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[esm54687]

Okay, so rather than getting into a p!ssing contest with you, I've sent the following off to NCL for a response:

 

OK, good luck with that.... my personal experience (and confirmed by post #23) vs your opinion....

 

I really don't care so there's no "pissing contest".... I took offense over you challenging my information without you ever personally sitting at a $6 table...... but I do hope you sleep better knowing that if NCL Management comes back and confirms that the Breakaway Casino has misinterpreted the policy / rule and it should've never been handled the way they did that 1) potential disciplinary action against the Casino Manager, Supervisors and staff are a real thing and 2) passengers who enjoyed that interpretation will now not be able to play a wager where the odds are tilted towards the player....

 

Wow

 

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[rbt001]

OK, good luck with that.... my personal experience (and confirmed by post #23) vs your opinion....

 

I really don't care so there's no "pissing contest".... I took offense over you challenging my information without you ever personally sitting at a $6 table...... but I do hope you sleep better knowing that if NCL Management comes back and confirms that the Breakaway Casino has misinterpreted the policy / rule and it should've never been handled the way they did that 1) potential disciplinary action against the Casino Manager, Supervisors and staff are a real thing and 2) passengers who enjoyed that interpretation will now not be able to play a wager where the odds are tilted towards the player....

 

Wow

 

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So here we go....

 

I was POLITE in my initial post, simply expressing DOUBT rather than making a statement: "you are wrong: you couldn't have done that."

 

Why doubt? Because we are talking about the $6 table which is greatly inhabited by players that are CLUELESS and lack experience as players. Quite often there's at least a few that don't know what they are doing.

 

In close to 20 years of playing blackjack, I've never seen or experienced what was stated. And hopefully you follow the logic I spelled out in what I've stated.

 

 

Moving on the your other suppositions should Breakaway play you described be contrary to NCL policy:

 

First, it will be NCL's decision how they retrain and discipline; that's not a passenger concern. But without giving it too much thought, my initial reaction is that I DOUBT that anything of consequence will happen by means of dicipline.

 

Second, again assuming your experiences were a policy breach, learning of this can help you and others from looking like FOOLS should you try this on another cruise line or a casino elsewhere that offers table gaming.

 

Lastly, NCL could reply that $5 in the box and $1 on the side bet does meet the $6 minimum. And likewise $20 in the box and $5 on the side bet meets the minimum at a $25 table. Should this be the case, I will have learned something, and I will thank you.

[skeeter195]

rbt001, why are you so insulting? Especially since you are giving bad information. Quite simply when the table minimum is $6 you can make the 5 and 1 bet. In September on the Breakaway when I was playing at a $100 table(so i must have clue, right?) I watched a guy bet 90 and 10 almost everyday. Why someone would bet 90 and 10 is beyond me but that is for another time. Actually I have seen these types of bets in Foxwoods, the Borgata and Vegas casinos over the years. So maybe you just don't pay that much attention when you play.

[Mike_DeA]

This is not unique to the Breakaway. The Gem also runs the $6 blackjack this way so I'm sure it's NCL policy. Not sure why an email to NCL is necessary, except that someone got their ego bruised.

 

In my experience the side bet on the $6 table is the opportunity to spin the wheel if you hit a blackjack. The wheel contains various dollar amounts from $10 to $250 I believe.

 

I play higher stakes these days, but I often will watch the $6 table (or others) and it seems to be inhabited by the most fun group of people in the casino. Those looking to just have some fun and gamble a bit, after all, a cruise is a vacation right. Nothing wrong with that, and not deserving of insults in any event.

[skeeter195]

I agree Mike. The $6 table is where the fun is. If my friends are playing there then I will join them with a couple of hundred dollars and drink and have fun for hours until we find something else to do. I am playing less hours these days at the bigger tables. I am have been picking my spots at the bigger tables when the "time is right" and the hit and run(10-50 hands per session) has been working out pretty well. I find that I now have more time to spend on the more exciting things that a cruise has to offer. Next week though will be a different story when I hope to spend 20 plus hours for the main event on the Epic.

[Mike_DeA]

Shuffle up and deal! Can't wait for the tournament as well.

[esm54687]

Skeeter & Mike... good luck in the tournament

 

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[Mike_DeA]

Thanks esm!

[skeeter195]

Thank you

[jobey]

Re: 6/5 Blackjack

 

Don't take my word for it; see what an expert has to say.

 

[esm54687]

Okay, so rather than getting into a p!ssing contest with you, I've sent the following off to NCL for a response:

 

Hello-

 

I have a Blackjack gaming and wager question that I am seeking a definitive answer from someone of authority as the answer pertains to policy on board NCL ships.

 

Someone has posted publicly the following:

 

"...

based on my personal experience on the Breakaway in March & November of 2016.... the table minimum was $6 and you could put $6 on bet or $5 on bet and $1 on side bet for a total of $6

..."

 

I challenged this because each blackjack table where I have sat states two sets of limits: Minimum & Maximum for the Blackjack hand as well as a Minimum & Maximum for the side bet hand (currently Lucky Ladies).

 

 

• Is this a misunderstanding?
  
  
• Is NCL making an exception to their own posted limits by allowing a below minimum bet of $5 for a blackjack hand?
  
  
• Is Breakaway bending the rules against NCL gaming policy?
  
  

 

 

With all due respect to both the individual who reads this and myself, based upon my play rating, I am asking that I receive a response back from an individual at a managerial level that is able and authorized to respond in writing on behalf of NCL, stating their full name and title with NCL.

That's a c/p and I've only omitted my personal information here. When I get a response, I will post it.

Just curious about their response..... it's been a while and with you being a seasoned veteran and high roller I would've thought they answered you super promptly

 

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[DonTheRadioGuy]

Just curious about their response..... it's been a while and with you being a seasoned veteran and high roller I would've thought they answered you super promptly

 

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Or it got filed in the DYKWIA folder for prompt deletion.

[esm54687]

Or it got filed in the DYKWIA folder for prompt deletion.

LOL

 

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[esm54687]

Okay, so rather than getting into a p!ssing contest with you, I've sent the following off to NCL for a response:

 

Hello-

 

I have a Blackjack gaming and wager question that I am seeking a definitive answer from someone of authority as the answer pertains to policy on board NCL ships.

 

Someone has posted publicly the following:

 

"...

based on my personal experience on the Breakaway in March & November of 2016.... the table minimum was $6 and you could put $6 on bet or $5 on bet and $1 on side bet for a total of $6

..."

 

I challenged this because each blackjack table where I have sat states two sets of limits: Minimum & Maximum for the Blackjack hand as well as a Minimum & Maximum for the side bet hand (currently Lucky Ladies).

 

 

• Is this a misunderstanding?
  
  
• Is NCL making an exception to their own posted limits by allowing a below minimum bet of $5 for a blackjack hand?
  
  
• Is Breakaway bending the rules against NCL gaming policy?
  
  

 

 

With all due respect to both the individual who reads this and myself, based upon my play rating, I am asking that I receive a response back from an individual at a managerial level that is able and authorized to respond in writing on behalf of NCL, stating their full name and title with NCL.

That's a c/p and I've only omitted my personal information here. When I get a response, I will post it.

 

Still nothing?

 

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[garycarla]

Still nothing?

 

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I doubt he will get an answer. In gambling parlance, replying to this is a loosing proposition.

[esm54687]

I doubt he will get an answer. In gambling parlance, replying to this is a loosing proposition.

Completely agree with you.... he chose to personally challenge my information (validated by other posters) and took it upon himself to belittle me with his gambling knowledge and arrogance......

 

Me asking for an update is satisfying knowing he won't receive that reply and to highlight he's an idiot..... yes, juvenile on my part and I own that but it makes me smile.

 

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[rbt001]

Completely agree with you.... he chose to personally challenge my information (validated by other posters) and took it upon himself to belittle me with his gambling knowledge and arrogance......

 

Me asking for an update is satisfying knowing he won't receive that reply and to highlight he's an idiot..... yes, juvenile on my part and I own that but it makes me smile.

 

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Here's an update

 

First, I am on a 15 day cruise, so I don't log on to the internet as often.

 

On the evening of December 1st I saw the first post on here, inquiring about a response. It surprised me that I hadn't heard back so I looked in my sent emails to resend it.

 

That's when I discovered it in my draft emails, unsent. I hadn't put in a send to address. So I then sent it to casino inquiries after hours in 12/01, Friday night.

 

I flew to California 12/3 for 12/6 embarkation on Panama Canal cruise.

 

 

I did get a response on Tuesday 12/05. Read it and haven't had a chance to post it here. As I am doing this on my phone in Mexico, for now I am pasting who responded:

William Beasley | Director, Fleet Casino Operations

 

On my next sea day at my laptop I will log onto CC and paste in the full response.

 

 

I will tell you for now that I asked on board this cruise, on Coral Princess, and they stated that ONLY at $6 tables is one permitted to split the $6 between the side bet and the black jack hand's bet. It cannot be done at any other blackjack with a limit higher than $6.

 

For now to recap,

 

I DID get a prompt response.

I am NOT avoiding this issue or thread.

I WILL post the full reply I receive.

 

In the meantime, I suggest you re-read my exact words in my posting that started all of this controversy.

[esm54687]

Here's an update

 

First, I am on a 15 day cruise, so I don't log on to the internet as often.

 

On the evening of December 1st I saw the first post on here, inquiring about a response. It surprised me that I hadn't heard back so I looked in my sent emails to resend it.

 

That's when I discovered it in my draft emails, unsent. I hadn't put in a send to address. So I then sent it to casino inquiries after hours in 12/01, Friday night.

 

I flew to California 12/3 for 12/6 embarkation on Panama Canal cruise.

 

 

I did get a response on Tuesday 12/05. Read it and haven't had a chance to post it here. As I am doing this on my phone in Mexico, for now I am pasting who responded:

William Beasley | Director, Fleet Casino Operations

 

On my next sea day at my laptop I will log onto CC and paste in the full response.

 

 

I will tell you for now that I asked on board this cruise, on Coral Princess, and they stated that ONLY at $6 tables is one permitted to split the $6 between the side bet and the black jack hand's bet. It cannot be done at any other blackjack with a limit higher than $6.

 

For now to recap,

 

I DID get a prompt response.

I am NOT avoiding this issue or thread.

I WILL post the full reply I receive.

 

In the meantime, I suggest you re-read my exact words in my posting that started all of this controversy.

 

Thanks for updating us and hopefully you're enjoying your trip.....

 

Glad you confirmed that what I reported in post #10 is accurate on Princess as well ......

 

Per your suggestion, I refer you to your post #21 where you stated (in exact words): "I doubt the accuracy of the comment that at a $6 table it's acceptable to place $1 on the side bet and only $5 in the box for a total of $6."

 

Pretty straight forward......

 

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[rbt001]

Thanks for updating us and hopefully you're enjoying your trip.....

 

Glad you confirmed that what I reported in post #10 is accurate on Princess as well ......

 

Per your suggestion, I refer you to your post #21 where you stated (in exact words): "I doubt the accuracy of the comment that at a $6 table it's acceptable to place $1 on the side bet and only $5 in the box for a total of $6."

 

Pretty straight forward......

 

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Point is, I simply cast doubt and expressed disbelief rather than stating "you are wrong"

 

Furthermore I share the logic behind my doubt and stated I've never seen it done.

 

Lastly, I have used this sight long enough to know that not every comment posted is true.

 

That anyone CHOSE to feel belittled or insulted by my comments, perhaps, is related to an issue they may have with their set-esteem, but I am just guessing. My comments never personally singled anyone out. I simply made a broad observation about players at the lowest stakes table: $6; many do NOT know what they are doing or are first time players.

 

So... IF I HAD stated that what was posted was not true or the OP was incorrect, I would have felt the need to apologize. But I would have NEVER MADE that statement unless I unequivocally knew I believed was contrary and true.

 

I learned something about what amounts to a "limited exception."