B2B and the PVSA

[DallasGuy75219]

On 5/15/2024 at 11:38 AM, TRLD said:

Cannot think of any other port with cruises coming from and going to US ports with enough traffic to have multiple ships from the same cruise line in port.

Definitely Miami.

 

But it's not so much the number of ships in port as the number of one-way itineraries, particularly (1) repositioning cruises at the beginning and end of the Alaska season and (2) the weekly one-way cruises between Vancouver and Alaska.

[TRLD]

51 minutes ago, DallasGuy75219 said:

Definitely Miami.

 

But it's not so much the number of ships in port as the number of one-way itineraries, particularly (1) repositioning cruises at the beginning and end of the Alaska season and (2) the weekly one-way cruises between Vancouver and Alaska.

Not the same Miami is a US port going to foreign ports or loop cruises.

 

Vancouver is a foreign port with cruises going to different US ports. 

 

 

Edited May 16 by TRLD

[cruisinsince75]

On 5/14/2024 at 7:42 PM, eclue said:

They need to abolish the PVSA  - it is outdated and serves no purpose today. I have had two trips ruined because of it.

 

I totally agree!

[cruisinsince75]

On 5/15/2024 at 9:44 AM, suzyed said:

OK, this is from the horse's mouth AFTER I had already booked a B2B on Discovery LA>Vancouver>Alaska>Seattle online:
 

Good Afternoon,

 

These back-to-back voyages violate what is called the Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA). PVSA prohibits ships from embarking in one US port and disembarking in a different US port. The only exception to this rule would allow passengers to be transported between two U.S. ports if the cruise itinerary includes a port call at a "distant foreign port". Distant foreign ports do not include Canada, Mexico, Central America, Bermuda and most Caribbean islands. South America and the ABC islands (Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao) do qualify as distant foreign ports. 

 

Unfortunately Princess.com only views reservations as their own individual voyages and does not take the guest’s back-to-back voyages as a whole into consideration. However our reservation system does run reports weekly to identify reservations that would violate the PVSA and advises us to notify the guest.

 

We understand you’ve already opted to cancel both bookings, but still wanted to provide this insight for future reference.

 

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused,

 

Guest Services

 

 

Princess Cruises

24305 Town Center Drive,

Santa Clarita, CA 91355

Thank you for posting this.  It makes sense now on why Repo or Panama Canal cruises stop have a stop in the ABC islands or South America (Columbia).

[suzyed]

52 minutes ago, TRLD said:

Not the same Miami is a US port going to foreign ports or loop cruises.

 

Vancouver is a foreign port with cruises going to different US ports. 

 

 

But it's not a DISTANT foreign port, surprisingly.  I tried to tell them is was very distant from Florida where we live! They weren't buying it! LOL!

[cr8tiv1]

Distant foreign port "usually" means a different continent (ABC islands/South America).  Near means the same (North American/Hawaii/Ensenada. North America, Alaska, Victoria).  In case of Florida, some of the Caribbean Islands count as "near".

[TRLD]

25 minutes ago, cr8tiv1 said:

Distant foreign port "usually" means a different continent (ABC islands/South America).  Near means the same (North American/Hawaii/Ensenada. North America, Alaska, Victoria).  In case of Florida, some of the Caribbean Islands count as "near".

Most of the Caribbean islands are near. The ABC islands are far.

[cr8tiv1]

Correct, that is why the Caribbean Islands satisfy the Near Foreign Port for closed loops out of FLL, Miami, TX, New Orleans, Tampa, etc.

 

AND ABC Islands satisfy Distant Foreign Ports for Ocean to Ocean Panama Canal crossings.