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reallyitsmema

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No overdramatic at all. Some people are severely allergic or have health issues where smoke affects breathing, so yes, it can ruin a trip in their eyes.

Exactly! I have very well controlled asthma but when I am starting to get a cold or during hayfever season, many smells can set me off. Smoke is one of my major triggers but so is perfume, aerosals and strong cleaners. Some cruises I can go in the casino, others we plan our route to avoid it. I have had to leave church when a smoker has sat in front of me and reeked of smoke, but I have also had to leave because of someone showering in perfume or cologne.

 

If I avoided going everywhere that I might encounter something that will trigger my asthma, I would never leave my house.

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Don't get me started on perfume allergy!

 

Sometimes the pungent smell of Chanel, just makes my throat feel like it has a fur ball in it.

Yep. Over powering perfume should be banned on the port side of ship, so we are still able to smell the smoke properly:D

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reallyitsmema

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I apologize...I just looked at my most recent Compasses and I was mistaken. RCI doesn't have that restriction -- it must have been on Holland America.

No worries. I had never seen that stated before and was wondering if it was a change in the guest conduct policy.

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LetsGetWet!

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From the WHO

Listed as a Carcinogenic.. This is from the WORLD governing body, not just the USA.

 

Radiation from cell phones can possibly cause cancer, according to the World Health Organization. The agency now lists mobile phone use in the same "carcinogenic hazard" category as lead, engine exhaust and chloroform.

Before its announcement Tuesday, WHO had assured consumers that no adverse health effects had been established.

A team of 31 scientists from 14 countries, including the United States, made the decision after reviewing peer-reviewed studies on cell phone safety. The team found enough evidence to categorize personal exposure as "possibly carcinogenic to humans."

What that means is they found some evidence of increase in glioma and acoustic neuroma brain cancer for mobile phone users, but have not been able to draw conclusions for other types of cancers

"The biggest problem we have is that we know most environmental factors take several decades of exposure before we really see the consequences," said Dr. Keith Black, chairman of neurology at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles.

Is your cell phone safe? Dr. Gupta explores cell phone safety How to use your cell phone safely Can ce

Sure would be nice if you would list a source. What I can find on the WHO official website does not quite agree with what you've posted. For instance, "Based on mixed epidemiological evidence on humans regarding an association between exposure to RF radiation from wireless phones and head cancers (glioma and acoustic neuroma), RF fields have been classified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer as possibly carcinogenic to humans." That doesn't match what you said that WHO themselves have "listed as a carginogenic" cell phone radiation. That word "possibly" is a LARGE qualifier.

 

Then, it WHO's conclusion (emphasis mine): "While an increased risk of brain tumours from the use of mobile phones is not established, the increasing use of mobile phones and the lack of data for mobile phone use over time periods longer than 15 years warrant further research of mobile phone use and brain cancer risk."

 

So the most alarming statement that any authoritative agency seems to make is "there is no causal relationship established but further research may be warranted."

 

WHO - What are the health risks associated with mobile phones and their base stations?

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PompeySailor

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Sure would be nice if you would list a source. What I can find on the WHO official website does not quite agree with what you've posted. For instance, "Based on mixed epidemiological evidence on humans regarding an association between exposure to RF radiation from wireless phones and head cancers (glioma and acoustic neuroma), RF fields have been classified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer as possibly carcinogenic to humans." That doesn't match what you said that WHO themselves have "listed as a carginogenic" cell phone radiation. That word "possibly" is a LARGE qualifier.

 

Then, it WHO's conclusion (emphasis mine): "While an increased risk of brain tumours from the use of mobile phones is not established, the increasing use of mobile phones and the lack of data for mobile phone use over time periods longer than 15 years warrant further research of mobile phone use and brain cancer risk."

 

So the most alarming statement that any authoritative agency seems to make is "there is no causal relationship established but further research may be warranted."

 

WHO - What are the health risks associated with mobile phones and their base stations?

 

Look harder. I hit it from the WHO website,.

 

Anyways you have your opinion, I have mine.. We could drag this on all day

Just FYI I am in my back yard by the pool having a smoke, as I am considerate to my ladies indoors. And do not smoke in my house.

A small sacrifice to make, to keep the people important to me in my life happy.

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No overdramatic at all. Some people are severely allergic or have health issues where smoke affects breathing, so yes, it can ruin a trip in their eyes.

 

Which leads back to my comment in post #116. :confused:

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LetsGetWet!

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Look harder. I hit it from the WHO website,.

 

Anyways you have your opinion, I have mine..

Sorry, but that's not the way it works. ;) I've backed up all my information with links to the official websites where its obtained - including the WHO website. I really doubt their website contradicts itself, so I'll just assume that what you posted was your own interpretation, and not what the WHO itself actually said - since you're unable or unwilling to back it up any further. Enjoy that cigar. :)

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Sorry, but that's not the way it works. ;) I've backed up all my information with links to the official websites where its obtained - including the WHO website. I really doubt their website contradicts itself, so I'll just assume that what you posted was your own interpretation, and not what the WHO itself actually said - since you're unable or unwilling to back it up any further. Enjoy that cigar. :)

 

His information was obtained from a dated press release that WHO released in 2011. As you already know, your WHO link was from 2013.

 

Are we on the same side of this issue? Who'd of thunk?

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His information was obtained from a dated press release that WHO released in 2011. As you already know, your WHO link was from 2013.

 

Are we on the same side of this issue? Who'd of thunk?

 

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs193/en/

Fact sheet 193 dated June 2011.

There you go.. Now I will go back to the pool:)

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Sorry, but that's not the way it works. ;) I've backed up all my information with links to the official websites where its obtained - including the WHO website. I really doubt their website contradicts itself, so I'll just assume that what you posted was your own interpretation, and not what the WHO itself actually said - since you're unable or unwilling to back it up any further. Enjoy that cigar. :)

 

Assumption, the mother of all evil!! Never smoked a cigar in my life:p

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Adayatatime

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Thanks for verifying that this was the fact sheet that was released to the press in 2011. More current data was posted by LetsGetWet.

 

Enjoy your afternoon.

 

There's loads of research both ways for 2014 too. It's certainly not researched to death and I personally believe there is a link (although not proven yet). Itmjust seems rational that wjphen my ear burns its not quite right :eek:

 

And staring at a four, for too long definitely affects your eyesight!

 

Going to make a cuppa.

 

Ps - just Re-read and proven my point. My brain is frazzled.

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Thanks for verifying that this was the fact sheet that was released to the press in 2011. More current data was posted by LetsGetWet.

 

Enjoy your afternoon.

No problem at all, even WHO can contradict themselves.. Proves another valid point that no one is perfect.

Happy Days

You too enjoy your afternoon:)

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There's loads of research both ways for 2014 too. It's certainly not researched to death and I personally believe there is a link (although not proven yet). Itmjust seems rational that wjphen my ear burns its not quite right :eek:

 

Sounds like a bad battery to me if your ear is getting hot.

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PompeySailor

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There's loads of research both ways for 2014 too. It's certainly not researched to death and I personally believe there is a link (although not proven yet). Itmjust seems rational that wjphen my ear burns its not quite right :eek:

 

And staring at a four, for too long definitely affects your eyesight!

 

Going to make a cuppa.

 

Ps - just Re-read and proven my point. My brain is frazzled.

 

My ears are burning too:), I best go watch the Japan v Belgium game.

But first another smoke in the back yard by the pool. Lovely day today in the 90's. And my chair is still there and also the ashtray!

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I'm not serious, although this used to happen.

 

Can you prove it with Data sheets and fact sheets please, also please provide me with links and back them up. Make sure that you are also using the most up to date research as if batteries over heating are causing issues. I want to make sure I am on the write page.:) LOL

How is Oxford these days?

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No problem at all, even WHO can contradict themselves.. Proves another valid point that no one is perfect.

Happy Days

You too enjoy your afternoon:)

 

Still irrelevant to the issue of smoking privileges. Unless it's your contention that All potentially harmful issues must be addressed simultaneously which seems a little silly. If you believe that these other things are harmful, by all means pursue it and try to get them banned. To suggest that because they are permitted that smoking is not harmful or should be permitted as well is not a logical statement.

 

Even if everyone agreed with your notion that they are harmful, you are then attempting to make an argument that two wrongs somehow make a right.

 

This really does remind me of the childhood behavior of being told something is bad, but then trying to rationalize the bad behavior by pointing out someone else behaving badly, as though that makes it ok.

 

It's like Bob Ford excusing his Crack smoking by blaming his binge drinking.

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