Are rules meant to be broken???

[Pegs222]

Yeah...I have to agree. Here is a recent example, thirty days for killing someone while driving drunk. All too often justice is for sale in our nation.:(

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?prov=ap&slug=ap-stallworth-pedestriankilled&type=lgns

 

As much as I agree with you about the football player, it really has nothing to do with rules set in place by our host AKA, CCL. We are a guest on their ship; a guest in their home so to speak. They have set their rules in place either for security reasons or because they think that it is something that is good for all. A child of 8 is not allowed some place on the ship for a reason. The child and or parent does not have to like the rules but the rules are set in place for a reason. We have our rules in our home and they may or probably do differ when we are guest some place else. Yes, we pay for the service they give us, but it is still their home and we are a guest in it.

 

I think if anyone would take a child of 8 into a place that they are not welcome is condoning that breaking the rules is OK for them. They are instilling in their child how to break the rules at a very early age. That is probably why we have so many on this board that like to break the rules, go against what CCL wants to enforce. Be it bringing a load of booze on the ship to bringing someone to the Past Guest Party.

 

If you want to show a child how to break the rules, just let them on this board for a day or two.

[Drew B]

First of all, everyone breaks rules. Or, if you want to debate that, you’ll have to concede that 95+% of people break rules. If the speed limit is 30 mph, almost no one drives at or under 30. Most drive 35 or maybe 40. Of course, it depends on the circumstances, but on an "average" roadway with a 30 mph speed limit, there are very few people driving at or below 30 and the vast majority driving at 31 mph or more. They are all breaking not just a "rule", but the law.

 

Yes, people speed. Hopefully they don't tell the cops they want to drive 35 or 40 in a 30 MPH zone and then whine and complain when the cops say "no"...

 

When you consider rules, you have to think about the principle behind the rule. What is it trying to accomplish? Is it there for safety, for “fairness”, to keep things running smoothly, or for some other reason? If you understand the reason for the rule and want/need to break the rule, but can still achieve the desired outcome of the rule, then it’s probably not a big deal to break the rule. If you don’t understand the reason for the rule, then you should do some research, or just follow the rule. You never know what harm you might be inflicting if you break a rule that you don’t understand in the first place.

 

I disagree with this. A rule established by somebody in authority to make a rule should be respected. If I have a rule that people cannot wear shoes in my house, then I expect guests to follow that or not come over. And the reasons behind why I set the rules are really none of their business. Somebody may assume that the rule is meant to keep my carpets clean and feel that if their shoes are immaculate, that they should be able to wear them. Guess what. They can't! It's the rule!

[nancydee]

I am going on a cruise in less than 2 weeks (YAY) with my 14 yr old DD.

She is a year ahead in school and all of her friends are 15 or 16.

She knows she has to go with the 12-14 yr old age group on the ship. She said she will give it a try but told me if she feels like she is babysitting the 12 yr olds then she will just hang with me.

Neither of us would even think to ask (demand) that she go into a higher club.

She is very much like me - Go with the flow and make the best of it!:D

[Scott_F]

I have a rule... leave young children at home! :) Solves that Camp Carnival problem pretty damn quick.

[nancydee]

I have a rule... leave young children at home! :) Solves that Camp Carnival problem pretty damn quick.

 

You don't have children do you Scott?

[bigcraig]

I have a rule... leave young children at home! :) Solves that Camp Carnival problem pretty damn quick.

For me my children always come first

[afcj1]

The focus of the post was to bring attention to the age parameters that CCL has put in place for Camp Carnival, Circle C, etc. As we all know AGE restrictions are put in place as guidelines for age appropriate activities. My son was always "more mature" for his age and because of that, he was never interested in going to the Camps. That's the choice between you and your child(ren), take it or leave it.

 

Age limitiations are part of the program, as is drinking on board (21) and gambling on board or attending the adults only show (18). Would you want CCL to serve your teenager a beer or glass of wine because you allow it at home or for them to be in the casino because he/she's "mature" enough to gamble. I can just imagine the screaming that would go on if little Billy or Suzy were only 10 and they were able to watch a PG13 movie.

 

Heck, I'm not 55 yet, but can I use the senior discount anyway?:eek::rolleyes:

 

Age restrictions are a must to follow and should be enforced.

[yakdaddy42]

Those of you who take the ridgid approach to the OP's question, consider some laws that are currently on the books in the state of Nebraska and ask yourself if you want such rules (laws) enforced. Note that there are similar statutes in every state.

 

Nebraska Stupid laws

 

 

Better teach your kids a few new church tricks in Nebraska…

A parent can be arrested if his child cannot hold back a burp during a church service.

 

The owner of every hotel in Hastings, Nebraska, is required to provide each guest with a clean and pressed nightshirt. No couple, even if they are married, may sleep together in the nude. Nor may they have sex unless they are wearing one of these clean, white cotton nightshirts.

 

Nebraska stupid and crazy laws by county

 

* Doughnut holes may not be sold. (Lehigh)

* Sneezing or burping is illegal during a church service. (Omaha)

* A man is not allowed to run around with a shaved chest. (Omaha)

* Barbers are forbidden from eating onions between 7 A.M. and 7 P.M. (Waterloo)

 

Our stupid city (Yakima Washington) just enacted a law making it a crime to have a womans thong showing above her pant line, forgetting the stupid gangbangers and there droopy drawers in the law.

 

The mayor that pushed it thru is a pastor of the biggest church in town and soon to lose his next bid at mayor.

[Scott_F]

You don't have children do you Scott?

 

actually, I do. notice the winkey smiley face?

 

I think that there are just certain ages for certain events that don't mix well. I've been to Disney multiple times only to see young couples carting along their 2 year old that is cranky and quite oblivious to the entire experience.

 

I have a 1 year old grandson that my daughter had contemplated bringing on our cruise this past week. My wife would have loved it. But, my daughter and son in law needed a break and we were glad to be able to give it to them. Bank of Dad was open for business. :)

 

I think if a kid is 6 or 7, a cruise or disney can be a special thing. Camp Carnival seemed to be really doing a great job from my limited observation. I just think that if you have other grandparents that can help by keeping the little ones, it's awesome. Not all of us are so blessed.

 

My comment was tongue in cheek humor at best. THe internet is certainly a challenge when reading intent into the written word.

[petro772]

They are?

 

Haven't you noticed? ;)

[BlueJacketsFan1]

You just can't make some people happy, no matter what you do. This is why I don't give the really bad reviews much thought. There seem to be more and more out there you just love to hear themselves complaining all the time.

[G'ma]

Those of you who take the ridgid approach to the OP's question, consider some laws that are currently on the books in the state of Nebraska and ask yourself if you want such rules (laws) enforced. Note that there are similar statutes in every state.

 

Nebraska Stupid laws

 

 

Better teach your kids a few new church tricks in Nebraska…

A parent can be arrested if his child cannot hold back a burp during a church service.

 

The owner of every hotel in Hastings, Nebraska, is required to provide each guest with a clean and pressed nightshirt. No couple, even if they are married, may sleep together in the nude. Nor may they have sex unless they are wearing one of these clean, white cotton nightshirts.

 

Nebraska stupid and crazy laws by county

 

* Doughnut holes may not be sold. (Lehigh)

* Sneezing or burping is illegal during a church service. (Omaha)

* A man is not allowed to run around with a shaved chest. (Omaha)

* Barbers are forbidden from eating onions between 7 A.M. and 7 P.M. (Waterloo)

 

There is a big difference between "laws" applied to the public at large and the "rules" applied by a private party concerning their own private property.

 

Their ship, their rules.

 

Options:

 

1. Go

2. Don't go.

[G'ma]

First of all, everyone breaks rules. Or, if you want to debate that, you’ll have to concede that 95+% of people break rules. If the speed limit is 30 mph, almost no one drives at or under 30. Most drive 35 or maybe 40. Of course, it depends on the circumstances, but on an "average" roadway with a 30 mph speed limit, there are very few people driving at or below 30 and the vast majority driving at 31 mph or more. They are all breaking not just a "rule", but the law.

 

When you consider rules, you have to think about the principle behind the rule. What is it trying to accomplish? Is it there for safety, for “fairness”, to keep things running smoothly, or for some other reason? If you understand the reason for the rule and want/need to break the rule, but can still achieve the desired outcome of the rule, then it’s probably not a big deal to break the rule. If you don’t understand the reason for the rule, then you should do some research, or just follow the rule. You never know what harm you might be inflicting if you break a rule that you don’t understand in the first place.

 

As for the specific case, I can see both sides of things. Maybe the 8-year old is particularly shy (or maybe even has a social disability) but had an older brother/sister in the older age group. Maybe the 8 year old was in the third grade and was coming up to his 9th birthday and was on the cruise with other families with other fourth graders who had all had their 9th birthday already. Would it really make sense to force one kid from the same school class into a different group than his classmates, even though those classmates are only a few weeks older?

 

I agree with the poster(s) who have said that “everyone is an exception” or “some people act like rules are for other people”. Many people do ignore rules just because they can. However, I believe there are very few rules where there shouldn’t be room for flexibility when the circumstances warrant it.

 

I'm sorry, but, when you are on someone elses property, and they have rules, you either pay attention to the rules or stay off the property.

 

It has nothing to do with "laws"...for which there is a penalty if you break one.

[T. Advisor King]

The focus of the post was to bring attention to the age parameters that CCL has put in place for Camp Carnival, Circle C, etc. As we all know AGE restrictions are put in place as guidelines for age appropriate activities. My son was always "more mature" for his age and because of that, he was never interested in going to the Camps. That's the choice between you and your child(ren), take it or leave it.

 

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Age restrictions are a must to follow and should be enforced.

 

That was my point when discussing flexibility and exceptions. Camp Carnival develops "age-appropriate activities". But the age divisions are arbitrary. They pick a cut-off that makes the most sense to the most people given the limitations that Carnival is working with. But an activity appropriate for one 8-year old might not be appropriate for another 8-year old. If you have a mature and capable 8-year old for whom the 6-8 year old activities are really not appropriate, then I don't think it is unreasonable to ask that the 8-year old be permitted to participate with the 9-year olds.

 

Ideally, Carnival will listen to the merits of the passenger's case and, if they agree, will permit the 8-year old to join the older group. If they don't then it is something the passenger will have to live with. I would think that Carnival would want as many young passengers participating in Camp Carnival as possible. The more passengers who have a great experience, the better word-of-mouth they receive and the more business Carnival does in the future.

 

Ultimately, if they won't be flexible, then I agree the passengers shouldn't whine and complain about it. But I don't think it is unreasonable for the passengers to describe the circumstances, explain why they were disappointed with the outcome and let you and I reach our own conclusions about whether they were treated fairly and received good service from Carnival.

[cathyoo]

I am a very much about FAIR.. so I am sorta of a rule type person since rules can help enforce fairness. However, I am not fond of senseless rules that do not insure fairness for ANYONE. I had four children and going on 7 grandchildren.

 

Each of my children and grandchildren were very unique individuals and the most unique item about each of them is how they matured differently. My second son was shaving and making out with girls at the age of 12. My second grandson is 12 and he won't meet either of those milestones for years to come. My daughter had a best friend for 9 years and it was sad to watch their relationship disappear as my daughter moved beyond Barbie dolls and dress up years before her friend.

 

I think the age range in Camp Carnival is too large. A just turned 5 year old (young in hisdevelopment) and a soon to be 9 year old (mature in her development) are not going to be on the same planet. I also worry more about the young just turned 9 year old being lost in a group with old twelve year olds. In fact, I dont' worry too much about those smart, developed skipped grades type kids as I do about those who are delayed in their maturity.

 

I do think this is one place that should have firm guidelines but not strict rules. I would hope that the Camp Staff would have enough experience to determine who isn't fitting and make the necessary adjustments. It should be all about the safety and the FUN for the child. Just my two cents

[T. Advisor King]

I'm sorry' date=' but, when you are on someone elses property, and they have rules, you either pay attention to the rules or stay off the property.

 

It has nothing to do with "laws"...for which there is a penalty if you break one.[/quote']

 

So you would never take your own candy into a movie theatre ("no outside food or drink permitted") or move up to vacant, field-level seats (from your cheaper nosebleed tickets) at a baseball, football (fill-in-the-blank yourself) game, or take a cell-phone camera photo of yourself at a concert ("no photographic or recording devices permitted")?

 

There are dozens if not hundreds of these types of scenarios and different people will draw the line in different places. But very few draw it at "I will never break a rule".

[velotaco]

Depends on the rule. If it has to do with safety or respecting the rights of others, then yes. But if is a rule that is unilaterally in place to protect the dominate parties best interest, then no.

 

I use the common sense rule.

[Nunu]

I'm sorry' date=' but, when you are on someone elses property, and they have rules, you either pay attention to the rules or stay off the property.

 

It has nothing to do with "laws"...for which there is a penalty if you break one.[/quote']

 

So you would never take your own candy into a movie theatre ("no outside food or drink permitted") or move up to vacant, field-level seats (from your cheaper nosebleed tickets) at a baseball, football (fill-in-the-blank yourself) game, or take a cell-phone camera photo of yourself at a concert ("no photographic or recording devices permitted")?

 

 

I could guess the answer.

[WCAB]

Having evolved with a company, I was there when they were small and rules could be changed to fit each circumstance. A couple of things happened that caused the company to loose that flexibility. They grew larger. It is a lot harder to be flexible when dealing with large numbers of people. The second thing was people taking advantage of the flexibility. People have a tendency to keep stretching and stretching the limits until one has to be a stickler on the rules. Also once bent for one person it leaves the door open for the next person to demand the rules be bent and pretty soon you have no rules. As a preference I would much rather see the flexibility but the practical side says it will not work.

[asmith5795]

I had this same question. My son and I will be going on the Fantasy in March 2010, 3 weeks shy of his 15th birthday. I know he will feel like he is with really younger kids if he goes to the 12-14 group. He is 6 feet tall and shaves! If they can't be flexible, he will probabally just hangout with me. Great for me, but I would like for him to have some teen fun too.

[Pegs222]

Those of you who take the ridgid approach to the OP's question, consider some laws that are currently on the books in the state of Nebraska and ask yourself if you want such rules (laws) enforced. Note that there are similar statutes in every state.

 

Nebraska Stupid laws

 

 

Better teach your kids a few new church tricks in Nebraska…

A parent can be arrested if his child cannot hold back a burp during a church service.

 

The owner of every hotel in Hastings, Nebraska, is required to provide each guest with a clean and pressed nightshirt. No couple, even if they are married, may sleep together in the nude. Nor may they have sex unless they are wearing one of these clean, white cotton nightshirts.

 

Nebraska stupid and crazy laws by county

 

* Doughnut holes may not be sold. (Lehigh)

* Sneezing or burping is illegal during a church service. (Omaha)

* A man is not allowed to run around with a shaved chest. (Omaha)

* Barbers are forbidden from eating onions between 7 A.M. and 7 P.M. (Waterloo)

 

But we are not talking about rules like the ones you have posted, we are talking about being a guest on a cruise ship. They have their rules in place because it is their home and we are a guest in their home. They have the rules because in their opinion they are fair to all. Nobody has to like the rules; but they are their rules. If you do not like their rules, do not cruise on CCL.

[zqvol]

I love reading the reviews from all types of people, however, there was one for the Legend on the review page that just irrated me so I thought I would jump in with my 2 cents.

 

Someone complained that the head of Camp Carnival did not want to allow their child to participate in the 9 to 11 age group. The child was 8. I am so sorry, why in the world would they have an age group listed if they were to always break the rules. In her case they did after several days of complaining. The person rated the trip a 2 so it seems Carnival could not please the person.

 

I love listening to all types of reviews, however, I am a firm believer in rules. Ok I am done now and feel so much better. Thanks for listening.:)

 

After reading the comments to this, the original post, it is no wonder that the country and the world are in the state that they are in. What ever happened to moral and ethical values?

 

Rules, laws, regulations are there for a reason and the reason is NEVER for them to be broken.

[trock]

The Supreme Court recently issued a decision in a case where a thirteen year-old was strip searched due to an allegation that she had given another student ibuprofen. The Supreme Court found that search excessive. I'm surprised the case had to go that far as common sense alone should bring most anyone to that conclusion. School system zero-tolerance policies are a good metaphor for the abdication of common sense in our society. Having rules and obeying rules are bedrock requirements for civil society. Rules restricting activities that endanger others should be rigorously enforced. Rules for organized teen activities, (like ibuprofen) do not fall into this category. The cruise lines (like schools) should be able to interpret situations like these case by case, not with the iron truncheon of "it's a rule".

 

 

Great analogy and well put!:)

If this had been my child... we would have been in court for other reasons... :rolleyes:

[trock]

It is a rule of CC that this board maintain Carnival Cruiseline topics.. all other topics should be brought up in floataway...

 

That is of course unless the mods want to bend the rules and let it run..

 

LOL;)

[wentworth]

I hope the ones complaining about bending the rules have never smuggled

booze on board, saved a chair at the pool, given your 17-18 yr child/or

grandchild a glass of wine, or saved seats at the show. Can't have it

both ways.

 

NOt saying to totally disregard the rules, but take each case individually.

I'm sorry but a boy 6" tall and shaving and shy of his 15th birthday by

weeks would probably be very uncomfortable with the 12 yr olds.