allowed and on stateroom verandahs. Electronic cigarettes are permitted in staterooms but not in other public areas of the ship other than on outside decks designated as smoking areas.

Any guest who smokes inside staterooms in violation of our policy will be charged a US$250 cleaning fee per day of violation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Royal Caribbean Bans Smoking On Balconies

 

20 By Mike Faust on Sep 4, 2013 · Cruise News, Featured, Mike, other, Royal Caribbean

Following a recent surge in smoking bans across many other cruise lines, Royal Caribbean is the latest cruise line to ban smoking from all balconies.

Effective January 1, 2014, Royal Caribbean will ban all smoking on balconies throughout the fleet. Smoking was already banned inside all staterooms, but the new ban will designate Royal Caribbean’s accommodations as completely smoke free. Any guest found violating the new ban on smoking will be fined $250 to cover the deep clean the stateroom would have to undergo.

Smoking onboard Royal Caribbean ships is also banned in all public areas except for Casino Royale. According to Royal Caribbean, “Cigarette, cigar, e-cigarette and pipe smoking is permitted in designated outdoor areas of the starboard side of all ships; with the exception of Oasis-class ships that will allow smoking on the port side of the ships.”

Recently, Disney, Cunard, P&O banned smoking on all balconies throughout their fleets. Windstar Cruises banned smoking on certain balconies on the line’s older ships. As of now, Carnival and Norwegian are the only two remaining major cruise lines who haven’t banned smoking from their fleet’s balconies.

 

 

 

 

Royal Caribbean has stated the change in policy was “made to provide a comfortable cruise for everyone.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2013/08/20/some-cruise-lines-increase-smoking-bans/

[artist47]

Aww... C'mon. The OP asks a thought provoking question. And it's a question that maritime workplace regulators have been asking. Take a look at this:

 

http://www.ukchamberofshipping.com/media/filer/2012/10/09/03-12-12_smoking_guidelines.pdf

 

Now, I DO want know if a NCL ship is docked in a Canadian port, can Canadian laws around the quality of the SYRUP on board be enforced?

 

Hehe. Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

 

Some will no doubt answer: only if it is held to New England standards and they allow inspectors from NH, Vermont and Maine to board the ship and write reports.

[mpk218]

The trend seems to be to ban smoking on balconies. We were told by Celebrity that some cruiselines have had fires from people throwing cigarette butts off their balconies, falling other balconies with clothing, etc. starting fires.

We are aware that NCL still allows the smoking and still booked our cruise.

 

Carnival does not allow smoking on balconies, except cigars.

 

TopWhat is the smoking policy? Effective June 15, 2011, cigarette smoking in public venues will only be permitted in Carnival’s dance clubs as well as in designated areas within the casino and casino bar.

Smoking (including cigars) will be permitted in designated exterior open deck areas (starboard side) of all our ships. Additionally, smoking will also be allowed in the jazz clubs of the following ships: Carnival Destiny, Carnival Triumph, Carnival Victory, Carnival Conquest, Carnival Glory, Carnival Valor, Carnival Liberty, Carnival Freedom, and Carnival Splendor.

* All Spa Suites and Staterooms, inclusive of the balconies, are an entirely smoke-free environment. Spa suites and staterooms are on the following ships only: Carnival Splendor, Carnival Dream, Carnival Breeze and Carnival Sunshine.

* Effective December 1, 2011, smoking will be prohibited in all guest staterooms. Guests in balcony staterooms may smoke (including cigars) outside on their balcony.

Guests who smoke in their staterooms will be assessed a $250 USD cleaning and refreshing fee on their Sail & Sign account. Information on this fee is included in Carnival’s ticket contract.

Note: Electronic cigarettes or e-cigarettes are only allowed in the designated smoking areas.

 

 

HAL does allow smoking on balconies.

 

 

 

 

For the comfort of all of our guests, all staterooms (cabins), showrooms and most other indoor areas are designated non-smoking. While smoking is not permitted in staterooms, guests are allowed to smoke on stateroom verandahs. Smoking is also permitted on certain other designated, outside decks. The designated smoking areas for all ships are as follows unless otherwise noted.

 

 

Just to be clear ... ;)

[terrymtex01]

I believe there could be an argument also about it being truly a public place. A public place would indicate to me that the public could go there. However in this instance that doesn't seem to be true to me. Only those who have purchased fare to board the ship can go there. Maybe in Canada the definition might be different, or that could even vary city to city, state to state.