New Smoking Policy ruins Cruise

[Oak Hill Cruisers]

When they banned smoking in the pubs in the UK a few years ago, you would have thought that the skies would fall. Nothing happened.

 

RCI and all other lines should ban smoking outright for PAX and crew.

[Sitzmark]

When they banned smoking in the pubs in the UK a few years ago, you would have thought that the skies would fall. Nothing happened.

 

RCI and all other lines should ban smoking outright for PAX and crew.

 

 

Same thing here, they banned it in bars in town (then our entire state), everyone said the local bars would go out of business and that just over the state line business would boom. Now several years later and none of that has happened.

[Adayatatime]

When they banned smoking in the pubs in the UK a few years ago, you would have thought that the skies would fall. Nothing happened.

 

RCI and all other lines should ban smoking outright for PAX and crew.

 

People congregate outside the pubs ad in the pub gardens in the UK.

[PompeySailor]

When they banned smoking in the pubs in the UK a few years ago, you would have thought that the skies would fall. Nothing happened.

 

RCI and all other lines should ban smoking outright for PAX and crew.

Actually many establishments went out of business..

I'm not going to post links or do research it's fact. Pubs in UK now only survive by having a restaurant attached to them.

[Oak Hill Cruisers]

Hurry and ban smoking before pot becomes legal in all 50 states. ;)

[PompeySailor]

Still irrelevant to the issue of smoking privileges. Unless it's your contention that All potentially harmful issues must be addressed simultaneously which seems a little silly. If you believe that these other things are harmful, by all means pursue it and try to get them banned. To suggest that because they are permitted that smoking is not harmful or should be permitted as well is not a logical statement.

 

Even if everyone agreed with your notion that they are harmful, you are then attempting to make an argument that two wrongs somehow make a right.

 

This really does remind me of the childhood behavior of being told something is bad, but then trying to rationalize the bad behavior by pointing out someone else behaving badly, as though that makes it ok.

 

It's like Bob Ford excusing his Crack smoking by blaming his binge drinking.

So from smoking to cellphones we now on Crack!!! Been an interesting day.:eek:

[Sitzmark]

People congregate outside the pubs ad in the pub gardens in the UK.

 

places here that have room have made outdoor smoking patios as well, but winter is long and more often than not there are only a few outside and many indoors. It is a much more pleasant atmosphere.

[PompeySailor]

When they banned smoking in the pubs in the UK a few years ago, you would have thought that the skies would fall. Nothing happened.

 

RCI and all other lines should ban smoking outright for PAX and crew.

 

Are you an Ex-Pat, as my mate who owned a pub before the ban, who now does not own a pub after the ban in the UK. Would like to hear your expert advice on how banning smoking inside didn't make a difference.

[Reader0108598]

Have no dog in this fight so just a comment.

 

 

Quit smoking some fifteen years ago so don't drag around the cigs and lighter any more :)

 

Now I drag around the nebulizer and two inhalors.. I am in my mid fifties:eek:

 

I am sure one day it will be oxygen I drag around.

 

 

Just saying...........

 

Reader

[Oak Hill Cruisers]

Are you an Ex-Pat, as my mate who owned a pub before the ban, who now does not own a pub after the ban in the UK. Would like to hear your expert advice on how banning smoking inside didn't make a difference.

 

PompeySailor,

 

I'm not an ex-pat and I have no expert advice on how inside pub smoking did not make a difference. Just an uninformed opinion.

[deliver42]

Both the Voyager and Freedom class ships have cigar lounges. All smokers can use these rooms, and they have great exhaust systems, so that even in those rooms, you can't smell the smoke.

[LetsGetWet!]

His information was obtained from a dated press release that WHO released in 2011. As you already know, your WHO link was from 2013.

 

Are we on the same side of this issue? Who'd of thunk?

 

Thanks for verifying that this was the fact sheet that was released to the press in 2011. More current data was posted by LetsGetWet.

 

Enjoy your afternoon.

Yep, we do appear to be on the same side. ;) Actually, I'll say I've seen you make a number of good points on various topics around here over time - even if I haven't jumped to agree in each time I saw one. I read many more threads than I respond to. :cool:

[LetsGetWet!]

Same thing here, they banned it in bars in town (then our entire state), everyone said the local bars would go out of business and that just over the state line business would boom. Now several years later and none of that has happened.

 

Actually many establishments went out of business..

I'm not going to post links or do research it's fact.

Nope its not a fact, but its a commonly stated belief, which pretty much all the research has totally debunked. I'd post the proof, but I guess I'll just adopt your practice "I'm not going to post links or do research its fact." ;)

[Bailey & Sophie]

Exactly! I have very well controlled asthma but when I am starting to get a cold or during hayfever season, many smells can set me off. Smoke is one of my major triggers but so is perfume, aerosals and strong cleaners. Some cruises I can go in the casino, others we plan our route to avoid it. I have had to leave church when a smoker has sat in front of me and reeked of smoke, but I have also had to leave because of someone showering in perfume or cologne.

 

If I avoided going everywhere that I might encounter something that will trigger my asthma, I would never leave my house.

Perfume is supposed to be subtle. If you can smell it, you are either too close, or they have too much on.

[bwaz]

Smoking threads...they're like traffic accidents...I know I should look away but I just can't.

 

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[PompeySailor]

PompeySailor,

 

I'm not an ex-pat and I have no expert advice on how inside pub smoking did not make a difference. Just an uninformed opinion.

 

Fair do,s interesting read this link

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100255698/the-smoking-ban-killed-the-british-pub-this-vandalism-is-labours-defining-legacy/

 

33% of staff lost their jobs from Public houses closing due to smoking ban.

In any industry a 33% loss would be time to declare bankruptcy.

 

So if a cruise line had a total ban on smoking, I am sure there would be some financial impact.

[PompeySailor]

Smoking threads...they're like traffic accidents...I know I should look away but I just can't.

 

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The lights are a Green, pull away the car behind is beeping you:rolleyes:

 

Always an interesting thread though.:eek:

[LetsGetWet!]

There's loads of research both ways for 2014 too. It's certainly not researched to death and I personally believe there is a link (although not proven yet). Itmjust seems rational that wjphen my ear burns its not quite right :eek:

Sounds like a bad battery to me if your ear is getting hot.

I'm not serious, although this used to happen.

LOL, thanks for the chuckles this afternoon. "I believe there is a link, because it just seems rational that when my ear burns its not quite right!"

 

Then someone tells you that that would be a defective battery issue, not a cell phone radiation issue, and you admit you weren't serious, in other words you just made up that argument! :eek: :rolleyes:

Edited June 26, 2014 by LetsGetWet!

[PompeySailor]

Nope its not a fact, but its a commonly stated belief, which pretty much all the research has totally debunked. I'd post the proof, but I guess I'll just adopt your practice "I'm not going to post links or do research its fact." ;)

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100255698/the-smoking-ban-killed-the-british-pub-this-vandalism-is-labours-defining-legacy/

 

Please read the FACTS.. 33% of public housing staff lost their jobs directly linked to the smoking ban.

So if you are originally from the UK, and have 1st hand experience of the pub industry and can say that no pubs closed or people lost their livelihoods .

I'll eat my hat and accept you are indeed the most qualified person alive on the outcomes of banning smoking.

You must be very self opinionated wearing blinkers and think that the world is all rosy and peachy, and that the ripple affect is actually a myth.

I have a mate who owned a pub before the ban, and now does not own a pub, he is very interested to hear your expert analysis on how banning smoking had no effect whatsoever.

[Reader0108598]

Fair do,s interesting read this link

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100255698/the-smoking-ban-killed-the-british-pub-this-vandalism-is-labours-defining-legacy/

 

33% of staff lost their jobs from Public houses closing due to smoking ban.

In any industry a 33% loss would be time to declare bankruptcy.

 

So if a cruise line had a total ban on smoking, I am sure there would be some financial impact.

 

 

I really do respect your opinion/ point of view:)

 

However I must say You need people alive to go to pubs/housing/ships.....smoking is counter productive to living . Seriously I cannot go for a brisk walk without huffing and puffing...your worried about jobs? I am worried about living.

 

You need people healthy enough to enjoy your product.

 

Reader

Edited June 26, 2014 by Reader0108598

[comxkid]

Actually many establishments went out of business..

I'm not going to post links or do research it's fact. Pubs in UK now only survive by having a restaurant attached to them.

 

I did some research for you that actually supports part of your statement.

 

http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2013/01/pub-closures-and-smoking-ban.html

 

The decline in the number of independent pubs in the United Kingdom can be evidenced by the graph included in the article. The smoking ban that was enacted in 2007 actually greatly accelerated the rate the decline.

 

What this tells me is that independent pubs were struggling due to increasing operating costs, increased taxation on beer and liquor sales, and declining demand as beer and cigarette consumption decreased from 1980 to 2007. The smoking ban was the final straw for many pubs. There was also increased competition with the introduction of pubco's (chains of pubs owned by large corporations).

Edited June 26, 2014 by comxkid

[Adayatatime]

LOL, thanks for the chuckles this afternoon. "I believe there is a link, because it just seems rational that when my ear burns its not quite right!"

 

Then someone tells you that that would be a defective battery issue, not a cell phone radiation issue, and you admit you weren't serious, in other words you just made up that argument! :eek: :rolleyes:

 

And if you see the sentence afterwards, you will see I was joking in my comment about eyesight. I didn't say it wasn't a defective battery either. Off to bed now its late here.

[Big_G]

Smoking threads...they're like traffic accidents...I know I should look away but I just can't.

 

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No kidding. :D:D:D

[Adayatatime]

Can you prove it with Data sheets and fact sheets please, also please provide me with links and back them up. Make sure that you are also using the most up to date research as if batteries over heating are causing issues. I want to make sure I am on the write page.:) LOL

How is Oxford these days?

 

DD would love to go to Uni there :D.

[comxkid]

No kidding. :D:D:D

 

I look at controversial threads as an opportunity to potentially educate and/or open peoples' minds to an alternate way of thinking. When presented facts, informed conclusions can be made.

 

It doesn't alway work however. :)