Captain_Morgan Posted December 19, 2020 #1 Share Posted December 19, 2020 While scrolling through another site just the other day I came across a post from the port in Mukran, which at first glance I didn't pay much attention to as it was seemingly another innocuous post about a port being thankful that a ship is there, etc. But when I scrolled back it dawned on me that those in the photo were, for lack of a better term captured in what can only be described as reckless and irresponsible behavior. I know the Viking loyalists who think the company is without fault will see nothing wrong with this photo and will convince themselves and others that all is perfectly normal and I am nothing but a troll (whatever helps spin the counter narrative I suppose 🙄) , but in this current time of a global pandemic I would have expected to see at the very least someone wearing a mask, and at a stretch a little social distancing? The two women pictured I can only guess are representatives of the port, neither of whom are wearing masks, and one could argue that the angle from which the photo was taken might not accurately show the distance between them and the crew; however, the semantics and small details that people are surely to point out does not take away from the fact that the optics of this IMO are not particularly positive given Germany by last count had in excess of 30K cases per day recently and Viking are seemingly posing for a photo op despite it all. As I say, you can put your head in the sand and pretend everything is normal for whatever reason you choose in order to self-justify but as they say a picture tells a thousand words and this one, although as part of the original post was meant to be part of something positive (giving gifts of chocolate to the crew) comes across as pretty tone deaf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
id est Posted December 19, 2020 #2 Share Posted December 19, 2020 14 hours ago, Captain_Morgan said: I am nothing but a troll Totally agree! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare DrKoob Posted December 20, 2020 #3 Share Posted December 20, 2020 This is a photo from 2019. Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Morgan Posted December 20, 2020 Author #4 Share Posted December 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, DrKoob said: This is a photo from 2019. Please! Sorry to burst your bubble of denial, but this was posted 2 days ago on LinkedIn by Mukran Port...feel free to google it for yourself unless you too are still living in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Morgan Posted December 20, 2020 Author #5 Share Posted December 20, 2020 8 hours ago, id est said: Totally agree! Nice to see more constructive comments from people living in denial.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcupine 52 Posted December 20, 2020 #6 Share Posted December 20, 2020 It's seems to me that the women that are representing the port are just as guilty as the Viking folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photopro2 Posted December 20, 2020 #7 Share Posted December 20, 2020 On 12/19/2020 at 6:40 AM, Captain_Morgan said: I am nothing but a troll My feeling is that anyone suggesting such a thing is doing you a serious disservice. While you may come at issues from a different point of view from myself and others, in my experience you have always expressed your opinions in a logical and perfectly reasonable way. It is important that we are able to differentiate your justifiable criticism from troll like “mud throwing” by others.....this post is a prime example. Dealing firstly with the facts. The image was taken on 17th December 2020 and is included in an item on the port’s website with the capitalized heading “PORT SASSNITZ-MUKRAN WITH CHRISTMAS GREETINGS FOR SHIP CREWS” Estimating the spacing between individuals is made easier by the rectangular block paving, given that the blocks are approximately 100x200 mm in size. Using this as a guide it is clear that the officers have not maintained the 1.5-meter separation that is recommended while on-shore by the local German authorities. The port representatives have exceeded that requirement, at least between each other. Face coverings are not a regulatory issue in this case as they are only a requirement while using public transport and in shops. Even so I do feel that the crew missed a chance to make a visual statement about the importance of masks by wearing them in the photograph. It does not excuse the breach of guidance but from a practical point of view it seems likely that the crew will have been isolated for some time, subject to frequent temperature checks and maybe even the daily testing protocol which is being introduced. Therefore, the only substantial transmission risk would seem to be from the port staff to the crew themselves. While I readily accept the officers did not use “best practice” I personally do not think their actions was egregious or irresponsible to any great extent. I would save those terms for the indoor parties held in recent weeks by political leaders and celebrities in various parts of the world. Also, it does not look to me like a formal photocall and may even have come as something of a surprise to the crew. Hopefully, in hindsight, all those involved would agree that the event could have been arranged in a more appropriate way. However it came about, it is very sad that the apparent breach of guidelines has somewhat tarnished such a kind and caring gesture from the port to mariners who will be away from their homes this Christmas. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosassa Posted December 20, 2020 #8 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Consider the source of this thread and move on. At this point, the crew members would be daily (household) contacts, and would not be socially distanced in their daily interactions with each other. It appears that the two groups, crew and port, are socially distanced. Has everyone checked the restrictions in place for this locale at the time of this photo? It may have met the local standard for social interaction . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photopro2 Posted December 20, 2020 #9 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Homosassa said: Has everyone checked the restrictions in place for this locale at the time of this photo? That information is in my reply: 2 hours ago, photopro2 said: it is clear that the officers have not maintained the 1.5-meter separation that is recommended while on-shore by the local German authorities. While somewhat socially distanced the two groups do not seem to be separated to required degree. In any case the local restrictions relate to the minimum distance to be observed between individuals not "groups" and the officers are obviously much closer than 1.5 meters (4 feet 11 inches) from one another. You are probably right that the officers do not socially distance in their daily interactions on-board. However that does not excuse their failing to comply with local recommendations once they set foot ashore. It is not a hanging offence especially if, as I suggested, this all came out of the blue for them. My main point is that this was a missed opportunity to demonstrate "best practice" by having everyone socially distance appropriately (as the port staff have done) and even going above and beyond by also wearing masks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johneb2 Posted December 21, 2020 #10 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Captain Morgan, I believe this maybe an old picture, pre-pandemic. JohnEB2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColW55 Posted December 21, 2020 #11 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duquephart Posted December 21, 2020 #12 Share Posted December 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, ColW55 said: They have to stay onboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Morgan Posted December 22, 2020 Author #13 Share Posted December 22, 2020 10 hours ago, johneb2 said: Captain Morgan, I believe this maybe an old picture, pre-pandemic. JohnEB2 What is the basis of your belief when its been proven more than once that this was taken on 16 December 2020? As was very eloquently stated by @photopro2, this may not be a hanging offence (never suggested it was) but it was most definitely a missed opportunity and not particularly flattering when considering the Captain is pictured along with his senior management team. Imagine if there were a group of lesser ranked crew who happened to be photographed in a similar way, I'm sure there wouldn't be the same laissez-fare approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Peregrina651 Posted December 22, 2020 #14 Share Posted December 22, 2020 18 hours ago, johneb2 said: Captain Morgan, I believe this maybe an old picture, pre-pandemic. JohnEB2 Photopro checked out the date on the picture and says it was taken on 12/17/20. See post #7 above where he writes: On 12/20/2020 at 9:52 AM, photopro2 said: Dealing firstly with the facts. The image was taken on 17th December 2020 and is included in an item on the port’s website with the capitalized heading “PORT SASSNITZ-MUKRAN WITH CHRISTMAS GREETINGS FOR SHIP CREWS” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TayanaLorna Posted December 22, 2020 #15 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Enough is ENOUGH with this Viking photo. Merry Yuletide all. So before I get lambasted for a greeting that may not correspond to all belief systems, Merry Yuletide is a greeting for the day of Winter Solstice which we all knows exists. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcupine 52 Posted December 22, 2020 #16 Share Posted December 22, 2020 And let's not forget a Happier New year better than 2020 for sure!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cienfuegos Posted December 22, 2020 #17 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I like the salutation for a HAPPIER NEW YEAR. That has an optimistic ring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photopro2 Posted December 22, 2020 #18 Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 hours ago, TayanaLorna said: Enough is ENOUGH with this Viking photo Agreed...... and seasons greetings to you all 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyB Posted December 22, 2020 #19 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Feliz Navidad! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johneb2 Posted December 23, 2020 #20 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 1:16 AM, Captain_Morgan said: What is the basis of your belief when its been proven more than once that this was taken on 16 December 2020? As was very eloquently stated by @photopro2, this may not be a hanging offence (never suggested it was) but it was most definitely a missed opportunity and not particularly flattering when considering the Captain is pictured along with his senior management team. Imagine if there were a group of lesser ranked crew who happened to be photographed in a similar way, I'm sure there wouldn't be the same laissez-fare approach. I apologize, you are correct! Just seemed odd. JohnEB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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