Who cancelled a cruise because of the new smoking policy?

[missypriss19]

its aboust respect of others.

I guess growing up in nyc.. living in close proximity to many different people ,with different habits…

We are on a ship, packed with 4000 people.. do your thing, respect others have fun

There is plenty of space to accommodate all and their habits whatever they are..

 

 

I could not say it better. I wish they would just remove these posts because people get so snotty and nasty.

[Bo Didly]

So a quick story.. I’m a casual smoker , usually when I have a drink or two ( and I only drink when I’m on a vacation). So we did a weekend trip to Orlando, went to the house of blue’s.. its always crowed and the wait can be long..there is a large porch outside for people waiting..

So we just finished dinner, waiting on some dessert and I step out for a smoke… go to the smoking area in the far corner ( a small 8x10 area) with standing ashtray.. and fire one up… had a couple or three margaritas in me.. standing there minding my biz and some lady with a guy and a baby carriage is about 8 ft from me , not happy at all, glaring at me

She comes up to me wagging her finger and tells me how second hand smoke is dangerous to her and her child… geeze

I finished it and told her and her husband its also very dangerous to come up to strangers pointing their fingers at them and telling what they should or could do… the guy almost went in his pants…

Its all about respect..

 

Most people I know would never have lit a cigarette up 8 ft from a baby.:rolleyes:

 

I think you handled the situation very poorly, the mother was concerned about her baby .

However she was wrong to approach you in a smoking area.

 

But you really were wrong to try and bicker with the husband over something his wife said to you. What could have escalated into both parties being arrested :eek:, just so you can light one up.

[sail-a-bration]

A plus side to the rule for smokers is they will get to know each other, make friends and have even more fun on their vacation. I quit about 25 years ago, but remember chatting with the others standing outside smoking on their break. We got to know each other and many became close friends.

[halos]

Most people I know would never have lit a cigarette up 8 ft from a baby.:rolleyes:

 

I think you handled the situation very poorly, the mother was concerned about her baby .

However she was wrong to approach you in a smoking area.

 

But you really were wrong to try and bicker with the husband over something his wife said to you. What could have escalated into both parties being arrested :eek:, just so you can light one up.

Really??????

If the mother was concerned about her baby, she wouldn't stand in the 8x10 foot smoking section WITH her baby. The poster was 'just lighting one up' in a smoking section.

I don't understand how this is so awful.

[iluvdoxies]

Wow, wow, wow! So basically what you're saying is, "to hell with whoever has a balcony on either side of us, because I will do what I want"! Even though they'd also like to fully enjoy THEIR vacation and the facilities THEY paid for.

 

No flaming from me; ignorant folks such as yourself will never get it, so it's not worth the time...

 

you are wrong, they are following the rules and smoking in an area where it is permitted.

 

Ignorant folks such as you will never get it !

[hubofhockey]

For me, now that I will have a chance at the piano bar, I am happy to put up with whatever blows my way on the balcony.:) Yes, I use my balcony quite a bit (or else I wouldn't book one). I understand that it is highly unlikely that if I have a smoker next to me, he or she (or they) will be out there 24/7 puffing away. When they are, I will just leave my balcony.

 

As someone who only books balcony cabins, I think the new policy will lead to more smoking on balconies. As a non-smoker who enjoys being out on my balcony, I think this will lead to less enjoyment of balconies by non-smokers who really have problems with second hand smoke. We booked a spa balcony cabin for our summer cruise on the Magic. If we ever cruise again on Carnival, it would have to be in a spa balcony cabin. I am very happy that Princess joined Celebrity in banning smoking on balconies and in cabins. I would like to think that it is only a matter of time when Royal Caribbean and Carnival adopt similar policies.

[iluvdoxies]

So a quick story.. I’m a casual smoker , usually when I have a drink or two ( and I only drink when I’m on a vacation). So we did a weekend trip to Orlando, went to the house of blue’s.. its always crowed and the wait can be long..there is a large porch outside for people waiting..

So we just finished dinner, waiting on some dessert and I step out for a smoke… go to the smoking area in the far corner ( a small 8x10 area) with standing ashtray.. and fire one up… had a couple or three margaritas in me.. standing there minding my biz and some lady with a guy and a baby carriage is about 8 ft from me , not happy at all, glaring at me

She comes up to me wagging her finger and tells me how second hand smoke is dangerous to her and her child… geeze

I finished it and told her and her husband its also very dangerous to come up to strangers pointing their fingers at them and telling what they should or could do… the guy almost went in his pants…

Its all about respect..

 

They did this in a smoking area ? Jeez, good for you for speaking up.

[Bo Didly]

Really??????

If the mother was concerned about her baby, she wouldn't stand in the 8x10 foot smoking section WITH her baby. The poster was 'just lighting one up' in a smoking section.

I don't understand how this is so awful.

 

ORLANDO HB really gets packed at times, the mother may not have known it was a smoking area .

 

Like I stated both parties were in the wrong, two wrongs don't make a right :D

BTW . Good Morning ;)

[halos]

As someone who only books balcony cabins, I think the new policy will lead to more smoking on balconies. As a non-smoker who enjoys being out on my balcony, I think this will lead to less enjoyment of balconies by non-smokers who really have problems with second hand smoke. .

 

It could.

I plan on waiting to see what happends before I get all crazy over it even though I am one who is very much bothered by cigarette smoke...some of the posters here truly imagine the entire outside balconies filled with smokers all day. I don't see that.

Most smokers didn't smoke in their cabins before...the change is not going to be that drastic.

If it is, then I will make a decision then. Guessing, assuming and worrying over what might be is just too much drama imo and I will avoid that. I have enough real stuff in my life to worry about...don't want to waste time on imagined stuff.

 

ORLANDO HB really gets packed at times, the mother may not have known it was a smoking area .

 

 

 

Like I stated both parties were in the wrong, two wrongs don't make a right

 

BTW . Good Morning

 

 

 

Good morning to you too.....

 

if someone wags a finger in my face, I might bite it :p

[hubofhockey]

you are wrong, they are following the rules and smoking in an area where it is permitted.

 

Ignorant folks such as you will never get it !

 

As a non-smoker who detests second hand smoke, I agree with you (well, not crazy about your namecalling). Until Carnival changes its policy, we'll either book spa balcony cabins where smoking is not allowed on balconies or cruise on other lines that don't allow smoking on balconies. I can't depend on smokers on either side of me to be considerate. Many of them smoke in their cars with windows closed and little kids riding with them. If they subject their own children to that, why should I expect any better on my balcony?

[SLP50]

Smoking is a fire hazard as well as a health hazard to the smoker and anyone near them. I believe that Carnival did not go far enough in the new smoking policy. I am allergic to smoke and am very uncomfortable when I am near it. I booked a balcony cabin because I want to enjoy the balcony. I do not want to be forced inside because someone next to me decides to smoke. Nonsmokers have rights too. Perhaps lumping all of the smokers together on a separate part of the ship is the answer. They can do what they want to do and the others can enjoy the vacation that they have paid for.

[Chris41]

I would like an honest answer from the non smokers without name calling or put downs.

 

What comes out of the stack on a cruise ship?

 

How much pollutant is each and every cruise ship putting into the air?

 

Why is all this cancer causing pollution ok to be put into the air we breath?

 

Why don't non smokers get angry with this smoke?

 

Now I am asking the non smokers this as I really want their honest answer and the reason is that a co-worker and I were talking about the smoking changes and how unhappy some non smokers are that carnival didn't go far enough. She has asked these exact questions to me so I am putting them out for your answers.

 

Just for a little background on my co worker. She is a non smoking enviromentalist with a masters degree in marine biology.

[ib4cruzn]

I could not say it better. I wish they would just remove these posts because people get so snotty and nasty.

 

Don't you just hate that old, wornout "Freedom of Speech" thing?

 

With anonymity comes contempt.

[hubofhockey]

I would like an honest answer from the non smokers without name calling or put downs.

 

What comes out of the stack on a cruise ship?

 

How much pollutant is each and every cruise ship putting into the air?

 

Why is all this cancer causing pollution ok to be put into the air we breath?

 

Why don't non smokers get angry with this smoke?

 

Now I am asking the non smokers this as I really want their honest answer and the reason is that a co-worker and I were talking about the smoking changes and how unhappy some non smokers are that carnival didn't go far enough. She has asked these exact questions to me so I am putting them out for your answers.

 

Just for a little background on my co worker. She is a non smoking enviromentalist with a masters degree in marine biology.

 

The smoke from the stacks may pollute the air. But the impact on cruise passengers is more indirect even though the impact on the environment may be worse and more direct. I guess you can call me a selfish non-smoker because I am more bothered by smelling the stench of your cigarette smoke than I am by the exhaust of from the pollution caused by the ship, which I can not smell. Of course, there are ways that cruise lines could limit the damage from those pollutants (filtration systems and other). Is that honest enough for you?

[Bigbob75]

Most people I know would never have lit a cigarette up 8 ft from a baby.:rolleyes:

 

I think you handled the situation very poorly, the mother was concerned about her baby .

However she was wrong to approach you in a smoking area.

 

But you really were wrong to try and bicker with the husband over something his wife said to you. What could have escalated into both parties being arrested :eek:, just so you can light one up.

Well your certainly entitled to your own opinion. That’s what makes the world go round.

A couple things though..

I was in a clearly marked smoking area, Much like they have on ships minding my own biz.

I would not “ light one up” with a kid around..even though it would have been my right.. she wandered into the space as she did not want to be in the crowds.. ( my assumption)

as for aprroaching the husband.. not true I approched both

I would also submit that I did her and her husband a big favor… there are a lot of crazy people out in the world (im not one of them) . should her finger wagging approach to the wrong person well … it’s a crazy world.

Also never worried about getting arrested as I do not break the law.

Again its about respect of others

[frito58]

I really don't see why someone would cancel a cruise because of the new smoking policy. I mean If you cant go a few hours without one than book a balcony . As for non smokers , I have been on 11 cruises even ask my wife last night. We have never even noticed anyone smoking next to us on a balcony always figured the wind took the smoke out and away. I do love the fact no smoking in the piano bar , it can become quite brutal in there at night. I will smoke a vacation cigar so smoke doesnt really bother me , but I don't like to have a cloud of it over me . The casino can be a killer as well so it should help there as well. So I guess what I am saying as person that can take it or leave it the new policy seems like a winner to me.

[babyher]

ORLANDO HB really gets packed at times, the mother may not have known it was a smoking area .

 

Like I stated both parties were in the wrong, two wrongs don't make a right :D

BTW . Good Morning ;)

 

 

Well if you or your childs health is so precious to you , then the onus is on you to make sure it is a smoking or non smoking area.

 

I as a smoker always make sure I am in a smoking area before I light up. I look for a sign or I ask an employee whatever.

 

Non smokers should do the same . I guess they are so used to having such a wide berth of non smokeing areas they just feel everywhere belongs to them.

 

I think the mother was very wrong for just jumping at the poster like that waving fingers and scolding him.

 

The poster wasn't her child or her husband so turn off the Beyotch lights honey.

 

 

Like one other poster mentioned . You don't know who the hell you are dealing with out in public.. And you don't know what it is that will set them off.

 

 

Being a 9-1-1 dispatcher for too mnay years than I care to count , I can tell you there are people laying in coffins, or sittinmg in wheelchairs and or jail for making a simple remark or gesture like that.

[raylene5]

As someone who only books balcony cabins, I think the new policy will lead to more smoking on balconies. As a non-smoker who enjoys being out on my balcony, I think this will lead to less enjoyment of balconies by non-smokers who really have problems with second hand smoke. We booked a spa balcony cabin for our summer cruise on the Magic. If we ever cruise again on Carnival, it would have to be in a spa balcony cabin. I am very happy that Princess joined Celebrity in banning smoking on balconies and in cabins. I would like to think that it is only a matter of time when Royal Caribbean and Carnival adopt similar policies.

 

I think there will be a lot more smoking on balconies with these new policies, unfortunately. BUT, because the number of non-smokers far outweigh the number of smokers, Carnival will eventually prohibit smoking on balconies as well...my guess is that it will happen within 2 years. There are simply going to be too many complaints from non-smokers about not being able to enjoy their balconies that Carnival will be forced to change policy. And spare me the cr@p about smokers having the right to "enjoy" their balcony. Take a walk and go enjoy your cig in a designated outside area somewhere else. Or better yet, stop smoking.

[halos]

I as a smoker always make sure I am in a smoking area before I light up. I look for a sign or I ask an employee whatever.

 

Non smokers should do the same .

 

Totally agree. It's not just about common courtesy, it's about personal responsibility on both sides of the issue.

 

I would like an honest answer from the non smokers without name calling or put downs.

 

 

 

What comes out of the stack on a cruise ship?

 

 

 

How much pollutant is each and every cruise ship putting into the air?

 

 

 

Why is all this cancer causing pollution ok to be put into the air we breath?

 

 

 

Why don't non smokers get angry with this smoke?

 

 

 

Now I am asking the non smokers this as I really want their honest answer and the reason is that a co-worker and I were talking about the smoking changes and how unhappy some non smokers are that carnival didn't go far enough. She has asked these exact questions to me so I am putting them out for your answers.

 

 

 

Just for a little background on my co worker. She is a non smoking enviromentalist with a masters degree in marine biology.

 

 

 

Honest answer:

 

I have noticed that CCL ships emit more pitch black smoke from that stack than any other line I have sailed. They may stay within guidelines as far as what fuel grade they use, but I think that other lines prurchase fuel above the minimum accepted because only on CCL have I had soot wind up ON me. I see smoke coming from stacks on other lines that is far lighter in color...I don't know the reason, I assume it's fuel grade.

 

Yes, it bothers the crap out of me when I wind up with a balcony full of soot or wind up with it raining down on me while I am on the pool deck (this has happend)

 

Now, my honest question to you. How does bringing up other 'bad' things make cigarette smoking better??

Yes, there are cancer causing pollutants everywhere and no, we are not Ok with it. That's why there are government regulations, which will likely get stricter as time goes on as well.

[lillian marie]

Curlydog is correct on the cruiser demographics. CCL did it's research. Smoking is not only a health hazard to nonsmokers but causes damage to furniture and carpets and could cause ship board fires. It's new smoking policy is far more liberal than in my state. If many smokers book NCL more nonsmoker NCL cruisers will book CCL. A friend who's an NCL cruiser made that comment to me yesterday. The bottom line is more people don't smoke than do so this is simply a majority rule of sorts decision by CCL.

[jerseyralph]

I would like an honest answer from the non smokers without name calling or put downs.

 

What comes out of the stack on a cruise ship?

 

How much pollutant is each and every cruise ship putting into the air?

 

Why is all this cancer causing pollution ok to be put into the air we breath?

 

Why don't non smokers get angry with this smoke?

 

Now I am asking the non smokers this as I really want their honest answer and the reason is that a co-worker and I were talking about the smoking changes and how unhappy some non smokers are that carnival didn't go far enough. She has asked these exact questions to me so I am putting them out for your answers.

 

Just for a little background on my co worker. She is a non smoking enviromentalist with a masters degree in marine biology.

 

Some non-smokers do get angry with the smoke emenating from all kinds of ships, incuding cargo ships. Building cars overseas and shipping them to the USA contributes to pollution. Two or three wrongs do not make a right.

 

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/04/cargo-ship-emissions-more-than-760-million-cars.php

 

http://na.oceana.org/en/our-work/stop-ocean-pollution/cruise-ship-pollution/overview

 

Some are taking strong stands. You and your co-worker might enjoy reading this:

 

http://southbrooklynpost.com/news-views/cruise-ship-air-pollutio/

 

As individuals.....we do have significant power to limit cigarette smoke pollution. Those of us whose lives have been significantly impacted by the awful effects of cigarette smoke, do react to those who want to shove their silly habit in our faces and expose us to even more pollution than we already endure.

 

I am sure your marine biologist co-worker would be also concerned with the waste that is expelled from cruise and cargo ships. We really all need to stop pooping during sailings. That too, is causing harm.

[molole]

Does anyone if the new smoking policy affect the new Breeze?

 

Specifically the 11/24/2012 cruise?

[MissDiva1]

I have come to the conclusion that this has nothing to do with smoking and non smoking and all to do with deeper issues that cannot be resolved by any cruiseline.........

[Shelli]

So it looks like NCL and HAL are the last mainstream cruise lines for those who don't want so many restrictions on their smoking.

 

Not HAL. This is from HAL's website:

 

For the comfort of all of our guests, based on an increased desire expressed by the majority of our guests, we are changing our smoking policy as of January 15, 2012.

 

Presently, all indoor areas are designated non-smoking with the exception of:

 

 

Casino

Northern Lights Disco (ms Eurodam, ms Oosterdam, ms Noordam, ms Nieuw Amsterdam, ms Westerdam & ms Zuiderdam only)

Seaview Bar (except ms Maasdam, ms Ryndam & ms Statendam)

Sports Bar

Crow's Nest (except ms Eurodam, ms Oosterdam, ms Noordam, ms Nieuw Amsterdam, ms Westerdam & ms Zuiderdam)

 

 

 

All showrooms are nonsmoking during performances.

 

There are selected areas of the outside decks where smoking is allowable. Cigar and pipe smoking is only permitted on the outside decks.

 

Our ships do not currently have "nonsmoking" staterooms; however, all rooms are thoroughly cleaned after each cruise to assure the comfort of our guests

 

 

 

For all cruises departing on or after January 15, 2012

 

All staterooms will be non-smoking areas, in addition to the other areas that were already defined as non-smoking. Smoking will continue to be permitted outside on stateroom verandahs. There are designated areas available for smoking both inside the ships and on outside decks as detailed above.

[babyher]

I have come to the conclusion that this has nothing to do with smoking and non smoking and all to do with deeper issues that cannot be resolved by any cruiseline.........

 

 

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar :)