Lusitanica's EPIC REVIEW with pics, videos, comments, etc.

[david_sobe]

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Norwegian Epic: Let's play drink-drunk!

 

 

 

 

 

I can vouch that this picture is from the Epic however I feel some context is required here. This was the last stop of the Pub Crawl and there were 30+ people around this table a few minutes earlier engaged in a game of "flip-cup". This was a one time event on the first night organized and supervised by the staff and I can also vouch that this was cleaned up within minutes as we looked at the tables when we were leaving the Spice H2O area (as these ping pong tables are just outside Spice H20).

 

I know this as three members of our party (including myself) were participants in the pub crawl. This was not a typical scene during my week on the Epic, which the 17 of us very much enjoyed.

 

 

Since when does a cruise line deliver beer still intact in a box to passengers? There is a server tray also on the table. This looks more like a table from a frat college party or something.

I dont see Epic waiters leaving serving trays with dirty glasses on a ping pong table. I dont see Epic waiters delivering beer to passengers still in the box case and then leaving it on a ping pong table. Cruise ship workers pick up an empty glass instantly. I dont see this on a cruise ship. If there was a back drop of a ship, maybe I would believe it. But the photo is zoomed in only on the table. If you say you were at this pub crawl, do you have a photo to support this?

[SPORTSGUY]

We are celebrating our 15th anniversary and we booked our cabin in June 2009 for a November 2010 cruise, book early for best deals. We have previously sailed on the NCL Jewel with an Aft suite and the experience was outstanding. The cabin on this cruise is the spa suite on deck 14. You have presented the best review of the experiences of most people that will cruise on the Epic. Not every ship is for everyone and this ship seems to cater to the younger crowd. Younger does not infer to an age but an attitude. With the economy the way it currently is people rely on this site to give informative reviews and I will try to do the same when we return. Any cruise is better than a day at the office.:)

[ToddDog]

I've been on the Epic, the ship is not perfect and I prefer the Jewel class. That being said, I can work a sink and am familiar with the concept of a water closet in a bathroom where the toilet is separate from the sink. I could have spent my week taking pictures of every little flaw, and yes, there were some flaws, but I still had a very fun week. Blue Man was great, food was ok, service was good, and the crew did seem happy, it was a fun cruise, not perfect, but fun. Would I go on the Epic again just to go on the Epic? Probably not. Would I go on the Epic if it was an itinerary I wanted to go on? Yes.

[Ebonybombshell]

I thought the review WAS overly negative, but that was his experience. So be it....I find it personally a little rude to negate it so vehmently and personally. It's not mature and lacks class. I have 8 cruises under my belt and will be on the Epic (yeay!) Sat for my birthday with 9 others to help me celebrate. I didn't find CC until cruise 3 and loved all the opinions and help from all of the members. It has been immeasurable. However we are all adults and as such can make discerning decisions for ourselves. There are so many opinions, good and bad, that you take what you can and leave the rest. It would not leave a good impression to a newcomer to read this thread in it's entirety, if I had started reading things like this in the beginning I may not have continued to use this site.

 

For example, last year, I worked (OMG) hours of OT to afford a RSSC cruise to Alaska by myself (the 8th). Honestly some of the people on that board were SOOOOO snarky, that I was literally scared to go. (never done a full vacation alone before). I thought they were elitist snobs and would be extremely judgemental...but there was *enough* people to call out those overly negative ones..that I held my breath. It ended up being WONDERFUL.

 

My point (yes, I have one) is that nothing is for everybody, don't make things so personal..for example, I loved how Cruisinskier clarified the picture without a personal attack..put it in context. Now I think we'll prob due the crawl actually. Some things are useful to know. I was shocked with how small those cabins are. In my 8 cruises I can tell you those rooms ARE small..pics are clear....so I split my cabin of 4 29-34 yo women into 2. We would have been miserable, and I prob won't use the jogging track now, I'll use the gym. The sinks do suck....they are European style sinks that most Boutique style hotels are moving too...Tripadvisor is full of people complaining about the sinks because when you wash your face it IS a mess...well I just learned to move my stuff into the shower and the rest of the time, I travel with cleansing cloths and i will try to get balcony seats now for Circque!

 

I, along with my friends, WILL have a blast because we choose to and I have never met a cruise I didn't like..laid back Iowan and all. However, it helps to know some things ahead of time...less dissapointment if you know potential concerns early, you can prepare and adapt. The rest is what you make it...which he DID say in the beggining. So what if he took all those pics and video..normally we praise people on here for doing that. We should not be so hypocritical..and we should always view how this appears to an outsider. Takes credibility away from both sides of the debate

 

Finally..I did the NCL Jade Med last year...AWESOME...people tore that ship and itinerary apart..and so my expectations were not that high...we ended up LOVING all of it. As opposed to when you go in expexting perfection...much easier to be disappointed (like movies..face it we've all been there). Perspective!

 

Love you all~not being negative~trying to offer a balanced perspective

 

Take what you can~ Leave the rest

 

Ninah

[lusitanica]

Thank you for your comments, fellow cruise critics.

I will address some of them (skipping those insulting of course).

Thanks again.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

I thought the review WAS overly negative, but that was his experience. So be it....I find it personally a little rude to negate it so vehmently and personally. It's not mature and lacks class. I have 8 cruises under my belt and will be on the Epic (yeay!) Sat for my birthday with 9 others to help me celebrate. I didn't find CC until cruise 3 and loved all the opinions and help from all of the members. It has been immeasurable. However we are all adults and as such can make discerning decisions for ourselves. There are so many opinions, good and bad, that you take what you can and leave the rest. It would not leave a good impression to a newcomer to read this thread in it's entirety, if I had started reading things like this in the beginning I may not have continued to use this site.

 

For example, last year, I worked (OMG) hours of OT to afford a RSSC cruise to Alaska by myself (the 8th). Honestly some of the people on that board were SOOOOO snarky, that I was literally scared to go. (never done a full vacation alone before). I thought they were elitist snobs and would be extremely judgemental...but there was *enough* people to call out those overly negative ones..that I held my breath. It ended up being WONDERFUL.

 

My point (yes, I have one) is that nothing is for everybody, don't make things so personal..for example, I loved how Cruisinskier clarified the picture without a personal attack..put it in context. Now I think we'll prob due the crawl actually. Some things are useful to know. I was shocked with how small those cabins are. In my 8 cruises I can tell you those rooms ARE small..pics are clear....so I split my cabin of 4 29-34 yo women into 2. We would have been miserable, and I prob won't use the jogging track now, I'll use the gym. The sinks do suck....they are European style sinks that most Boutique style hotels are moving too...Tripadvisor is full of people complaining about the sinks because when you wash your face it IS a mess...well I just learned to move my stuff into the shower and the rest of the time, I travel with cleansing cloths and i will try to get balcony seats now for Circque!

 

I, along with my friends, WILL have a blast because we choose to and I have never met a cruise I didn't like..laid back Iowan and all. However, it helps to know some things ahead of time...less dissapointment if you know potential concerns early, you can prepare and adapt. The rest is what you make it...which he DID say in the beggining. So what if he took all those pics and video..normally we praise people on here for doing that. We should not be so hypocritical..and we should always view how this appears to an outsider. Takes credibility away from both sides of the debate

 

Finally..I did the NCL Jade Med last year...AWESOME...people tore that ship and itinerary apart..and so my expectations were not that high...we ended up LOVING all of it. As opposed to when you go in expexting perfection...much easier to be disappointed (like movies..face it we've all been there). Perspective!

 

Love you all~not being negative~trying to offer a balanced perspective

 

Take what you can~ Leave the rest

 

Ninah

 

Dear Ninah,

 

Great post! There are too many people who feel the need to win an argument and take it personally.

 

There is no need to attack any poster just because you believe their post is different from your opinion.

 

Having been on the ship and experienced the sink it "can" be messy. That is a fact. If you learn to work with you can use it and not cause splashing but it really is too small. The question is this - how big of a deal is that to you?

 

For me, personally, on a scale of 0-10 (0=no problem to 10=deal breaker) I'd have to rate the sink issue a 1. But everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[Flying Solo]

This post is not a "difference in opinion". It's simply a smear campaign.

People come to Cruise Critic to find information, good and bad. I've read many posts that I don't agree with but that doesn't make them wrong. It just makes their opinion different than mine. That is not what has been done here.

This "review" is helpful to no one. The OP has a long history of trying to discredit this ship. It's unfortunate that people will come here and read this thinking that it gives any kind of a fair review.

[kitsVA]

Thank you for your comments, fellow cruise critics.

I will address some of them (skipping those insulting of course).

Thanks again.

 

Thanks for taking time for a very long review. You set my expectations very low on Epic. That I hope will make me enjoy my cruise more than I would have. We will be on it on Oct 30th

 

I've been on NCL Pearl last Spring and loved the ship. After reading your review I am little concerned about not having good spots on the ship for a good Ocean view. Pearl had plenty of them.

 

Will let you all know how it compares to Pearl.

[Adkmom]

Did He ever say where the mystery deck was. I am curious.

[sjbdtz]

It seems some are trying to discredit the OP at any cost, which in itself is rather pathetic. I have to wonder if these same people would be so quick to discredit the 100% positive and glowing reviews? I doubt it even though the suggestion of an "agenda" is just as valid.

 

No Ernie, the same people wouldn't. We have people like you, and Arpster, and Lustianica for that. Y'all have no trouble tryingto discredit posters who REALLY enjoyed the ship. And y'all have no trouble then criticizing anyone who disagrees with posters who prefer a different line.

 

Talk about agendas....it comes across more & more, as though certain people have one.

 

 

 

You may not agree with the OP's review, and that is your prerogative, but resorting to personal attacks such as calling the OP a "liar", "loser" and "sad" are unacceptable, and should not be tolerated.

 

Should not be tolerated by whom? If the OP states a mistruth, or for example posts a photoshopped image as fact, then someone SHOULD call them out on it, and it would be perfectly acceptable. Let's separate the facts from the 'spin'.

 

 

While I do feel this review has a heavy emphasis on the negative, as a technical person who pays attention to detail, I am none the less impressed with the OP's observations and documentation of those observations.

 

Some of those 'observations' weren't observations at all. They were the equivalent of 'before & after' photos....you know, where lighting, a smile, the right angle, a haircut, etc. all convey a more appealing 'after' than the before. It's spin, and it's marketing....it's not observation or documentation. Worse: it's opinion, stated as fact.

 

Personally I would never have the time or care enough to spend so much time doing this during my vacation. Of course I would be happy to if I were getting paid! ;)

 

Hmm.....that's an interesting thought, Ernie....care to elaborate?

 

 

 

 

Ultimately, the OP's observations may or may not have any impact on my personal cruise experience, but that is for me to decide (and any other members that read the review) and I certainly don't find it necessary to attack the OP.

 

Yes, but you claim / appear to be an experienced cruiser. Many who come here trying to make sense of the morass of the cruising industry would look at a review such as this, as fact.

So it IS important to set the record straight that this is not fact, it is a collection of random images designed to support a hypothesis set forth by the OP long before their sailing: H1 - "The Epic is a horrible ship"

 

 

I'm simply amazed at how some on this board have made it their personal objective in life to protect the honor of EPIC at all costs. It's honestly no different than what you accuse the OP of doing, just at the other end of the spectrum. In the end we are talking about at inanimate object. Why take it so serious?

 

Nor is what YOU are doing, any different that what THEY are doing. You are defending one end of the spectrum, while complaining that others are defending the other end. Do you happen to work for Fox news????? ;)

 

Ernie

 

I totally agree, the Epic is a godawful looking ship, it doesnt really look like a ship, who thought the thing on top above the bridge was a good idea?

 

I do!

 

 

The Oasis still looks like a ship and still has some graceful lines, even with its size. The first time i saw the Epic in a picture, i thought *****, for lack of a better thought.

 

It seems apparent that lack of better thoughts is SOP.

 

 

 

Thank you for your comments, fellow cruise critics.

I will address some of them (skipping those insulting of course).

Thanks again.

 

This is complete drivel.

 

The ONLY take-away from this, is that NCL should employ a better graphic illustrator, who can forecast the future with a better sense of proportion. One must believe that since the ship was under construction, architect drawings with measurements existed before the artist started to draw. Yet some of their proportions are out of measure. That I can agree with.

 

 

As for the sink.... you ran the tap at full-blast, with no splashing...the sink filled-up. Well that's what sinks do, when you put lots of water in them. I'm guessing based on the 'spin' evident in the remainder of the report, that you had the drain closed?

 

Comments such as "it's OBVIOUS it doesn't belong there" are a perfect example of you super-imposing your agenda on any potential for a factual account.

 

 

 

Lastly, you said this was not about an experience, it was not about opinion, it was about a SHIP.

 

Yet, the first 1/3 was about Miami, the second 1/3 was about Carnival, Princess & RCCL, and the third 1/3 was about your opinion.......

 

 

Stephen

 

 

P.S. Forgot...couple of comments about the video.... the single person smoking at the roulette table is no different than smoking in a casino on any other ship. It's a point of contention.

 

 

BUT....what I really want to know is why the ART....ART.....ART of two women kissing tenderly, deserved a full-stop, and a huge OOOPS! on your video????

 

 

 

Oh....one thing I did like, was the way you said there were no atriums (atria), yet you clearly show a 3-storey tall chandelier. Of course.....that's not in an atrium, it's in the "anti-claustrophobia opening "

 

How was THAT related to a review of a ship?

[MMMD]

I would never book or cancel a cruise based on what I read on this site. I don't care that the OP spent a lot of his time taking pictures and video,as it was his cruise to do as he liked.

 

However calling the OP names and a liar is a little much. Why the personal attacks? Truthfully the name calling says more about you than them.

 

I have read over and over on CC differing opinions of the very same cruise. One CC member hated the food, or the crew was rude,or their cabin dirty etc. The next CC member will state that the food was great, the crew was lovely and their cabin super clean. Mostly the OP of those threads are called liars.

Why? When it comes down to it since I don't personally know anyone from CC and I wasn't with them throughout their cruise, how can I honestly say which member is lying? And why would I take sides and call one of them a liar when I have no idea what the truth actually is.

 

I appreciated the pictures and the video of a ship that I have no intention of going on, as it was nice to see the inside. But would I book or cancel my cruise because of this review? Never.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

You may not agree with the OP's review, and that is your prerogative, but resorting to personal attacks such as calling the OP a "liar", "loser" and "sad" are unacceptable, and should not be tolerated.

 

Should not be tolerated by whom? If the OP states a mistruth, or for example posts a photoshopped image as fact, then someone SHOULD call them out on it, and it would be perfectly acceptable. Let's separate the facts from the 'spin'.

So why is it that some people only SELECTIVELY call out poster(s) with which they disagree?

Nevertheless when a national company posts a picture on their website about their ship and post this:

 

 

When in REALITY the jogging track looks like this:

 

 

How come those SAME posters don't get in a righteous indignation about that? :confused:

 

I would think the company would have plenty of shots of their own ship to post?

Hasn't the Epic been sailing for over 3 months now? Hmmmmmm

 

Maybe certain posters do have agendas after all........:cool:

[Mr. Luckytoo]

Oh....one thing I did like, was the way you said there were no atriums (atria), yet you clearly show a 3-storey tall chandelier. Of course.....that's not in an atrium, it's in the "anti-claustrophobia opening "

 

On this point you are very correct - the Epic does have an atrium and in fact it sould be compared to other atriums on other cruise ships:

 

 

From Carnival

 

from Holland America and

The NCL Epic

 

All images obtained from Google - type Cruise Ship atrium.

 

Nope I don't get that claustrophic feeling with the Epic's atrium - looks pretty compariable to other cruise line atriums :rolleyes:

[eroller]

Talk about agendas....it comes across more & more, as though certain people have one.

[/b]

 

 

Oh it sure does! You being first on the list. Unlike you, I sail on all the various cruise lines and pretty much enjoy them all (including NCL). In fact I'm sailing on NORWEGIAN PEARL for my next cruise. This being said, I don't feel the need to defend the honor of NCL or any other line. Their actions, ships, crews, entertainment, etc. speak for themselves. You appear to have made it your personal mission to defend NCL, and specifically EPIC at whatever cost and whatever insults you find necessary. It must be exhausting but it sure is humorous to watch.

 

Now before you start any conspiracy theories about me, I pay for all my cruises and I don't get paid for any reviews that I write. I do enjoy writing and I enjoy documenting my experience on the many lines and ships I have sailed. If someone were willing to pay me for it, I certainly would not be opposed to it. Unfortunately that hasn't happened yet.

 

Should not be tolerated by whom? If the OP states a mistruth, or for example posts a photoshopped image as fact

[/b]

 

What image is photoshopped? Do you have proof? Sounds like your own mini-smeer campaign. Very hypocritical.

 

 

Yes, but you claim / appear to be an experienced cruiser. Many who come here trying to make sense of the morass of the cruising industry would look at a review such as this, as fact.

[/b]

 

Regardless of whether a person is an experienced cruiser or not should have little bearing on how they disseminate a review. The fact is this is a review from an anonymous person on the Internet. If anyone takes it so seriously, at face value, as to influence their vacation decision than that is on them. I research a lot of things on the Internet that I know nothing about, but I'm not so quick to take what I read at face value, unless it's from an extremely reliable and credited source. An anonymous person writing a review on CC is hardly reliable or creditable, whether the review is negative or positive. Now if you know the reviewer personally, their personality, likes & dislikes than certainly you can get more out of the review. These reviews can be a great source of information, but you can't take them too seriously or let them influence you too greatly. The Internet is full of amazing information, but many untruths as well. Sorry, but you alone or even a small army is not going to change that ... even as hard as you try with CC. If you want to spend what seems to be an inordinate amount of time defending EPIC, go right ahead. It's not going to change anything. How about all the negative reviews written about all the other ships on CC, many which are not true and I know this for a fact because I have sailed on these ships. Are you just as concerned about them? I don't think so, which would lead one to believe that you are somehow affiliated with NCL and have your own agenda ... exactly what you accuse the OP and even myself of.

 

 

 

You are defending one end of the spectrum, while complaining that others are defending the other end.

[/b]

 

The only thing I'm defending is the right for a person to post their views and perceptions on CC without threat of being personally attacked (called a liar, loser, sad, as an example). I don't see the people that post 100% positive views being attacked and called names, but it seems to be ok for someone that has a negative view. If you don't agree with the review, that is absolutely fine. We all have different perceptions and expectations of EPIC or any other ship, and no one ship is going to appeal to every person that sails on it. I have been on EPIC and already posted my impressions. Some matched what the OP wrote and many did not, and I would guess this would be the case with most people. Did the OP have pre-conceived perceptions about EPIC and decide to focus on those and nothing else? Perhaps. In the end it doesn't matter. People need to read the various reviews and make up their own minds about what applies to them and offers relevance.

 

Ernie

[Mr. Luckytoo]

Hey Ernie might I add: Ditto :D

[lusitanica]

Oh....one thing I did like, was the way you said there were no atriums (atria), yet you clearly show a 3-storey tall chandelier. Of course.....that's not in an atrium, it's in the "anti-claustrophobia opening "

 

 

On this point you are very correct - the Epic does have an atrium and in fact it sould be compared to other atriums on other cruise ships:

 

Nope. Not correct (twisting facts as always).

 

This is what the review says:

 

"There are no vast spaces, no significant atriums, no glass elevators inside the ship…"

 

"What they call “atrium” is not that place with the big chandelier (in the EPICenter of the casino). The “official” atrium is where the big screen is located."

 

 

Thanks.

[ColinIllinois]

Actually I found this thread and "review" to be quite amusing. I've only ever been on one cruise so I'm not a cheerleader for anyone but I loved the Epic. To each their own I guess. I've already booked my second cruise on Epic and my third will be on NCL Pearl.

 

One thing I found to be quite ironic is the O.P's handle of "Lusitanica". Is that a combination of the cruise ships Lusitania and Titanic? One was sunk by a torpedo, the other by an iceberg.

 

Maybe that's where he gets his water on the bathroom floor obsession?

 

Just a thought. :D

[DocJohnB]

It seems some are trying to discredit the OP at any cost, which in itself is rather pathetic. I have to wonder if these same people would be so quick to discredit the 100% positive and glowing reviews? I doubt it even though the suggestion of an "agenda" is just as valid.

 

Ernie

 

Just a quick thought on this point. sdmike wrote a terrific review of "his" cruise on the Epic.

 

While it was a terrific review, it was truly a pro-Epic review (nothing wrong with that). However, it either failed to mention the so called negatives of this ship or glossed over them. Certainly one could say sdmike had/has an agenda.

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1246585

 

Now Lusitanica has written "his" review of Epic. You don't have to like it. You certainly don't have to agree with it. It may well be totally "negative" in its' presentation. But, IMO, it is the perfect counter to the Epic review of sdmike.

 

IMO, these two reviews should be placed together at the top of the NCL boards and kept there for a while. Reading both together, while time consuming, would probably give a reader a much "truer" picture of this ship than reading them separately. Let the reader/consumer read both and make a more qualified decision on should I or shouldn't I.

[Adkmom]

Just a quick thought on this point. sdmike wrote a terrific review of "his" cruise on the Epic.

 

While it was a terrific review, it was truly a pro-Epic review (nothing wrong with that). However, it either failed to mention the so called negatives of this ship or glossed over them. Certainly one could say sdmike had/has an agenda.

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1246585

 

Now Lusitanica has written "his" review of Epic. You don't have to like it. You certainly don't have to agree with it. It may well be totally "negative" in its' presentation. But, IMO, it is the perfect counter to the Epic review of sdmike.

 

IMO, these two reviews should be placed together at the top of the NCL boards and kept there for a while. Reading both together, while time consuming, would probably give a reader a much "truer" picture of this ship than reading them separately. Let the reader/consumer read both and make a more qualified decision on should I or shouldn't I.

 

I suppose some might call me negative for the review I wrote of the Sky. And we did have a very good time inspite of the short commings of the ship.When I gave my review I tried to give both positive and negative.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=901209&highlight=

 

The difference I see here is why go on vacation and spend all your time looking to have a bad time. We have sailed on 3 ships 2 I would give a bad review based on ship issues. The Dawn we loved and would sail on again although it was not without problems. The EPIC is definitely a very different ship and does not seem to have the wow factor, flow, or large group settings of some other ship. It will be a very different experience and I may never sail on it again. However we had a great time on both ships I give negative reviews of. As a matter of fact we would most likely have a great time if we were actually sailing on a barge. Any thing on the turquoise sea is better than the greatest hotel on land in my opinion.

[fin]

Two things. First, I almost never post a reply to a thread without making an effort to read everything that has already been said. This time I am.

 

Second thing. Although I have had a half dozen wonderful cruises on NCL, I do not consider myself a 'loyalist' nor 'cheerleader'.

 

The one point I DO want to make is that I am tremendously impressed by the powerful impact geneerated by a youtube video. I am fascinated by not only the technical techniques in fading to different shots, the juxtaposition of the cruise ship and the cabin sink, and particularly the effect of "Everything's Great in America" to show the Miami skyline.

 

If a picture is worth a thousand words, how much more infinite is the power of a well crafted video to make a point. In the same manner in which I wondered whether Sailor Jack was a professional writer (he is not) I wonder whether the OP works in Advertising or related PR field.

 

Whether you like the video or not, I stand in awe of the creativity which produced it. And I thank the OP for what looks like a great deal of work.

[kerrytens]

The difference I see here is why go on vacation and spend all your time looking to have a bad time. .

Interesting point for sure. And that is why I think SDMike's and Lusitanica's reviews are polar opposites. They both boarded with different expectations. Good or bad, people will make their own decision on what they believe ... hopefully:D

[sdmike]

DocJohn -

Well, you're right on one count. My review was very positive. However, I didn't gloss over any negatives. There really were not any significant ones in my opinion. A couple of notes I made were that they didn't provide any bar soap, that the night-lights in the room were too bright, and that there was only one outlet in the room. I also complained about the kid's club staff and the lack of control over cards, which ended up with my son's getting stolen. I also posted some neutral comments on the Cirque show. So while we had a great time, I certainly don't think I wrote anything that indicates I had some kind of overly positive agenda. We just really had a great time. :)

 

My main issue with Lusitanica isn't the review, it's that I believe they went through all this effort in order to support the same critical viewpoint about the ship that they shared on this board for months before they ever cruised. To me it was one big "I told you so" exercise intended to defend their previous position. I'm just disappointed that people will come read this review and decide to stay off the Epic where they really could have had an excellent time on the ship.

[Jerseyboy1]

One thing I found to be quite ironic is the O.P's handle of "Lusitanica". Is that a combination of the cruise ships Lusitania and Titanic? One was sunk by a torpedo, the other by an iceberg.

 

Maybe that's where he gets his water on the bathroom floor obsession?

 

Just a thought. :D

 

I never found the sinking of ships to be too amusing, but to each their own.:confused:

 

Lusitanica....thank you for the effort you put into this review. Whether someone agrees or disagrees with your observations is only relevent as far as discussion goes.

 

This review can stand on its own. It doesn't need to be justified by the masses. It's Lusitanica's take on the ship. Deal with it!:p

[db1234db1234]

Thanks for the great review. This is exactly why I booked Epic! I love crowds and I love shows and I love parties! I will have a great time playing flippy cup with a 12 pack of beers! Gonna be grrrrreat! Why should a cruise line be dull and boring. I'd be bored out of mind if I sat on a promenade deck reading a book for a week. This ship sounds like a great party!

[david_sobe]

Of course Luis is free to post anything he wants. No one should personally attack him for that. No one should take his bait because he gets quite a kick out of these forums to tweek a few Cruise Critic members. No one is saying he is not free to post his beliefs.

Here is the issue I have with his "review." It is not a review. Cruise Critic has thousands of reviews of hundreds of cruise ships. The reviews are all over the map, good, bad, wonderful, horrible, and ugly. No one can tell another person how their cruise vacation was. Each has a unique perspective and experienced things differently from other passengers.

A cruise review is not about comparing Epic models before and after launch. Every ship, house, or building has changes from original plans. A review is not about including advertisements for other cruise lines and ships. A review is not about photoshoping photos. A review is not about overly dramatic music. A review is not about air duct photos. Again, how was your cruise????????????

 

A review IS a recount of your experiences on the ship both good and bad or ugly. How was your trip? It would be fine if Luis posted personal ugly stories he encountered on the ship. But instead the "review" reads more like a "hit" job. In fact, few would even believe he sailed the Epic unless the photos or pictures were there because the postings are identical to his posts prior to the cruise. There were no changes, surprises, or differences. Did you notice, there were no photos of any food, restaurants, Ice Bar, etc. The viewer was sheltered and it was not a complete review of the ship. Of course you dont have to like NCL or Epic. But I would expect even those who had a horrible time on the Epic would also agree this review is not objective. How can the reader not think there is an agenda with promos for other cruise lines, doctored sound, doctored photos, etc.

Instead of complaining about the cigarette smoke, why were there no pictures to back this up? It is fine to show lines but what about the actual shows the line was for? You see my point?

I would have loved an honest from the heart review instead of trying to convince the readers Epic is a waste of time, money, and a total sham. Again, how was your cruise????????