ETIAS is coming some time in 2022

[rbslos18]

I just read that US/Canada travelers to Europe will need an ETIAS (electronic travel authorization to visit much of Europe) Will this apply to we cruisers? 

[TinaLee]

Website says 2023.

 

ETIAS for American Citizens

ETIAS Eligibility

  The United States of America will be a launch member of the ETIAS
  American citizens will be eligible to apply for ETIAS in 2023
  American citizens will benefit from a using an online application system to apply for ETIAS

Other ETIAS Requirements

  American citizens can apply for ETIAS online
  ETIAS is valid for arrival to Europe by air, sea or overland
  Travellers must have an e-passport that is machine readable
  ETIAS is for short tourist, business, transit and medical visits
  Applicants under the age of 18 or over the age of 70 will receive their ETIAS free of charge

[Twitchly]

What’s an e-passport?

[LindaS272]

21 minutes ago, Twitchly said:

Edited August 29, 2021 by LindaS272

[MarkTapley]

15 minutes ago, Twitchly said:

What’s an e-passport?

Passport with a chip containing all the information displayed in your passport.  I think all USA passports have had the chip for some time.  There’s a symbol on the cover to indicate the presence of the chip.

[FlyerTalker]

5 minutes ago, LindaS272 said:

What they said “ ETIAS (electronictravel authorization to visit much of Europe) ”. E means “electronic.”

 

Incorrect.

 

Please see the correct explanation from Mark Tapley above.

 

The symbol is:

[LindaS272]

Just now, FlyerTalker said:

 

Incorrect.

 

Please see the correct explanation from Mark Tapley above.

 

The symbol is:

Yup—I realized that soon after posting but could not delete my post. 

[JeriGail]

This site lets you look up citizenship country and travel country and tells you if you need ETIAS.  It says you need ETIAS starting in 2021, but it doesn't say when.

ETIAS Application - ETIAS Europe

 

[JeriGail]

This site says Americans will need it by the end of 2022.

ETIAS for Americans | Europe's Travel Authorisation for US (etiasvisa.com)

[njhorseman]

1 hour ago, JeriGail said:

This site lets you look up citizenship country and travel country and tells you if you need ETIAS.  It says you need ETIAS starting in 2021, but it doesn't say when.

ETIAS Application - ETIAS Europe

 

 

1 hour ago, JeriGail said:

This site says Americans will need it by the end of 2022.

ETIAS for Americans | Europe's Travel Authorisation for US (etiasvisa.com)

You're citing private commercial websites, not official EU sites. The information on these sites is outdated and incorrect. Official EU websites are in the europa.eu  domain name.

Here's official information:

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/smart-borders/etias_en

You'll see the following notice on that page:

Important notice

• The European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) is currently not in operation and no applications for travel authorisations are collected at this point.
• Applicants will be able to apply via an official website and/or app for mobile devices prior to the start of operation of ETIAS and will have to pay a fee of €7.
• The date from which travellers will be able to apply will be published on this web site.
• Please refer to the memo (PDF) for additional questions and answers on ETIAS.

[njhorseman]

6 hours ago, TinaLee said:

Website says 2023.

Please provide the url for the site you're quoting so we can see if it's official information. Official EU websites have an europa.eu domain name.

Other posters have already, and unfortunately, been citing unofficial and incorrect information.

[TinaLee]

24 minutes ago, njhorseman said:

Please provide the url for the site you're quoting so we can see if it's official information. Official EU websites have an europa.eu domain name.

Other posters have already, and unfortunately, been citing unofficial and incorrect information.

Well, ETIASeurope.eu has not been updated since 2018, so I would discount any information available on that website currently (and it lists that everyone will need ETIAS effective 2021, which is patently not true this year). Not sure why you're discounting information provided in the US for US citizens? 

 

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/us-citizens/ says that US citizens will need to apply for ETIAS effective "by the end of 2022." again indicating that 2023 will be the year we will need to start being concerned about this as US citizens. 

 

https://www.etias.us/us-citizens/ gives the same information - that U.S. citizens over the age of 18 will be required to apply online for the ETIAS online authorization to enter any of the Schengen Area member states.

From the end of 2022, all US citizens traveling to Europe for short-term stays will be obliged to have an ETIAS visa waiver with them before their trip. It is key that a U.S. traveler has a valid passport. During the application process, American applicants will be required to provide a current email address. When the ETIAS is approved, it will be sent to the email provided in the application.

 

Again, it would appear my original post (sorry, I don't remember which website it was... I obviously looked at several) stating that the beginning of 2023 will be likely time US citizens will be able to apply for ETIAS is correct. If not, it would appear to only be off by a few months. 

[njhorseman]

1 hour ago, TinaLee said:

Well, ETIASeurope.eu has not been updated since 2018, so I would discount any information available on that website currently (and it lists that everyone will need ETIAS effective 2021, which is patently not true this year). Not sure why you're discounting information provided in the US for US citizens? 

ETIASeurope.eu is NOT an official EU website, so whether it's been updated since 2018 is irrelevant. Scroll down to the bottom of their web page and you'll see "EtiasEurope.eu is a private Website". 

 

Once again, official EU websites use the europa.eu domain. Look carefully...official sites are europa.eu, not europe.eu.

 

1 hour ago, TinaLee said:

Not sure why you're discounting information provided in the US for US citizens?

I'm discounting the two other sites you've mentioned because once again they are private commercial websites, not official government websites of the EU or the US. These sites exist for the purpose of making money for their owners by selling you visa and passport services you generally don't need. They're scams that try to fool you into thinking they're official sites by using logos that look similar to government logos and names that sound official. Anyone can create a website that purports to be "in the US for US citizens" 

 

US government sites are under the .gov domain and EU under europa.eu.

 

It's not that the information on these scam sites are always 100% incorrect. It's that you can't rely on them to be 100% correct.

Edited August 29, 2021 by njhorseman

[TinaLee]

16 minutes ago, njhorseman said:

ETIASeurope.eu is NOT an official EU website, so whether it's been updated since 2018 is irrelevant. Scroll down to the bottom of their web page and you'll see "EtiasEurope.eu is a private Website". 

 

Once again, official EU websites use the europa.eu domain. Look carefully...official sites are europa.eu, not europe.eu.

 

I'm discounting the two other sites you've mentioned because once again they are private commercial websites, not official government websites of the EU or the US. These sites exist for the purpose of making money for their owners by selling you visa and passport services you generally don't need. They're scams that try to fool you into thinking they're official sites by using logos that look similar to government logos and names that sound official. Anyone can create a website that purports to be "in the US for US citizens" 

 

US government sites are under the .gov domain and EU under europa.eu.

 

It's not that the information on these scam sites are always 100% incorrect. It's that you can't rely on them to be 100% correct.

okay... https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/smart-borders/etias_en is this website an acceptable source to you? Again, 

 

European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) 

 

Important notice

• The European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) is currently not in operation and no applications for travel authorisations are collected at this point.
• Applicants will be able to apply via an official website and/or app for mobile devices prior to the start of operation of ETIAS and will have to pay a fee of €7.
• The date from which travellers will be able to apply will be published on this web site.
• Please refer to the memo (PDF) for additional questions and answers on ETIAS.

[TinaLee]

Or... https://frontex.europa.eu/future-of-border-control/etias/

 

When?

The ETIAS Regulation was passed by the European Parliament on 5 July 2018. The adoption was formally confirmed by the Council of the EU on 5 September and officially signed by the two co-legislators on 12 September. It entered into force on 9 October 2018. The ETIAS legal framework is still in the course of completion with the European Commission’s Implementing and Delegated Acts. ETIAS is due to become operational by the end of 2022. 

[Cienfuegos]

"Due to become operational" sounds less than definitive.

 

should be interesting to watch this unfold.

[TinaLee]

And a search of the US State Department website - travel.state.gov turns up exactly zero references to ETIAS, so apparently this requirement is not even on their radar at the present time. 

[njhorseman]

20 minutes ago, TinaLee said:

okay... https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/smart-borders/etias_en is this website an acceptable source to you? Again, 

 

European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) 

 

 

Important notice

• The European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) is currently not in operation and no applications for travel authorisations are collected at this point.
• Applicants will be able to apply via an official website and/or app for mobile devices prior to the start of operation of ETIAS and will have to pay a fee of €7.
• The date from which travellers will be able to apply will be published on this web site.
• Please refer to the memo (PDF) for additional questions and answers on ETIAS.

That's exactly what I posted in post#10 of this thread. Please go back and read that post. Also note the two bullet points in the "Important Notice" that I've highlighted in red above.

Edited August 29, 2021 by njhorseman

[njhorseman]

6 minutes ago, Cienfuegos said:

"Due to become operational" sounds less than definitive.

 

should be interesting to watch this unfold.

It's like the REAL ID  drivers license in the US. Law was passed in 2005, was supposed to become effective in 2008 and has been pushed off innumerable times. The current implementation date is in 2023.

[njhorseman]

8 minutes ago, TinaLee said:

And a search of the US State Department website - travel.state.gov turns up exactly zero references to ETIAS, so apparently this requirement is not even on their radar at the present time. 

And it shouldn't be on its radar because if the EU doesn't know when it's going to implement its own program why would the US State Department?

[FlyerTalker]

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