Pompeii and Herculaneum - too much in one day?

[JKP111]

Is Pompeii and Herculaneam too much for one day? Especially for teenagers? I'm booking tours for my 18-year-old son and I and wandering through hill towns or riding in a car for hours on end isn't really his thing, so I was looking for something on the Pompeii tour that has a little more heft, but now I'm thinking it may be too much to do both sites.

 

Has anyone done this and lived to tell about it? :-)

 

Thanks in advance from a novice!

 

Jen

[thinfool]

Not too much...we left the ship, hiked to the train that took us to Pompeii. Paid the admission, rented the audio tour (mistake**), wandered around Pompeii for 2-3 hrs.

 

Boarded the train, on the way back decided to do Herc...got off at the wrong stop...went back to the right stop...walked downhill to the site...found a tour guide as we paid the entrance fee.

 

Spent 2-3 hours there...Herc, imo, was more interesting (better preserved) than Pompeii.

 

Walked back uphill to the train....back to the port and back to the ship.

 

A full day, but not too much. And we are not young enough to have a 17 year old.

 

**Afterwards we wished we had hired a tour guide, several of which were hanging around the entrance to the ruins.

[ollienbertsmum]

Is Pompeii and Herculaneam too much for one day? Especially for teenagers? I'm booking tours for my 18-year-old son and I and wandering through hill towns or riding in a car for hours on end isn't really his thing, so I was looking for something on the Pompeii tour that has a little more heft, but now I'm thinking it may be too much to do both sites.

 

Has anyone done this and lived to tell about it? :-)

 

Thanks in advance from a novice!

 

Jen

 

How about Herculaneum and Vesuvius ?? You can go by the local train and as you come out of the train station you will see buses that take you part way up Vesuvius. I have not used them, I just noticed them as we visited Herculaneum. I am not sure which way round I would do it - I suppose it might depend on when you are going. If it is July/August I might suggest that Capri is a better option.

[cruisemom42]

It's not too much IF it is of interest.

 

Of course, one can spend a whole day at Pompeii and see much the same as you can see at Herculaneum. Those who only spend a couple of hours there usually fail to see some of the best-preserved houses, because they are small and guides do not tend to take large tours to them.

 

There is an outstanding private villa with gorgeous (and recently restored) frescoes that is just outside one of the original Pompeii city gates. How many people get there when you're only on site for a couple of hours? Very few....

 

Another option would be to combine a visit to Pompeii with a visit to the Naples Archeological Museum, which has all the best items found at Pompeii, Herculaneum and other nearby sites including original frescoes, mosaics, furniture, sculpture and other objects. Together the two really help to give a complete picture of life in 79 AD in the Roman empire.

[dogs4fun]

 

There is an outstanding private villa with gorgeous (and recently restored) frescoes that is just outside one of the original Pompeii city gates.

Oh goodie - another villa with restored frescoes! The only one that I have visited is Villa dei Misteri - where is the other as I will certainly want to check it out on my next visit? :)

[CaribbeanBound]

We just got back from doing both, and I kept good track of the trek to give you a play-by-play.

 

Funny, we also got off at the wrong station heading to Herculaneum from Pompeii. Instead of waiting for the next train we just walked it. It was mostly downhill.

 

The Naples Museum is on our list of things to do the next time we visit.

 

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The one place my wife specifically requested to visit on this entire trip was Pompeii, so we set our sights on seeing Pompeii and the lessor-known city of Herculaneum. Both are UNESCO World Heritage Sites. You can find tours and taxis to both ruined cities, or you can get there easily and inexpensively on your own. Pompeii is just a 30-to-40-minute train ride away, and Herculaneum is just 15 minutes away. Thankfully they can both be accessed from the same trains, but you still need to get to the train station from the port.

 

Both sites are free on the first Sunday of each month. Sure, we saved €13 pp at Pompeii and €11 pp at Herculaneum, but we had to deal with much heavier crowds than we otherwise would have. Since we only had one day in port we got off the ship as soon as we docked at 7:00 am and headed into town to catch a metro to the train station in hopes of reaching Pompeii when they opened at 8:30 am.

 

The Naples cruise port is located in the historic center, facing the medieval Castel Nuovo. You can walk from the ship, through the Maritime Station, across the parking lot, and past a snack bar and smack into a 7 lane road Via Ammiraglio Ferdinando Action. There will be a very obvious cross walk in front of you. Cross the street and walk up a ramp alongside the castle which will take you to its entrance.

 

If that's your destination, turn left and go in. Another 1.5 blocks up the road (Via San Carlo) is Galleria Umberto I, across from the San Carlo Theater (18th-century Opera House). Just one block past that is Piazza del Plebiscito with equestrian statues fronting Basilica Reale Pontificia San Francesco da Paola which features Greek-style columns lining the facade of this Pantheon-style church filled with sculpture and paintings. The Royal Palace is across the street (as you head back towards the port).

 

If you're heading for the metro, turn right instead and walk two blocks down Via Vittorio Emanuele III to Piazza Municipio, a small one block plaza. The metro station, designated by a big "M" can easily be seen. Buy your metro pass (€1,10) in the little shop on the right before heading downstairs to the station. Use your metro ticket to enter the turnstiles and go down several floors following signage for Garibaldi. Once at the correct station, take the first subway arriving from your right and traveling to your left, regardless of the "next train" time shown on the overhead monitor.

 

You'll arrive in 5 to 10 minutes. Follow the crowds or signage to the exit upstairs. You'll find yourself in a mall. Turn left and stay to the right. Ignore the first escalator you pass on your left and instead take the first escalator on your right. At the top turn right and follow the signs to Circumvesuviana (train). You will see ticket booths. Buy your one-way (€3,30) train ticket to "Pompeii Scavi". Go through the turnstiles, go down stairs and wait on the middle platform #3.

 

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You are going to take the train toward "Sorrento". The trains run about every 30 minutes. The monitor will tell you when the next Sorrento train is scheduled to arrive. "Pompeii Scavi" is one of the stops. You'll arrive in about 30 minutes. Follow the crowds to the right, past a few shops and cafes, and a half-block later you'll be pleased to see that you've arrived at the entrance to Pompeii!

 

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We arrived around 9:00 am. Since admission was free today due to being the first Sunday of the month, we bypassed the ticket booth and headed straight for the turnstiles. Wrong! We still needed a ticket. So we went back to the ticket window and secured our free tickets. We also picked up a free sitemap in the little room to the right of the ticket windows. This was the only place we saw maps all day. With tickets and maps in hand we went through the turnstiles and headed in.

 

Once a thriving Roman city, Pompeii was buried under tons of ash and pumice courtesy of Mount Vesuvius in 79 A.D. The preserved site features excavated ruins of houses, buildings, and streets and you can freely roam. The nicer houses (with tile mosaics, infrequent statuary, courtyards, and columns) open and close on a rotating schedule. The site is massive and a lot of fun to explore. Photo opportunities abound.

 

We easily could have spent the whole day there, but we also wanted to see Herculaneum and get back to our ship before it left. On our way out, we noticed the entrance had closed to new visitors. The policy is to close by 12:30 pm, with expectations to reopen again after 2:30 pm, to regulate the flow of crowds on the free Sundays. (If they reach 15,000 people before 12:30 they will close earlier.)

 

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We were sure glad we arrived early. Pompeii did seem to get crowded by 10:00 am. However, the further you get from the Forum (central square about 3 blocks in from the entrance), the less crowded it feels. Heading back to the train station, we bought our tickets (€2 each) to "Ercolano Scavi" (the stop for Herculaneum) and waited on platform #2, which requires that you take the stairs which directly across from the ticket office down and go under the tracks to the other side. Take the first train that comes as they'll all stop at Ercolano Scavi on the way to Naples / Napoli.

 

Carefully watch for your stop as signage isn't great and the stops are short. The train to Ercolano Scavi takes about 15-20 minutes depending upon the number of stops your particular train makes. We accidentally got off one stop too soon and had to use the GPS and offline maps on my phone to journey, mostly downhill, to Herculaneum's rear entrance. Assuming YOU get off at the right stop, walk directly downhill about 6 blocks on Via IV Novembre and you'll be at the rear entrance to Herculaneum. You can't miss it. If you're hungry, stop in at Bar Sandwich / Herculaneum Cafe across the street for an inexpensive meal. We shared a caprese sandwich with a wonderfully tasty fresh roll.

 

We secured our free tickets and map and walked into the site. Although Herculaneum is a significantly smaller city (about 1/4 the size, and only a fraction of that has been excavated), it's a much better preserved site than Pompeii. It's therefore easier to feel transported back in time. Herculaneum was smothered by the same volcanic event that destroyed Pompeii, albeit a later phase.

 

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While Pompeii is all on "street level", Herculaneum is in a huge open pit. Pompeii was buried under just 12 feet of mostly volcanic debris, whereas Herculaneum was buried in 60 to 70 feet of mud and volcanic ash. Keeping in mind that Herculaneum used to be an oceanfront city, you instantly get a better idea of the magnitude of what they were buried under. Nearly 80% of Herculaneum is still unexplored, mostly due to being hidden underneath present day buildings.

 

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The solemn visual representation of the death of each city's respective inhabitants is starkly different. Pompeii enthralls visitors with the bodies of victims that have been recreated through casting of plaster of Paris into soft cavities in the ash. These cavities were actually the outlines of the bodies that retained their shape despite decomposition --- though they still held the bones of the cadavers. The bones became incased when the plaster filled the soft ash. By contrast, visitors to Herculaneum can view boat houses with hundreds of skeletons waiting in the shade for a rescue that never arrived. So far, about 300 skeletons have been unearthed in 12 arched chambers.

 

Exiting Herculaneum, we headed for the Ercolano Scavi station, bought out ticket (€2,60 pp) and caught the first train back to Napoli, which turned out to be a train to Porta Nolana. (If you want to catch a train to the metro, essentially reversing the original route, be sure to catch a train to Garibaldi / Napoli Centrale instead). Upon exiting the station you can take a taxi or bus #151 back to the port; or turn left and walk. We walked three blocks, turned right, and walked 30 minutes (about 22 long blocks) along Via Nuova Marina back to the port. Walking wasn't hard but it wouldn't be my first choice next time.

 

 

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[cruisemom42]

Oh goodie - another villa with restored frescoes! The only one that I have visited is Villa dei Misteri - where is the other as I will certainly want to check it out on my next visit? :)

 

Oops, sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the Villa dei Misteri, which very few first-time visitors get around to visiting.

 

However, having just spent another full day at Pompeii, I can happily report that the long-closed House of the Vettii has finally reopened with some gorgeous frescoes. Another recently restored and re-opened house is the House of Octavius Quartio/Loreius Tiburtinus which is an outstanding large property near the amphitheatre with gardens, frescoes and mosaics.

 

Pompeii is trying hard to have more houses open to visit. They are doing this by opening some in the morning and some in the afternoon, so one really has to spend the better part of the day onsite to see the best selection.

 

The House of the Small Fountain, for example, is open in the afternoons only. It rivals the famous house with the mosaic fountain in Herculaneum.

[dogs4fun]

Oops, sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the Villa dei Misteri, which very few first-time visitors get around to visiting.

 

However, having just spent another full day at Pompeii, I can happily report that the long-closed House of the Vettii has finally reopened with some gorgeous frescoes. Another recently restored and re-opened house is the House of Octavius Quartio/Loreius Tiburtinus which is an outstanding large property near the amphitheatre with gardens, frescoes and mosaics.

 

Pompeii is trying hard to have more houses open to visit. They are doing this by opening some in the morning and some in the afternoon, so one really has to spend the better part of the day onsite to see the best selection.

 

The House of the Small Fountain, for example, is open in the afternoons only. It rivals the famous house with the mosaic fountain in Herculaneum.

Thanks. I love that there is always some new Roman site to explore - I will never see it all. They will still be uncovering things long after I am gone.

[DrD]

Well we're signed up to tour both, and Vesuvius, next month. With 2 boys ages 14 and 16. I'll let you know how it goes. It's nice that they don't have to pay admission.

[JKP111]

This is great information - thank you so much everyone!