liquor disappeared from food and beverages orders for upcoming cruise

[d12j28]

2 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

or cruise on casino offers for free.

I will, thanks.

 

Have to make it an Elite cruise to get those 2 bottles delivered to my room. 

 

 

[cruiserbrianj]

22 minutes ago, SwordBlazer Cruising said:

If you are very concerned with honesty, why don't you get mad or show your anger towards the thousands of fellow guests who are not honest, by smuggling alcohol onboard, giving alcohol to minors. That's the real problem. 

Getting mad or showing anger solves nothing. I'm not saying what you mentioned aren't problems, but that's not the topic of the post. 

[cruisingguy007]

5 hours ago, tmarquez said:

 

 

Sadly we will smuggle now and Carnival will lose more money.  We cruise to chill on our balcony and watch the ocean and for the ports.  I won't buy Cheers to lose money on it and I am on vacation and won't be leaving my balcony to go to a bar to get a drink. 

 

  

 

I'm sure you won't be the only one. If it ever got to that point for me I'd just choose another vacation option but I can certainly understand the conundrum. 

[Elaine5715]

2 hours ago, IntrepidFromDC said:

Agreed - this was one of several easy ways around the 15-drinks-per-day limit that Carnival loosely enforced.  My guess is they ran analytics on cabin numbers with violence-related complaints, referenced that data with in-cabin liquor purchase data and found a high correlation.

Or just "assumed" instead of addressing smuggling.  Because if Carnival mentioned that the overconsumption was due to smuggling, they would be admitting failure in catching smugglers and advertising it. Carnival does a poor job of discouraging rum runners.  You can walk down any hallway and see full bars in room and stewards know those aren't Funshop orders but want that tip.

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, Elaine5715 said:

Or just "assumed" instead of addressing smuggling.  Because if Carnival mentioned that the overconsumption was due to smuggling, they would be admitting failure in catching smugglers and advertising it. Carnival does a poor job of discouraging rum runners.  You can walk down any hallway and see full bars in room and stewards know those aren't Funshop orders but want that tip.

I expect Carnival cracking down on smuggling will be a hot topic in the future. It really isn't that hard to catch.

[Elaine5715]

1 hour ago, MScarn123 said:

Does anyone know of other cruise lines that offer in-room liquor? Or cruise lines that allow only one person to buy the beverage package?

There is another line that allows one adult to buy the liquor package but the second adult needs to buy a non alcoholic drink package but if you add the cost of those two packages, it is more expensive than CHEERS for two,

[Elaine5715]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

I expect Carnival cracking down on smuggling will be a hot topic in the future. It really isn't that hard to catch.

Not if they really wanted to...how many people post how they evade the beverage collection stop in ports?

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, Elaine5715 said:

Not if they really wanted to...how many people post how they evade the beverage collection stop in ports?

Right now security just calls out alcohol without saying how many bottles. They could easily stop that one. Have a lookout making sure people with alcohol stop at the table will catch more.

 

Some cruise lines have a written policy that you will be denied boarding if caught smuggling alcohol. Toss a passenger or two and word will get out.

 

What a pitiful indictment of society if Carnival has to waste resources on catching rule breakers.

[SwordBlazer Cruising]

29 minutes ago, cruiserbrianj said:

Getting mad or showing anger solves nothing. I'm not saying what you mentioned aren't problems, but that's not the topic of the post. 

You're correct but if you read most posts on this topic, one would assume everyone is a subject matter expert. You even said you wish the cruiseline would stop the BS. What BS? I am not as well by the way and chalk this announcement from them as a business decision and moved on. 

[cruisingguy007]

10 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Not if they really wanted to...how many people post how they evade the beverage collection stop in ports?

 

There are a plethora of ways to sneak on booze, some Carnival can't stop even if they wanted to. The bigger point is that it's much easier to have policies that discourage this type of behavior, ie affordable drinks, bottle service, drink packages ect, and capture these dollars rather than implementing policies that encourage them; and then spend the manpower/energy trying to curtail what you've created. It's counter-intuitive, unproductive and creates a hostile adversarial relationship with your customer base. Knowing your customer is key, and knowing the average Carnival customer, they are more than happy to play the game lol.   

Edited October 26, 2022 by cruisingguy007

[SwordBlazer Cruising]

14 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Or just "assumed" instead of addressing smuggling.  Because if Carnival mentioned that the overconsumption was due to smuggling, they would be admitting failure in catching smugglers and advertising it. Carnival does a poor job of discouraging rum runners.  You can walk down any hallway and see full bars in room and stewards know those aren't Funshop orders but want that tip.

And you can also find parents giving their minor children alcohol from bottles and watching them drink it from a cup that is not from the cruiseline. Its a problem all around and no decision will please everyone.

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

There are a plethora of ways to sneak on booze, some Carnival can't stop even if they wanted to.

Of course some will get through. It isn't worth the cost to catch all.

 

Backup could easily be:

(c) Guest agrees Carnival has, at all times with or without notice, the right to enter and search Guest’s stateroom, personal safe or storage spaces, or to search or screen any Guest, and/or personal effects, at any location, to ensure compliance with any of the restrictions set forth in this agreement. Any Guest who refuses any such search or screening may be denied boarding or disembarked and no refund of the cruise fare will be issued.

[1kaper]

 

2 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Of course some will get through. It isn't worth the cost to catch all.

 

Backup could easily be:

(c) Guest agrees Carnival has, at all times with or without notice, the right to enter and search Guest’s stateroom, personal safe or storage spaces, or to search or screen any Guest, and/or personal effects, at any location, to ensure compliance with any of the restrictions set forth in this agreement. Any Guest who refuses any such search or screening may be denied boarding or disembarked and no refund of the cruise fare will be issued.

 

You missed the other part of his point though.  "It's counter-intuitive, unproductive and creates a hostile adversarial relationship with your customer base."

Searching someone's room will definitely up the hostility. 
 

[cruisingguy007]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

Of course some will get through. It isn't worth the cost to catch all.

 

Backup could easily be:

(c) Guest agrees Carnival has, at all times with or without notice, the right to enter and search Guest’s stateroom, personal safe or storage spaces, or to search or screen any Guest, and/or personal effects, at any location, to ensure compliance with any of the restrictions set forth in this agreement. Any Guest who refuses any such search or screening may be denied boarding or disembarked and no refund of the cruise fare will be issued.

 

Yes, just kick everyone off the ships and deny everyone boarding, this is your undiplomatic solution to everything. Again I'll say, It's counter-intuitive, unproductive and creates a hostile adversarial relationship with your customer base. At some point you must look at the policies themselves and ask what purpose they serve, how effective are they and do they lead to the desired outcome that was hoped for.   

[BlerkOne]

10 minutes ago, 1kaper said:

 

 

You missed the other part of his point though.  "It's counter-intuitive, unproductive and creates a hostile adversarial relationship with your customer base."

Searching someone's room will definitely up the hostility. 
 

It has always been against the rules to smuggle alcohol onto the ship. Then Carnival started enforcing some. There was a similar knee jerk outcry and wining (sic). Carnival survived.

 

Carnival could ratchet it up a notch anytime and survive. The people already with Cheers or drinking on the casino aren't going to care and most of the rest will get over it.

 

Cheers used to be unlimited - then there was a limit. Most people got over it. There will be new cruisers to take the place of any who don't.

[tmarquez]

58 minutes ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

I'm sure you won't be the only one. If it ever got to that point for me I'd just choose another vacation option but I can certainly understand the conundrum. 

 

Ya I may in the future, I don't WANT to smuggle.  But I have one booked for next month and I wouldn't cancel over it.  

[seagoer1973]

We have our first Princess cruise booked also and I see you can pre purchase bottles.

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, seagoer1973 said:

We have our first Princess cruise booked also and I see you can pre purchase bottles.

It's a better deal to book with a liquor package included. Princess will even deliver drinks to your cabin with a package.

[cruisingguy007]

23 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

It has always been against the rules to smuggle alcohol onto the ship. Then Carnival started enforcing some. There was a similar knee jerk outcry and wining (sic). Carnival survived.

 

Carnival could ratchet it up a notch anytime and survive. The people already with Cheers or drinking on the casino aren't going to care and most of the rest will get over it.

 

Cheers used to be unlimited - then there was a limit. Most people got over it. There will be new cruisers to take the place of any who don't.

 

That may be fine when the books are in the black and your product is at the tops of it's game, this attitude when the books are severely in the red, your product has already been cut and they are fighting for survival isn't very prudent and is also as arrogant as it gets. There are other cruise lines and vacation options that can take the place of Carnival as well. Us folks who buy cheers regularly and those who cruise with drinks on us casino deals are a minority of passengers, ignoring the majority or taking them for granted may come back to bite. Just sayin.       

[Island Dog]

2 hours ago, MScarn123 said:

Does anyone know of other cruise lines that offer in-room liquor? Or cruise lines that allow only one person to buy the beverage package?

Princess (A Carnival brand) allows just one person in a stateroom to purchase a drink package. There is no stipulation for the other person in the cabin to purchase a non-alcoholic beverage package.

[SwordBlazer Cruising]

4 minutes ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

That may be fine when the books are in the black and your product is at the tops of it's game, this attitude when the books are severely in the red, your product has already been cut and they are fighting for survival isn't very prudent and is also as arrogant as it gets. There are other cruise lines and vacation options that can take the place of Carnival as well. Us folks who buy cheers regularly and those who cruise with drinks on us casino deals are a minority of passengers, ignoring the majority or taking them for granted may come back to bite. Just sayin.       

In my opinion it's not arrogant, its one step to curb a trend onboard, which is large fighting happening. In my opinion what's arrogant are my fellow guests who feel entitled, smuggle and do whatever they want in order to circumvent the rules. I would not be suprised to see Cheers be reduced as well, maybe to 12 drinks per day. No one on this forum, including me really knows the full reasons. We all speculate. 

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, Island Dog said:

Princess (A Carnival brand) allows just one person in a stateroom to purchase a drink package. There is no stipulation for the other person in the cabin to purchase a non-alcoholic beverage package.

Better deal to buy the bundled deal with liquor package, internet, gratuities, etc. Even if one person doesn't drink alcohol.

 

The package includes sparkling or still bottled water (500ml or less), fountain sodas, juices, specialty coffees and teas, Frappés at Coffee & Cones, and Red Bull energy drinks.

[hard_eight]

I usually purchase a bottle or two for the room so I don't have to drag my arse down to a bar for a drink when I just want to enjoy the balcony. I bet there's an uptick in RumRunner sales. 

[hard_eight]

LOL still selling mixers I see...Why!?

[cruisingguy007]

14 minutes ago, SwordBlazer Cruising said:

In my opinion it's not arrogant, its one step to curb a trend onboard, which is large fighting happening. In my opinion what's arrogant are my fellow guests who feel entitled, smuggle and do whatever they want in order to circumvent the rules. I would not be suprised to see Cheers be reduced as well, maybe to 12 drinks per day. No one on this forum, including me really knows the full reasons. We all speculate. 

 

Your response is conflating two separate issues, my response was to Blerk's specific comment, not the actual subject of this thread. It is indeed arrogant. Smuggling and how much one should/could drink are byproducts of the discussion and merit their own points. You've commingled several points and juxtaposed a position.

 

That said, yes, rules should be followed but should also be examined for efficacy and results, both intended and unintended. I also doubt cheers will be cut down, it wouldn't make much sense, fiscally or otherwise. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by cruisingguy007