smoking policies

[puli]

Does anyone know exactly what the 'new' or "still the same" smoking policies are on the major cruies line; particularly regarding cabins and their respective balconies?

 

I have read that Carnival does NOT allow smoking in cabins etc.(hard to believe since other lines of that same group still do), and that Celebrity will not as well come October 2008. I believe several others are as strict but I cannot find an accurate list.

[cb at sea]

RCI no longer allows smoking in the cabins, but still allows it on the balconies and in designated "smoking" areas.

I think most lines are getting away from cabin smoking.

[LHT28]

This may help but you may have to check each cruise lines website for the most up to date policy

http://www.cruisecritic.com/features/articles.cfm?ID=225

[puli]

Thanks, That is very helpful!

[Texas_Diver]

Smoking policies are definitely headed in the right direction!

 

Hopefully it won't be too much longer before cruise lines learn that cigarette smoke is a known carcinogen and prohibit it all together!

 

D.

[CruisnGram]

Smoking policies are definitely headed in the right direction!

 

Hopefully it won't be too much longer before cruise lines learn that cigarette smoke is a known carcinogen and prohibit it all together!

 

D.

 

*sigh* Yet another person who wants to force the entire world to do things his/her way. Can't imagine why ships having designated smoking areas, isn't good enough. As long as those carcinogen's can't get to you, why do you care? And why do you demand that it has to be what you want with no regard to other people's desires/opinions? I suppose alcohol should be banned too since it causes more deaths (drunk driving accidents) then smoking every year.

[Texas_Diver]

*sigh* Yet another person who wants to force the entire world to do things his/her way. Can't imagine why ships having designated smoking areas, isn't good enough. As long as those carcinogen's can't get to you, why do you care? And why do you demand that it has to be what you want with no regard to other people's desires/opinions? I suppose alcohol should be banned too since it causes more deaths (drunk driving accidents) then smoking every year.

 

ROFL...you must be a smoker.

 

D.

[mtwingcpa]

Can't imagine why ships having designated smoking areas, isn't good enough. As long as those carcinogen's can't get to you, why do you care?

 

That would be true if the designated smoking areas were all "sealed" with separate ventilation systems. But that doesn't appear to be the case on cruise ships. Many of us non-smokers simply want the same quality of facilities that we would find on dry land under applicable state laws (which cruise ships can generally avoid).

[PMBARBARA]

You can still smoke in the staterooms. My bathroom had a ashtray mounted on the wall, or you can just ask the steward for one.

Carnival tried a non smoking ship, the Paradise I think, and that just didn't last. The booze and gambling arenas seem to suffer without the smokers.

[molly361]

I was just reading someone's post on the Independence of the Seas and they said that the only bar you could smoke in was the disco- I thought RCI was a little more liberal with their smoking areas. The reviewer also said the casino was smoke free

[boaterette]

Smoking policies are definitely headed in the right direction!

 

Hopefully it won't be too much longer before cruise lines learn that cigarette smoke is a known carcinogen and prohibit it all together!

 

D.

 

Perfume has some 600 or so known carcinogens. Hopefully the cruise lines will ban it also.

[Texas_Diver]

Perfume has some 600 or so known carcinogens. Hopefully the cruise lines will ban it also.

 

That idea works for me!

 

D.

[CruisnGram]

ROFL...you must be a smoker.

 

D.

 

Or perhaps just someone who believes that in America, adults have the right to choose what they want to do, or not do, as long as it is within the laws and does not harm others. Like it or not, smoking is a legal product and if it is done outdoors, or in a smoking area, it should be of no concern to those who do not smoke. But simply because they don't like the smell, even if out on an open deck, they want to infringe on the rights of others just to please themselves.

 

Btw, what about this topic has you rolling on the floor laughing? Perhaps thinking that you were belittling me as you assumed I was a smoker? That's very nice of you...to laugh at another because you disagree with something that they do. Says quite a lot.

[mtwingcpa]

Like it or not, smoking is a legal product and if it is done outdoors, or in a smoking area, it should be of no concern to those who do not smoke.

 

Speaking of what is "legal," many states have public smoking laws that are far more restrictive than what you've outlined. I would be perfectly happy if the laws of my home state applied on board. That would basically require no smoking indoors (unless in a special sealed room), at least 75% of cabins designated as non-smoking, and no smoking outdoors within 25 feet of doorways, openable windows or ventilation equipment.

 

The evolution of such laws in my state indicates that merely posting a sign declaring a particular area to be "smoking" or "non" does NOT adequately deal with the problem. Rather, the only way to successfully deal with it is by providing effective PHYSICAL barriers and boundaries.

[CruisnGram]

Speaking of what is "legal," many states have public smoking laws that are far more restrictive than what you've outlined. I would be perfectly happy if the laws of my home state applied on board. That would basically require no smoking indoors (unless in a special sealed room), at least 75% of cabins designated as non-smoking, and no smoking outdoors within 25 feet of doorways, openable windows or ventilation equipment.

 

The evolution of such laws in my state indicates that merely posting a sign declaring a particular area to be "smoking" or "non" does NOT adequately deal with the problem. Rather, the only way to successfully deal with it is by providing effective PHYSICAL barriers and boundaries.

 

I would agree with 99% of what your wrote. Would take exception to "at least 75% of the cabins be non smoking". I would suggest one side of the ship cabins be smoking, one non smoking and fore and aft cabins be non smoking. That would probably be more like 60-40 instead of 75-25.

 

As far as smoking out on decks, I would think that it would be a simple matter for ships to place ashtrays in areas that are away from doors, windows and ventilation areas.

 

My only point here is that if people look at the problem reasonably, (as you have) there is a solution that can accomodate everyone.

[Texas_Diver]

Speaking of what is "legal," many states have public smoking laws that are far more restrictive than what you've outlined. I would be perfectly happy if the laws of my home state applied on board. That would basically require no smoking indoors (unless in a special sealed room), at least 75% of cabins designated as non-smoking, and no smoking outdoors within 25 feet of doorways, openable windows or ventilation equipment.

 

The evolution of such laws in my state indicates that merely posting a sign declaring a particular area to be "smoking" or "non" does NOT adequately deal with the problem. Rather, the only way to successfully deal with it is by providing effective PHYSICAL barriers and boundaries.

 

Well written!

 

D.

[chasetf]

*sigh* Yet another person who wants to force the entire world to do things his/her way. .

*sigh* too.... No we just do not want you inflicting us with your habit.

*Can't imagine why ships having designated smoking areas, isn't good enough. As long as those carcinogen's can't get to you, why do you care? .

Problem is those carcinogens do get to us when you are puffing up wind from us on your balcony.

*And why do you demand that it has to be what you want with no regard to other people's desires/opinions? .

It is the age old adage.... The right of your fist ends at the beginning of my nose. ;)

*I suppose alcohol should be banned too since it causes more deaths (drunk driving accidents) then smoking every year.

Aw.. the bloody shirt argument. We do ban alchohol..... in cars. Your choice to poision your liver with alcohol does not affect my liver. Your chose to poision your lungs with cigarettes does affect my lungs....... unless you don't exhale. :D

 

Sorry the wave of the future in overcoming you. Smoking will not be banned on cruise ships..... but they will continue to be severly limited....... It is just a fact of life all over the world.

[blindrid]

Does anyone know exactly what the 'new' or "still the same" smoking policies are on the major cruies line; particularly regarding cabins and their respective balconies?

 

I have read that Carnival does NOT allow smoking in cabins etc.(hard to believe since other lines of that same group still do), and that Celebrity will not as well come October 2008. I believe several others are as strict but I cannot find an accurate list.

 

As the reason for this post is to seek an answer instead of getting into an endless debate, the only way you can really see what is up to date is the lines' website. It doesn't mean it won't change by the time you cruise. Your comment regarding Carnival and her sister lines are correct: the various lines will have different policies within the same company.

 

Maybe everyone will get used to answering the question instead of stealing the thread.

[mtwingcpa]

I would agree with 99% of what your wrote. Would take exception to "at least 75% of the cabins be non smoking". I would suggest one side of the ship cabins be smoking, one non smoking and fore and aft cabins be non smoking. That would probably be more like 60-40 instead of 75-25.

 

I'd guess that the cruise lines have all kinds of statistics regarding the ratio of smokers to non on their various itineraries and could make reasonable allocations IF THEY WANTED TO. Based on what I've experienced, the partitioning would need to follow the existing physical boundaries within the ship, such as groups of cabins on one side or the other, as well as between stairwells. I'd guess that you would start by positioning the smoking cabins at the rear of the ship on both sides and then move forward along one side. But, as noted, the cutoff point would have to be at some physical boundary (such as a stairwell) to mitigate the hallway smoke issue (which is one of my major "gripes").

 

The problem is, it appears that the cruise lines would resist this kind of partitioning because it reeks havoc with their current marketing strategies (such as upgrades and upsells, etc.) and therefore I don't see this happening unless some "law" imposes it on them. On the other hand, I've heard unsubstantiated rumors that some lines are thinking of discontinuing upgrades and upsells, so who knows what we may see in the future. But, so far at least, the lines appear to be going 100% one way or the other as far as cabin and balcony smoking is concerned. Going 100% non-smoking certainly works for ME, but ultimately I'm not sure that it represents a sensible policy.

 

As far as smoking out on decks, I would think that it would be a simple matter for ships to place ashtrays in areas that are away from doors, windows and ventilation areas.

 

On deck, I would suggest making one side plus the entire aft area smoking; the other side plus the bow would be non. It looks like this practice (with some modifications) is already followed on many lines. Sadly, it was NOT followed by NCL on my recent cruise with them. I was disappointed to find that I could not walk the entire length of the ship without encountering smoke.

[LHT28]

The OP asked a question

It was answered.

Move on!!!

 

No need to debate the issues of smoking or non smoking it has been done on several other threads

[mtwingcpa]

The OP asked a question

It was answered.

Move on!!!

 

No need to debate the issues of smoking or non smoking it has been done on several other threads

 

Are you a forum moderator?

[ThePatientOne]

Oh WOW.. Did someone open a can of worms here...:eek:

Carnival has NOT changed their smoking policy,, Port side is non and Starboard side is smoking.. Cabins can still be smoked in..

RCCL has changed theirs.. There are not too many places to smoke on a RCCL ship..

With all that said..

For you non-smokers.. I, as a smoker, will attempt not to infringe on your rights as a non-smoker..

However

If I am in a place that I am allowed to smoke, be it on a ship or on shore, AND you should venture into my space, that is your choice, as it is my choice to smoke.

I choose NOT to sail with RCCL due to their smoking policy, I choose to sail with CCL for the same reason..

You see folks, it is all about choices..

[CruisnGram]

the bloody shirt argument. We do ban alchohol..... in cars. Your choice to poision your liver with alcohol does not affect my liver. Your chose to poision your lungs with cigarettes does affect my lungs....... unless you don't exhale. :D

 

Sorry the wave of the future in overcoming you. Smoking will not be banned on cruise ships..... but they will continue to be severly limited....... It is just a fact of life all over the world.

 

Regarding alcohol not harming anyone but the drinker; tell that to my brother who lost his dear wife to a drunk behind the wheel.

 

No one is arguing that smoking should be limited. There is a huge difference between limiting, and banning altogether. There are solutions to satisfy everyone.

[chasetf]

......Regarding alcohol not harming anyone but the drinker; tell that to my brother who lost his dear wife to a drunk behind the wheel..

I agree.... Both situations are tragic.... those lost to drunk drivers and those lost to second hand smoke.

......No one is arguing that smoking should be limited. There is a huge difference between limiting, and banning altogether. There are solutions to satisfy everyone.

I never said it should be banned. I think we are just discussing the limits that are put on it for the sake of non-smokers. So I guess it is just matter of degree that is in question. ;)

[blindrid]

Are you a forum moderator?

 

Should be, that way we would not get into the endless dribble that goes on here........Agree, question asked and answered.......