Who cancelled a cruise because of the new smoking policy?

[firefly333]

If that one person has total control over a group of people to the extent

that everyone cancels their cruise because he/she cannot smoke where

they did, then yes that person is selfish.:rolleyes:

 

How can you be so judgemental... what if they booked NCL Epic, which might be a nicer cruise instead for the family.

 

You dont know what they decided to do instead of Carnival. I know some people who are planning on switching over .. so its selfish of them to make their other half cruise another line? I just dont get why people think Carnival is the end all, be all of cruising choices... or vacation choices in general. Maybe they would enjoy Vegas.

[firefly333]

This is the exact problem that the Paradise faced back when it was smoke-free, the inability to attract groups. Granted, the new fleetwide restrictions are nowhere near as severe, and given that the entire industry is inching in this direction, I doubt that we will see much dropoff after the intial pushback.

 

I agree, Paradise was way before its time. People who wanted smoke free, not all were willing to pay to fly to Calif.

 

Groups will be affected by this decision.

[futaba951]

Being a smoker and reading all the comments from both sides on this issue, I feel the need to chime in. For the last ten years I've seen smoking laws continually change and I've adjusted, and for the most part, taken it in stride. I've always been a respectful smoker, I never smoked in restaurants even when it was allowed, and always tried my best to go where my smoking would not bother non-smokers. I have no problem with Carnival having designated smoking areas on their cruises, just as long as they DO have designated areas for us. That seems only fair. Heck, the last time I was in Chicago and was getting ready to board my flight home at the airport, my flight was delayed for mechanical reasons. In order for me to smoke a cigarette, I had to go all the way out of the airport and come back through the entire security process. That was completely ridiculous. At least here in Tampa the airport has a designated patio area just for smokers. After that trip I came up with a plan for such situations. I purchased an electric cigarette kit, or e-cig as they are known. According to John Heald, these are completely ok to use on Carnival Cruises, as they should be, except in the dining areas, which is completely understandable. I’ll still have the right to have a cigarette when I want in the designated areas, but will also be able to have my e-cig while sitting at the lido deck enjoying a cold drink. Now, if smokers are willing to adjust and be considerate to the non-smoking faction, then non-smokers need to be a little more understanding as well. If the non-smokers come after me for having an e-cigarette, which is nothing more than a water vapor that does not have any harmful carcinogens and evaporates as soon as it is exhaled, than I know that they are only out to take away our rights as individuals. Let’s hope this is not the case and that we can all figure out a way to co-exist. Maybe we can show the whole world that people ARE able to figure out ways to live together on this crazy bouncing ball we call Earth. ;)

 

If someone calls you out for an e-cig, especially if you are using one with a non red glow tip or a funky colored battery that is clearly not a cigarette, they are just crusading for the sake of being a troublemaker. After using e-cigs for a few months, I can hardly stand the taste of a real cigarette. And I've saved over $300 in that time period.

[vols_159]

They may lose a lot of business, too. ;)

 

 

ive been on 2 ncl ships and smoking has not been a problem for me except when inside the casino one night.. Im allergic to smoke and my grandparents choose to stop smoking years ago because it effected my health.. I think ncl policy is inside cabins balconies are okay and one side of the pool/deck and casnio theres no smoking inside resturants or inside any attriums / theathers

[Bo Didly]

If someone calls you out for an e-cig, especially if you are using one with a non red glow tip or a funky colored battery that is clearly not a cigarette, they are just crusading for the sake of being a troublemaker. After using e-cigs for a few months, I can hardly stand the taste of a real cigarette. And I've saved over $300 in that time period.

 

 

For the life of me I just don't see the point of E cigs.

Is it nicotine capsules that you insert into those things ?

 

I don't snoke but I do know that nicotine is the addiction here.:rolleyes:

[MissDiva1]

How can you be so judgemental... what if they booked NCL Epic, which might be a nicer cruise instead for the family.

 

You dont know what they decided to do instead of Carnival. I know some people who are planning on switching over .. so its selfish of them to make their other half cruise another line? I just dont get why people think Carnival is the end all, be all of cruising choices... or vacation choices in general. Maybe they would enjoy Vegas.

 

Oh puleeze! If they were planning on switching to a different ship because it was nicer they would have booked that cruise from the get go!

But that was not the discussion.

[jerseyralph]

If someone calls you out for an e-cig, especially if you are using one with a non red glow tip or a funky colored battery that is clearly not a cigarette, they are just crusading for the sake of being a troublemaker. After using e-cigs for a few months, I can hardly stand the taste of a real cigarette. And I've saved over $300 in that time period.

 

Congratulations. It was wonderful to read of your success. Keep going. We want you well and cruising for many years to come!

 

I am a recovered smoker and I cannot stand the smell now. It makes me physically sick to my stomach. The thought of tasting cigarette smoke just make me cringe. Enjoy your emerging freedom and the extra money for cruising!

[Fishon28]

I am not anti-smoking in the sense that smoking should be illegal but it's been proven without a doubt that smoking is harmful to ALL. What people do in their private homes is up to them but when you put 3000 people in one place why should the majority be subjected to a proven bad habit?

 

I know people will say that they only smoke in their cabins or balconies but what about when you open the door? Even if 2% of second hand smoke seeps out that's 2% too much.

 

Do smokers even think that smoke smells even remotely good?

[CanadianTwosome]

I think everyone is entitled to choose for themselves where to spend their hard earned cruise dollar. If Carnival's smoking policy has led someone to believe that they are not going to be able to enjoy their cruise, it's not my place to comment. In this particular case though, I'm wondering if the OP realizes that their ability to smoke everywhere they could when they originally booked has only been affected in one venue...

 

I mentioned in another thread that NCL's smoking policy is more restrictive than Carnival's. Someone on this thread commented that they had seen people in an NCL casino who said they'd come there specifically to smoke. This is because the casino is usually the only indoor public venue where it is allowed. I think some still have small cigar bars, but not all. You are allowed to smoke in your cabin, but other than that, it's all outdoors. If I understand Carnival's policy, smoking will still be permitted in the dance clubs, even after December. Anyone migrating to NCL because of the new restrictions may find they miss smoking in a club more than smoking in their cabin...

 

I guess the thing that I find most interesting about the reaction to the changes in the policy is that it's really the 'norm' everywhere in North America now to have to go outside to smoke. Finding a smoking hotel room is next to impossible - and don't bother trying to use a discount site because you can't put smoking in as an 'amenity' so you're likely to end up with a smoke-free hotel. At least on a cruise ship, outside is close and you often don't even have to go up or down floors. In the same way that you now book your cabin for proximity to an elevator, you can book it for proximity to an exit.

 

So, to me the biggest difference between being a smoker on a cruise ship or on land is that on the cruise ship when you go outside to smoke, you also get to enjoy the ocean air and the view that you paid a premium for in your cruise fare... :)

[jerseyralph]

For the life of me I just don't see the point of E cigs.

Is it nicotine capsules that you insert into those things ?

 

I don't snoke but I do know that nicotine is the addiction here.:rolleyes:

 

Embracing the thought that nicotine addiction makes it too hard for people to quit is, from my experience, kind of silly. I know so many people who have succesfully quit smoking. Dozens of them. If someone really wants to quit and does not fall prey to the tobacco industry propaganda that quitting is nearly impossible, it turns out to be not so bad at all! In fact, for me (and I smoked 3 packs a day) it was EASY..........

 

If someone gets comfort from the e-cig, why would you want to stop them?

 

FYI...... US Taxpayer money going to tobacco-growing folks between 2000 and 2009? $944,104,224.00.

 

I, for one, would like my money back.

[wentworth]

How can you be so judgemental... what if they booked NCL Epic, which might be a nicer cruise instead for the family.

 

You dont know what they decided to do instead of Carnival. I know some people who are planning on switching over .. so its selfish of them to make their other half cruise another line? I just dont get why people think Carnival is the end all, be all of cruising choices... or vacation choices in general. Maybe they would enjoy Vegas.

 

Fire, I said if the whole group CANCELLED a cruise because one person cant smoke then I think thats selfish. If they all planned a cruise and chose one that allows smoking for the ones who do then great. BTW, I hope your not sweeping me up the your net of Carnival lovers... because

you'd be being judgemental;)

[Bo Didly]

Embracing the thought that nicotine addiction makes it too hard for people to quit is, from my experience, kind of silly. I know so many people who have succesfully quit smoking. Dozens of them. If someone really wants to quit and does not fall prey to the tobacco industry propaganda that quitting is nearly impossible, it turns out to be not so bad at all! In fact, for me (and I smoked 3 packs a day) it was EASY..........

 

If someone gets comfort from the e-cig, why would you want to stop them?

 

FYI...... US Taxpayer money going to tobacco-growing folks between 2000 and 2009? $944,104,224.00.

 

I, for one, would like my money back.

 

Thanks for your info, I don't want to stop them ;).

Not my place to.

I'm just curious as to whats in the E cigs that people crave as to a normal cigarette.

If it's nicotine it is the addicting element / substance.

[quickrate]

I am trying to cancell my Oct. 30, 2011, cruise because of the Carnival new smoking policy as of June 15, 2011. Carnival doesn't want to cancel my cruise. I know for a fact that some people here have been able to

cancel their cruise for Nov.11, 2011....because of the new smoking policy that took affect as of June 15,2011.

 

I have not been sucessful in canceling my cruise. I need HELP!

I booked through a Travel agency. He told me the Carnival resolution dept. would not approve my canceling without causing me to have to pay penalties. According to John Herald sp we are allowed to cancel cruises earlier than december.

Does anybody have any new information?

I really need advise. Comedians and looky loos please don't make fun of me or lecture me. THANK YOU. Lucy R.

Not sure why your TA would tell you that since final payment isn't even due and you can cancell and be fully refunded unless you booked early saver and under the new policy, you have the right to cancel ntil June 30th. Also, as others have stated on here, the only difference with smoking policy on your cruise, is no smoking in piano bar.

Pat

[CanadianTwosome]

Thanks for your info, I don't want to stop them ;).

Not my place to.

I'm just curious as to whats in the E cigs that people crave as to a normal cigarette.

If it's nicotine it is the addicting element / sub

 

I can answer this one. Nicotine IS the drug that people get addicted to in a cigarette - IF they get addicted to it... but that's not the only reason people smoke. If it were just about the nicotine, then aids like nicorette would make it the simplest thing in the world to quit. The problem is that there is so much more involved; you've got something to do with your hands, something to do with your mouth, and possibly most important, the sensation of the hot smoke coming into your mouth and being inhaled down your throat. The act of smoking - for those who do enjoy it - is the most difficult thing to stop doing, even with a non-cigarette nicotine source. E cigs address this by providing all of the physical sensations of smoking without the smoke. They're genius. The only thing they really need to improve on is the senation of the 'cigarette' itself, which is much heavier and more solid than a real one. :)

[Jenbo57]

I did a 7 day Alaska cruise on the Norwegian Pearl two weeks ago. I did not see as many smokers on that ship as I've seen on my four Carnival cruises. If many of the Carnival smokers migrate to NCL only so they can smoke in their cabins, the NCL loyalists are not going to like it, and I can almost guarantee that they will change their smoking policies to be more in line with everyone else who bans smoking in the cabins.

 

I am more concerned about the fire hazard than anything else. I know someone who was on the Star Princess when it caught fire in '06 and she said it was very, very frightening. I don't want to have to worry that the guy in the cabin next to me is going to fall asleep with a lit cigarette in his hand, so I'm happy with Carnival's new policy.

 

Smokers know that what they're doing is severely damaging their health; what a horrible addiction it must be! My mom has emphysema and is on oxygen 24 hours a day; she will eventually die a pretty unpleasant death from this. Yet I have two siblings who continue to smoke. Very sad, indeed!

[eedee]

Although I'm a non-smoker I never felt carnival should be smoke free. It would be nice but I couldnt care one way or another. My only issue is, before a smoker comes and share a space with someone who they see is not smokeing, they should have the courtesy to ask if the non-smoker mind if they smoke. If the smoker was there first then the smoker should have priority.The non-smoker should just find another location to be. So many cruises I been on, I would be sitting with company enjoying conversation and people watching.Then someone would come and grab a seat next table and puff away with smoke driftiing in our direction. We are not confrontational people so we would find another table and the same thing will continue to happen until we give up and leave.

[nin7474]

NCL is the one all the smokers I know are moving to. NCL is going to get a lot of new business.

 

Note to self. DO NOT CRUISE NCL

[ib4cruzn]

If NCL gets flooded by smokers they will lose non smokers who make up 90% of the customers base.

 

Hmmm. Care to post a link to this demographic?

 

87 percent of all statistics are made-up on the spot...

[jerseyralph]

I can answer this one. Nicotine IS the drug that people get addicted to in a cigarette - IF they get addicted to it... but that's not the only reason people smoke. If it were just about the nicotine, then aids like nicorette would make it the simplest thing in the world to quit. The problem is that there is so much more involved; you've got something to do with your hands, something to do with your mouth, and possibly most important, the sensation of the hot smoke coming into your mouth and being inhaled down your throat. The act of smoking - for those who do enjoy it - is the most difficult thing to stop doing, even with a non-cigarette nicotine source. E cigs address this by providing all of the physical sensations of smoking without the smoke. They're genius. The only thing they really need to improve on is the senation of the 'cigarette' itself, which is much heavier and more solid than a real one. :)

 

Oh, how I love Canadians! Thanks for this.

 

Dr. Gina

[okwriter]

I am trying to cancell my Oct. 30, 2011, cruise because of the Carnival new smoking policy as of June 15, 2011. Carnival doesn't want to cancel my cruise. I know for a fact that some people here have been able to

cancel their cruise for Nov.11, 2011....because of the new smoking policy that took affect as of June 15,2011.

 

I have not been sucessful in canceling my cruise. I need HELP!

I booked through a Travel agency. He told me the Carnival resolution dept. would not approve my canceling without causing me to have to pay penalties. According to John Herald sp we are allowed to cancel cruises earlier than december.

Does anybody have any new information?

I really need advise. Comedians and looky loos please don't make fun of me or lecture me. THANK YOU. Lucy R.

 

Lucy,

I apologize on behalf of the people who can't read. :rolleyes:

I do hope you get your issue resolved to your satisfaction.

[muttley]

fill the inside cabins the smokers cancelled with the reintroduced 150% 1A rate for solo passengers.

 

/one can dream.

[Bo Didly]

Lucy,

I apologize on behalf of the people who can't read. :rolleyes:

I do hope you get your issue resolved to your satisfaction.

 

I think the question was answered early in the conversation.

Smoking threads often lead to heavy debating.:rolleyes:

[okwriter]

I think the question was answered early in the conversation.

Smoking threads often lead to heavy debating.:rolleyes:

 

I agree...the OP's question was answered.

 

Per CC sticky post:

 

 

We had a similar "sticky" thread up here in the Carnival forum for almost two years that appears to have gone unnoticed by some of you.

 

Essentially what we see happening is many people are posting silly responses to legitimate questions. This is also known as hijacking, which is the act of trying to steer a web forum discussion thread off topic by discussing a subject entirely unrelated to the subject at hand. This would also include -- but is not limited to -- making references to the original poster, or even to OTHER posters, that have nothing to do with the original subject.

 

There is far far too much of this going on in the CARNIVAL Forum.

 

We realize that in some instances, this happens naturally. However, it does appear to be intentional by certain members. Please be considerate of your fellow members; posting off topic within a discussion -- 'hijacking' -- is boring and only wastes everyone's time. As you know, we do have an "off topic" venue in Floataway Lounge for those of you who just want to chat with one another. Please use it.

 

Think twice and, for some of you, even three times before posting off topic in an existing discussion: not "thinking" may result in loss of your posting privileges on Cruise Critic. I've asked our hosts to pinpoint those members who habitually post nonsense in threads.

 

So, to sum it up: If you have nothing of value to add to a discussion that is ON TOPIC, don't bother to add anything at all.

[nanny_9_99]

will now that everyone is upset over the smoking what is next, people that drunk

[firefly333]

fill the inside cabins the smokers cancelled with the reintroduced 150% 1A rate for solo passengers.

 

/one can dream.

 

Im still hoping this happens in the future .. got all my fingers crossed. I wouldnt be flying 4 times in the next 10 months to do RCL cruises.