Salacia Posted June 12, 2014 #1 Share Posted June 12, 2014 According to reports in the local press in St Kitts, a crew member on the Valour was arrested on June 6 and charged with the rape of a passenger. http://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/2014/06/06/charged-with-rape.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted June 12, 2014 #2 Share Posted June 12, 2014 How can he be charged without an investigation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPFKAH Posted June 12, 2014 #3 Share Posted June 12, 2014 How can he be charged without an investigation? Read the last paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkNC Posted June 12, 2014 #4 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Thanks for the report! Very serious stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted June 12, 2014 #5 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I repeat, how can one be charged so fast? Even with murder investigations, a person isn't charged that fast. Brought in for questioning, but without full blown evidence, how can one be charged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPFKAH Posted June 12, 2014 #6 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I repeat, how can one be charged so fast? Even with murder investigations, a person isn't charged that fast. Brought in for questioning, but without full blown evidence, how can one be charged? Are you basing this question on US law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitality08 Posted June 12, 2014 #7 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I repeat, how can one be charged so fast? Even with murder investigations, a person isn't charged that fast. Brought in for questioning, but without full blown evidence, how can one be charged? How do you know there isn't evidence? DNA is not the only evidence in a rape case. For all we know he admitted to it which would be enough for a charge. Probable cause is all that's needed for an arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kublaieod Posted June 12, 2014 #8 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I repeat, how can one be charged so fast? Even with murder investigations, a person isn't charged that fast. Brought in for questioning, but without full blown evidence, how can one be charged? The articla has so little information it is hard to even speculate. For all we know it has been an ongoing investigation. Too much that could have happened that we do not know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted June 12, 2014 #9 Share Posted June 12, 2014 The articla has so little information it is hard to even speculate. For all we know it has been an ongoing investigation. Too much that could have happened that we do not know about. Agree. Maybe that's why it seems so strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWolver672 Posted June 12, 2014 #10 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I repeat, how can one be charged so fast? Even with murder investigations, a person isn't charged that fast. Brought in for questioning, but without full blown evidence, how can one be charged? Keep in mind that this didn't happen in the US. It happened in St.Kitts which falls under completely different laws. Not all countries are under the "Innocent until proven guilty" laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCruisers Posted June 12, 2014 #11 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Keep in mind that this didn't happen in the US. It happened in St.Kitts which falls under completely different laws. Not all countries are under the "Innocent until proven guilty" laws. This is very true. All of us need to keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie S. Posted June 12, 2014 #12 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Very few countries use the US way of innocent until proven guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfadj Posted June 12, 2014 #13 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I would think they had enough evidence to bind him over for trial or they wouldnt have arrested him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelandjoanne Posted June 12, 2014 #14 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Very few countries use the US way of innocent until proven guilty. In fact for most of the world (if you go by population) you are guilty until proven innocent. That is why when you are arrested in one of these countries it can take years to get to a trial. The trial is merely a formality in determining the sentence, so why rush. I am always amazed when tourists from western nations go to other countries and don't get this concept and end up doing something really stupid. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeing this world Posted June 13, 2014 #15 Share Posted June 13, 2014 they certainly not going to let him leave on the ship and not come back while they investigate.. A lot of the Carb. countries you need to -prove you are innocent not like Canada or USA court system where we need to prove you are guilty. Not unusual that they hold this person in the country where arrested until proven innocent. If this event happened in thier waters it is thier rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdaddyiii Posted June 13, 2014 #16 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I find it interesting that if it happened on the ship why the FBI is not investigating the offense. According to U.S and International law the FBI has jurisdiction over any crimes that occur to a U.S. Citizen aboard a ship that leaves and returns to a U.S. port. But that is me assuming that the victim is a U.S citizen. Regardless I am glad he has been taken into custody to keep anyone else from being his victim. Safe and Happy sailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacia Posted June 16, 2014 Author #17 Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) An update from the local press in St Kitts can be found here http://www.winnfm.com/news/local/8751-police-confirm-arrest-of-cruise-ship-crew-member-for-sexual-offence And here is the official press release from St Kitts Police: http://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/87678 Edited June 16, 2014 by Salacia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacia Posted June 19, 2014 Author #18 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) I find it interesting that if it happened on the ship why the FBI is not investigating the offense. According to U.S and International law the FBI has jurisdiction over any crimes that occur to a U.S. Citizen aboard a ship that leaves and returns to a U.S. port. But that is me assuming that the victim is a U.S citizen. Regardless I am glad he has been taken into custody to keep anyone else from being his victim. Safe and Happy sailing. I'm sorry, additional information regarding this alleged crime is not forthcoming from any source I have found. But according to local news reports, a Carnival Valor crew member remains in a St Kitt's jail, unable to make bail. Is the crew member innocent of crime? I don't know, anymore than I know if the alleged victim was a man, woman or child. I've found no statement from Carnival regarding this alleged crime, nor have I seen any report on Cruise Critic news - have you ? Edited June 19, 2014 by Salacia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPERBKWRITER Posted June 19, 2014 #19 Share Posted June 19, 2014 If he doesn't get arrested he gets away even if Carnival throws him off the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxChick Posted June 21, 2014 #20 Share Posted June 21, 2014 "Victim and her family" leads me to believe this was a child. A huge fear of mine when I leave my daughter in Camp Carnival. Prayers for this family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnocchi_mommy Posted June 21, 2014 #21 Share Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) I find it interesting that if it happened on the ship why the FBI is not investigating the offense. According to U.S and International law the FBI has jurisdiction over any crimes that occur to a U.S. Citizen aboard a ship that leaves and returns to a U.S. port. But that is me assuming that the victim is a U.S citizen. Regardless I am glad he has been taken into custody to keep anyone else from being his victim. Safe and Happy sailing. This could have happened in port for all we know. Further, we don't know her nationality- nor do we know if US authorities have requested he be detained. Edited June 21, 2014 by gnocchi_mommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnocchi_mommy Posted June 21, 2014 #22 Share Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) http://www.winnfm.com/news/local/8751-police-confirm-arrest-of-cruise-ship-crew-member-for-sexual-offence "A carefully worded statement issued a week after the arrest, indicates that the Police Force in collaboration with the captain and crew of the Carnival Valor Cruise Line, conducted an investigation into an allegation of a sexual offence which was committed on the ship on Friday June 6th. It says that an intense collaborative investigation took place on the vessel into the alleged sexual offence which was committed on a passenger, and lead to the formal arrest and charging of the crew member. - See more at: http://www.winnfm.com/news/local/8751-police-confirm-arrest-of-cruise-ship-crew-member-for-sexual-offence#sthash.Oi8CMLzP.dpuf" Editing to add this is why they had jurisdiction- "allegedly committed in the territorial waters of St. Kitts and Nevis." Edited June 21, 2014 by gnocchi_mommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEXASMUNK Posted June 21, 2014 #23 Share Posted June 21, 2014 One poster asked, "How can he be charged...?" Lest you forget, the ship was not in US waters...We take for granted our rights. Those rights do NOT exist outside of the USA. We all become subject to maritime law and or the laws of any one island or nation once we have sailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Honolulu Blue Posted June 21, 2014 #24 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I was on the Valor on the trip after this happened. I didn't hear anything about this either on the ship or in St. Kitts, though I wasn't actively hunting for info. I did read some details about this on another site just before I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realjd Posted June 21, 2014 #25 Share Posted June 21, 2014 they certainly not going to let him leave on the ship and not come back while they investigate.. A lot of the Carb. countries you need to -prove you are innocent not like Canada or USA court system where we need to prove you are guilty. Not unusual that they hold this person in the country where arrested until proven innocent. If this event happened in thier waters it is thier rules I'd be very surprised of innocence until proven guilty wasn't the case in any island that was a British colony, like St Kitts. Their legal system will be similar to ours and to Canada's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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