Smoking

[Rheaya]

There has to be a market for it! It may take some getting used to, but if cruise lines would just stick to it in a couple years people would get used to it.

 

I like in Waterloo, Ontario and here you can't smoke anywhere cept 10 feet from the enterence to buildings or your own home. Like I said I got spoiled living here, I just wish other places would catch on

[dforeigner]

Hi There,

 

I read a lot about the smoking issue, what I do not understand is that having done a few OK quite a few cruises smokers do not cause any real problems. Its not because they are nice people its because there are so few of them, there will be one or two chain smokers and some bloke with a cigar that produces more smoke than the ship.

 

So this being the case why not just ban smoking from all cruse ships on health and safety grounds, the less things that can cause a fire on the ship the better.

 

Now as people spend a lot of time shore they can light up as much as they want until the laws catch up with them..

 

England will ban smoking at work, inside buildings etc next year, Scotland is a head of England and is already looking at banning smoking from parks or play areas where children could be present.

 

Many health boards , universities ban smoking even in car parks and gardens.

 

It is only a matter of time before smoking on cruise ships is banned.

 

My own view as the study in Dundee showed bar works health improved greatly and very quickly when they worked in non smoking bars so for that reason smoking should go.

 

 

yours Shogun

 

Yo Sergeant, unfortunately, there are those who will not stop smoking for any reason. In addition, there are those who just cannot get rid of the habit. I have seen many pregnant women continue smoking during their gestational period. I have also seen many individuals with chronic emphysema who are attached to an oxygen tank (not the concentrator type) and are still smoking. Even after they suffered severe facial burns from smoking while attached to an oxygen cannula. For the sake of argument, lets say WHO/ CDC, cruise lines, etc, bans smoking on all cruise ships. Do you think everyone would be able to abide by this after being out at sea for more that 24 hrs?

[chasetf]

There has to be a market for it! It may take some getting used to, but if cruise lines would just stick to it in a couple years people would get used to it. I like in Waterloo, Ontario and here you can't smoke anywhere cept 10 feet from the enterence to buildings or your own home. Like I said I got spoiled living here, I just wish other places would catch on

The rest of the world will get caught up.. I was surprised when we were in Montreal a couple of years ago and saw what is required to be printed on cigarette packs. The pictures were quite graphic of the diseased lungs.

[chasetf]

Yo Sergeant, unfortunately, there are those who will not stop smoking for any reason. In addition, there are those who just cannot get rid of the habit. I have seen many pregnant women continue smoking during their gestational period. I have also seen many individuals with chronic emphysema who are attached to an oxygen tank (not the concentrator type) and are still smoking. Even after they suffered severe facial burns from smoking while attached to an oxygen cannula. For the sake of argument, lets say WHO/ CDC, cruise lines, etc, bans smoking on all cruise ships. Do you think everyone would be able to abide by this after being out at sea for more that 24 hrs?

They said the same thing when smoking was banned on airplanes. They said the public will not be able to fly 4,6,10,...15 hrs without being able to light up. When they have to and want to fly, then they will. Maybe the first step the cruise lines will take is to ban it in the cabins and inside rooms, and make the smokers take it outside. ;)

[dforeigner]

They said the same thing when smoking was banned on airplanes. They said the public will not be able to fly 4,6,10,...15 hrs without being able to light up. When they have to and want to fly, then they will. Maybe the first step the cruise lines will take is to ban it in the cabins and inside rooms, and make the smokers take it outside. ;)

 

Valid point. I do recall New York City restaurant and bars owners complaining that if a smoking ban ever took effect, their profits would suffer. The result from the smoking ban in NYC is that the profits for these establishments actually went up.

Unfortunately, in a plane you have nowhere to hide in order to light up. If you go to the restrooms, an alarm will go off. On board the ship, it would be somewhat more difficult to enforce. For instance, people smoking illegal substances while in their cabins and/or balconies. Patrons who have smelled this and reported it have more often than not been told that there is nothing they (cruise line employees) can do. Maybe because they (employees) are afraid of reprisals.

[flutepilot]

Unfortunately, in a plane you have nowhere to hide in order to light up. If you go to the restrooms, an alarm will go off. On board the ship, it would be somewhat more difficult to enforce. For instance, people smoking illegal substances while in their cabins and/or balconies. Patrons who have smelled this and reported it have more often than not been told that there is nothing they (cruise line employees) can do. Maybe because they (employees) are afraid of reprisals.

 

I can't remember which one, but at least one cruise line has designated smoking areas, and you are not allowed to smke either in staterooms or on verandas. If you are caught, you are put off at the next port.

 

I know - another smoker bashing thread, but having a no smoking area in a restaurant is like having a no peeing area in a pool. Everything from the other area just comes across.:eek:

 

Dan

[morriscats]

I think the non smoking cruise ship failed because it did not vary the itinerary. If more people don't smoke then why can't the cruise lines make a ship for each itinerary smoking and the rest non? Living in CA, even the theme parks have a designated smoking area and that is it. I even saw Gloria Alred, the Attorney, on TV talking about Foster Parents not being able to smoke and have foster children because it is potentially harmful to them. Non smokers have had to endure smoke filled rooms on cruise lines just to cruise. Isn't it about time the cruise lines started thinking about the health of their passengers and prohibit smoking in all enclosed spaces??

[PurpleCow]

I can't remember which one, but at least one cruise line has designated smoking areas, and you are not allowed to smoke either in staterooms or on verandas. If you are caught, you are put off at the next port.

That would be Oceania. There are two places on the ships that allow smoking, a corner of one of the lounges and a corner on the pool deck, well away from the pool. Strictly enforced.

[chasetf]

Unfortunately, in a plane you have nowhere to hide in order to light up. If you go to the restrooms, an alarm will go off. On board the ship, it would be somewhat more difficult to enforce. For instance, people smoking illegal substances while in their cabins and/or balconies. Patrons who have smelled this and reported it have more often than not been told that there is nothing they (cruise line employees) can do. Maybe because they (employees) are afraid of reprisals.

True you do not have people confined on a ships like an airplane, but as the poster below notes, it can be done.

That would be Oceania. There are two places on the ships that allow smoking, a corner of one of the lounges and a corner on the pool deck, well away from the pool. Strictly enforced.

The strickly enforced part is the key to success. It is just a matter of making the smokers aware of where they are welcomed and not welcomed. ;) Happens now as smokings restrictions are enacted for places like bars and restaraunts.

[dkjretired]

I think the non smoking cruise ship failed because it did not vary the itinerary. If more people don't smoke then why can't the cruise lines make a ship for each itinerary smoking and the rest non? Living in CA, even the theme parks have a designated smoking area and that is it. I even saw Gloria Alred, the Attorney, on TV talking about Foster Parents not being able to smoke and have foster children because it is potentially harmful to them. Non smokers have had to endure smoke filled rooms on cruise lines just to cruise. Isn't it about time the cruise lines started thinking about the health of their passengers and prohibit smoking in all enclosed spaces??

 

The non smoking ship was the Carnival Paradise and it failed because it did not generate the income expected in the Casino or from Alchohol. If you go to land based casinos you will see very small non-smoking areas and they are infrequently used. I know in Atlantic City there used to be a lot of non-smoking areas but they are limited now due to lack of use.

[breenw]

There are always going to be 2 sides to this story, but I bid to differ with the above poster re: decreased alcohol/gambling. I am an avid non-smoker and I and my husband do our fair share of drinking. Gambling - well, I would certainly do more if I could stand the heavy smoke that goes on in the casinos. I try to go and gamble when it isn't too crowded, or gamble near an exit area where there is more air coming in. If a smoker sits down next to me, I just get up and go somewhere else. I realize they are allowed to smoke in there, so I cannot say anything about that. But, I do wish there was an area in the casinos for non-smokers. Smokers also don't think about the fact that if, for instance, I go into the casino to gamble, sit next to a smoker for a few minutes, then leave to go back to my cabin - my clothes, hair, etc. all smell like cigarettes. As all of you non-smokers know, that just adds to the frustration of having to be around cigarette smokers.

 

We were on a cruise with RCCL a couple of years ago and had a horrible experience with our room. Someone had smoked a cigar in there and the stench was unbearable. Even the people across the hall (they were smokers), could smell the cigar smoke in their doorway. We went round and round with RCCL to change our room. They finally did on our 2nd day on board, but it really soured the experience for that trip. The rest of the time, we have been fortunate to not smell smoke in our room.

 

I may not agree with smoking, but if a person wants to smoke - it is certainly their choice. I just get tired of the smokers not acknowledging that cigarette smoke is not only harmful to others, but disgusting to smell if you are a non-smoker.

[dkjretired]

There are always going to be 2 sides to this story, but I bid to differ with the above poster re: decreased alcohol/gambling.

 

 

Sorry but I was only reporting what Carnival said at the time they changed the ship from a non-smoking to a smoking ship. The other items were my observations but the Carnival report is factual.... I don't smoke so I don't have a dog in the hunt....

[mochuck]

I'm not American and I'm not a smoker, so can someone explain to me how a whole town can be non smoking.

[rebeljohn]

I'm not American and I'm not a smoker, so can someone explain to me how a whole town can be non smoking.

 

The only town that may be totally non-smoking would be a town full of gasoline refineries...........I guess........:)

[dforeigner]

The only town that may be totally non-smoking would be a town full of gasoline refineries...........I guess........:)

 

Well, people are still smoking in Houston:eek: .

[caribbean dreams]

I'm not American and I'm not a smoker, so can someone explain to me how a whole town can be non smoking.

 

 

The whole town is not non smoking, people still smoke, they just can't in public places like resturants and bars ect...they can still go out back and have a smoke.

[LHP]

There are always going to be 2 sides to this story, but I bid to differ with the above poster re: decreased alcohol/gambling.

 

 

Sorry but I was only reporting what Carnival said at the time they changed the ship from a non-smoking to a smoking ship. The other items were my observations but the Carnival report is factual.... I don't smoke so I don't have a dog in the hunt....

 

The Paradise did make money, but it did not make "enough" money. No one would expect a corporation to run a ship that lost money, but just because it did not meet the MARS of the other ships (or corporate expectations) was not a reason to cancel it. Lots of corporations in America could make a lot "more" money, if they did not have to worry about health and safety standards.

 

Yes, it was harder to book because it basically eliminated the group bookings (there is always a smoker in a group).

 

Carnival would have been much smarter to have built the Paradise with a "smoking room" in the smoke stack and limited smoking to up there.

And move the ship to a more centrally located port, since a greater number of cruisers are now driving (not flying) to their destinations.

 

But it was just easier to give up. Someone mentioned WHO. There was a report last February that went before the council about second hand smoke and the affects on non smoking employees from 3rd world countries who go back home to barbaric (or no treatments at all) for cancer. And yes, they mainly blamed the "evil" rich Americans who cruise.

[newmexicoNita]

I am a non smoker and I really dislike the smell of smoke and the way it makes me feel:(. I have been to many resorts that have non smoking rooms. So my first question is for those non smokers out there, Do you typically notice the smell of smoke when you walk into your stateroom? And if you do, is there anything you can do about it? Like talk to your stateroom attendant to get it aired out or something? I imagine this is especially difficult it you have an inside cabin.

 

My second would be, why don't they have specific non smoking staterooms? I can't be the only one who does want to spend a week in a smoke infested room. I guess living in a smoke free town has really spoiled me. Anyone know of any petitions or any way to suggest to the lines themselves to at the very least get non smoking rooms, if not get back the non smoking ships?

 

And no offence to those smokers out there, but you have the right to choose to smoke I would like to have the same right to not have to deal with smoke.

I haven't read the other replys yet but I will give you our experience. I do smoke, rarely, but when I am playing slots is one time I do: that being said I don't like a smokey cabin and have only once had a problem. Most of the time you can't smell the smoke at all but on our last cruise on HAL is was pretty bad. Ok, after being in the cabin about 10 minutes but when we first walked in: WOW> DH asked twice if they could spraw of something: both times they said the would, 10 days and it never got better.

 

As for non smoking ships: you must be aware it was tried and failed badly!!! Most ships have gone with non smoking areas pretty much thoughout the ship. Some have even limited smoking in the casinos or certainly on certain nights. The smoking issue will be debated for years to come: My feeling has been and always will be, everyone has to work together on this. Eventually smoking will be a thing of the past but that could be several more years. Smokers do have to be considerate of non smokers, but non smokers have to bend a little as well to realize, as long as it isn't illegal smokers have some rights as well. NMnita