Who cancelled a cruise because of the new smoking policy?

[Bo Didly]

I agree...the OP's question was answered.

 

Per CC sticky post:

 

 

We had a similar "sticky" thread up here in the Carnival forum for almost two years that appears to have gone unnoticed by some of you.

 

Essentially what we see happening is many people are posting silly responses to legitimate questions. This is also known as hijacking, which is the act of trying to steer a web forum discussion thread off topic by discussing a subject entirely unrelated to the subject at hand. This would also include -- but is not limited to -- making references to the original poster, or even to OTHER posters, that have nothing to do with the original subject.

 

There is far far too much of this going on in the CARNIVAL Forum.

 

We realize that in some instances, this happens naturally. However, it does appear to be intentional by certain members. Please be considerate of your fellow members; posting off topic within a discussion -- 'hijacking' -- is boring and only wastes everyone's time. As you know, we do have an "off topic" venue in Floataway Lounge for those of you who just want to chat with one another. Please use it.

 

Think twice and, for some of you, even three times before posting off topic in an existing discussion: not "thinking" may result in loss of your posting privileges on Cruise Critic. I've asked our hosts to pinpoint those members who habitually post nonsense in threads.

 

So, to sum it up: If you have nothing of value to add to a discussion that is ON TOPIC, don't bother to add anything at all.

 

Well when you read these forums for years,

You could say all those "Official" forums are in fact doing the same thing.

 

Good Morning ,Bo

Good Morning, Mary

Good Morning ,Sue

Good Night " insert 300 names to a different post per name "

 

How the weather ?

It's Hot !

Its raining over here.

NOOO !

I ran a troll off last night that got on my nerves.

You did ?

Yea you know me , I'm rough and tough when I need to be.

 

 

So in you own words what would you like for all these people to talk about.

Give us a clue .;)

[RuthlessBoss]

I can answer this one. Nicotine IS the drug that people get addicted to in a cigarette - IF they get addicted to it... but that's not the only reason people smoke. If it were just about the nicotine, then aids like nicorette would make it the simplest thing in the world to quit. The problem is that there is so much more involved; you've got something to do with your hands, something to do with your mouth, and possibly most important, the sensation of the hot smoke coming into your mouth and being inhaled down your throat. The act of smoking - for those who do enjoy it - is the most difficult thing to stop doing, even with a non-cigarette nicotine source. E cigs address this by providing all of the physical sensations of smoking without the smoke. They're genius. The only thing they really need to improve on is the senation of the 'cigarette' itself, which is much heavier and more solid than a real one. :)

Agree. This is what people don't understand. I have a E kit, but it sure klinks hard on an ashtray subconciously trying to flick the "ashes" off:eek: I can't keep a good liplock on the solid filter area:o I hope someone can invent a softer tip, they might become rich.

[futaba951]

I can answer this one. Nicotine IS the drug that people get addicted to in a cigarette - IF they get addicted to it... but that's not the only reason people smoke. If it were just about the nicotine, then aids like nicorette would make it the simplest thing in the world to quit. The problem is that there is so much more involved; you've got something to do with your hands, something to do with your mouth, and possibly most important, the sensation of the hot smoke coming into your mouth and being inhaled down your throat. The act of smoking - for those who do enjoy it - is the most difficult thing to stop doing, even with a non-cigarette nicotine source. E cigs address this by providing all of the physical sensations of smoking without the smoke. They're genius. The only thing they really need to improve on is the senation of the 'cigarette' itself, which is much heavier and more solid than a real one. :)

 

You are absolutely correct about the reasons that I smoked and continue to use e-cigs for now. I have a habit of having something in my hand and mouth. I probably could have taken up chewing on pencils initially and gotten just as much satisfaction. I don't think it's the nicotine so much as I have experimented with varying levels of nicotine as well as 0 nicotine when refilling my e-cig cartridges and have noticed no difference using any level. You are also right about the weight of e-cigs since 75% of an e-cig consist of the battery. I find myself holding it by the end (the lit end of a cigarette) and have gotten some funny looks as I'm sure people have wondered how I was not burning my fingers. I'm sure that eventually I will give up the e-cigs as well but at least for now they are a better alternative. :)

[Bo Didly]

You are absolutely correct about the reasons that I smoked and continue to use e-cigs for now. I have a habit of having something in my hand and mouth. I probably could have taken up chewing on pencils initially and gotten just as much satisfaction. I don't think it's the nicotine so much as I have experimented with varying levels of nicotine as well as 0 nicotine when refilling my e-cig cartridges and have noticed no difference using any level. You are also right about the weight of e-cigs since 75% of an e-cig consist of the battery. I find myself holding it by the end (the lit end of a cigarette) and have gotten some funny looks as I'm sure people have wondered how I was not burning my fingers. I'm sure that eventually I will give up the e-cigs as well but at least for now they are a better alternative. :)

 

O nicotine :eek:. I must get DW to try one of those things .

[futaba951]

Agree. This is what people don't understand. I have a E kit, but it sure klinks hard on an ashtray subconciously trying to flick the "ashes" off:eek: I can't keep a good liplock on the solid filter area:o I hope someone can invent a softer tip, they might become rich.

 

Nucig has a soft tip cartimizer that is supposed to feel like the real thing. I have not tried it. I don't know what brand you use so it might be expensive to switch at this point.

 

http://www.nucig-usa.com/

[DGP1111]

I think some people were looking for a way to cancel with no penalties.. like above .. the person already wanted to cancel?

 

The thread here, on CC earlier, was like ok folks, if you were looking for a way to cancel, here it is .. just say you smoke.

 

You are correct, Firefly.

 

It's probably a wrong method (with karma points being lost in the process), but there definitely are some who wanted to take advantage of the loophole that John Heald appeared to dangle in front of reader's eyes . . . and after checking, then re-checking his words, they are still not totally clear. That can easily happen anywhere when new policies are introduced, and people have to adjust to them.

 

I may know of one non-smoking passenger who booked waaaaaaay in advance of a late 2011 sailing via Early Saver rates, and was now hoping to cancel that sailing without penalty because that passenger has simply decided they don't want to continue cruising on CCL (but the cruise was booked, and fully paid, prior to becoming very dissatisfied with the product). It appears that passenger is simply gonna have to suck it up and accept the current corporate terms/decision . . . or, perhaps, just cancel with the penalty.

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[kerrytens]

You are correct, Firefly.

 

It's probably a wrong method (with karma points being lost in the process), but there definitely are some who wanted to take advantage of the loophole that John Heald appeared to dangle in front of reader's eyes . . . and after checking, then re-checking his words, they are still not totally clear. That can easily happen anywhere when new policies are introduced, and people have to adjust to them.

 

I may know of one non-smoking passenger who booked waaaaaaay in advance of a late 2011 sailing via Early Saver rates, and was now hoping to cancel that sailing without penalty because that passenger has simply decided they don't want to continue cruising on CCL (but the cruise was booked, and fully paid, prior to becoming very dissatisfied with the product). It appears that passenger is simply gonna have to suck it up and accept the current corporate terms/decision . . . or, perhaps, just cancel with the penalty.

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Why doesn't 'that' person just use the new policy to his/her benefit right now:p

 

I hear there are some cabins available still on a certain December cruise;)

[ib4cruzn]

will now that everyone is upset over the smoking what is next, people that drunk

 

LOL!!! Talk about a classic post!

 

I think I've had too much to drunk...

[SunshineOnTheBrain]

I booked 3 new ones !!!!!!!

 

Me too!!! LOL

[Mrs.C05]

I have not seen the entire policy change. That is all there is, no smoking in the piano bar and cabins? As a safety factor, I thought that no smoking was permitted in cabins. Wow! Cancel a cruise. :rolleyes:

 

Yes, I thought that smoking was NOT permitted in the staterooms, only in designated areas, for safety reasons. Glad to hear this is a change, because I do not care to have an incident like Princess Star did 4 years ago (give or take).

[Mrs.C05]

If someone calls you out for an e-cig, especially if you are using one with a non red glow tip or a funky colored battery that is clearly not a cigarette, they are just crusading for the sake of being a troublemaker. After using e-cigs for a few months, I can hardly stand the taste of a real cigarette. And I've saved over $300 in that time period.

 

My MIL uses this and loves them because she can still work while "smoking". I don't mind going over to their house either, because we don't leave smelling like an ashtray (no offense!) and I'm not sensitive to it. (Had airway surgery so I'm pretty cautious of what I'm around). She can't stand the real deal either. Whoever made these e-cigs are making a killing!

[boaterette]

Yes, I thought that smoking was NOT permitted in the staterooms, only in designated areas, for safety reasons. Glad to hear this is a change, because I do not care to have an incident like Princess Star did 4 years ago (give or take).

 

You do know that all most all fires on ships start in the kitchen. OH MY GOD NO MORE HOT FOOD. There has not been one fire started in a staterroom by a cig. One by a life vest in the room but not a cig.

[mariemorgan]

There has not been one fire started in a staterroom by a cig. One by a life vest in the room but not a cig.

 

Star Princess.. Go read.

[boaterette]

Star Princess.. Go read.

 

It started on the balcony. Go read.

[mariemorgan]

Yeah on a Balcony because of a cigarette not a Kitchen.

[Ratt]

There has not been one fire started in a staterroom by a cig. One by a life vest in the room but not a cig.

 

Star Princess.. Go read.

 

 

Technically they are correct since the fire on the Star Princess started on the balcony.

 

"The fire was probably caused by a cigarette left burning on a balcony".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Princess

 

What I found interesting from the article is the comment about no sprinklers on the balcony. On our recent Solstice cruise I was trying to figure out what the noozles on the balconies were for. Now I know. :D

[Havingfun2010]

Everytime this happens, such as when a state creates more restrictive laws, or a business, or company creates a more restrictive environment for smokers, the same arguments pop up. People will not go eat out any more, they will not cruise, they will not go to Disney World, and so on and so on. The reality is that smokers without a doubt, know they are harming themselves, the employees that must work in that environment, the people around them etc, but yet with knowing the harm that is created, the topic of leaving "Carnival" to go someplace else, is just a short term fix for a trend that will only continue to become more strict in the years to come. There is no valid argument for allowing smoking in the inside venues of any business. I'm still waiting for that good reason.

 

In the meantime, Carnival will increase their business, and the workers on board the ship, will be happier and healthier. Way to go Carnival!

[zqvol]

The quote says 'if you are Early Saver'. Maybe the OP is not Early Saver. EM

 

 

Well then the OP can cancel without penalty because they are so far out.

[truchattycathy]

WOW, after looking at those pics, why bicker about where the fire started. That is scary!

[firefly333]

The quote says 'if you are Early Saver'. Maybe the OP is not Early Saver. EM

 

post 21

Thank you all for your advise and information. I booked an Early Saver cruise. I found out that a cruise critic member was able to cancel a Sept. 20,2011 cruise.

 

I have already been able to cancel two Carnival future cruises for 2012.

I plan to call my T.A. tomorrow and ask again if I can cancel my cruise with no penalties.

 

Ok, we know the OP booked ES. Sounds like the problem is if you want to cancel before the full policy actually kicks in on 12/1/11.

[Bo Didly]

Technically they are correct since the fire on the Star Princess started on the balcony.

 

"The fire was probably caused by a cigarette left burning on a balcony".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Princess

 

What I found interesting from the article is the comment about no sprinklers on the balcony. On our recent Solstice cruise I was trying to figure out what the noozles on the balconies were for. Now I know. :D

 

 

We can't say probably, if we're not sure .

Was there any evidence available ?

[Ratt]

We can't say probably, if we're not sure .

Was there any evidence available ?

 

"The fire started on an external stateroom balcony sited on deck 10 in the centre of main vertical zone 3, on the vessel’s port side. It was probably caused by a discarded cigarette end heating combustible materials on a balcony, which smouldered for about 20 minutes before flames developed."

 

I would say that there wasn't hard disputable evidence since it was listed as the "probable" cause, but I believe this is typical with fire investigations. The investigators do the best they can to determine the cause but many times the fire destroys a lot of the evidence. But that doesn't mean they can't come up with a cause. The way the fire started, burned, and spread can tell a lot.

 

Now I will apologize for this thread getting high jacked and will let it go back to what the OP originally created it for. I'd be glad to talk about this more if you want to create a new thread. :D

[Hsscienceteacher]

I am not anti-smoking in the sense that smoking should be illegal but it's been proven without a doubt that smoking is harmful to ALL. What people do in their private homes is up to them but when you put 3000 people in one place why should the majority be subjected to a proven bad habit?

 

I know people will say that they only smoke in their cabins or balconies but what about when you open the door? Even if 2% of second hand smoke seeps out that's 2% too much.

 

Do smokers even think that smoke smells even remotely good?

 

Well said. Why should I have to breathe the smoke when I choose not to smoke.

[Zubsin]

I would book more cruises with a more restrictive smoking policy not less. It sucks (no pun intended) to have to dry clean my clothes because I wanted to go to the Piano Bar or Casino. Donna

[RMcoolX]

To each his own, unless it blows in my face. I like Carnival's new policy, and I wish they would extend it to include the balconies. I'm getting tired of trying to find a balcony that is upwind from "smoking" balconies.