Smoking on balconies

[cruz chic]

Didn't think about the ac, I thought since each cabin had their own thermostat, it wouldn't make any difference. If I turn my ac off and open the door how does that compromise the other cabins, not sure. Don't remember any rules about the balcony door. Many people go in and out of their balcony all day, and leave the door open, how does that affect the ac.

 

 

Smoking bothers me, sorry. I assumed for some reason that smoking was only allowed in the casino or smoking areas on the ship, not on each balcony. I haven't cruised in 6 years, I would have thought things would have changed on more lines after the Celebrity incident. It was a surprise when I read it in the pamphlet.

 

The other CC is College Confidential.

Was there a fire on Celebrity? I don't recall that. Ive only heard about Princess. Also, you can't turn off the a/c. As far as you affecting the a/c with your balcony door open please do a search. There have been many threads about it. Seems like you ok with disrupting the a/c flow and enjoyment of others by keeping your door open but you don't want others to bother you with smoke. I don't like smoke either but I'm having a hard time feeling any sympathy for you.

[Randyk47]

Didn't think about the ac, I thought since each cabin had their own thermostat, it wouldn't make any difference. If I turn my ac off and open the door how does that compromise the other cabins, not sure. Don't remember any rules about the balcony door. Many people go in and out of their balcony all day, and leave the door open, how does that affect the ac.

 

On at least HAL the HVAC system always runs at some level for air exchange. It may not be cooling or heating but it's pumping fresh air into the cabin or, as tight as the cabins are, you'd have condensation and eventually breathing problems. People simply going in and out of their balcony, closing the door behind them, isn't an issue. Opening it and leaving it open compromises the air flow. Air goes where there is the least resistance and an open balcony door would mean your cabin is open to the outside and therefore the least resistance.

[tip]

My guess is it is just a matter of time before smoking on balconies is prohibited.

 

The sooner the better!;)

[Boytjie]

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[hal lover]

Yes, good point on Celebrity, we cruised them once and rather liked it. We have only cruised HAL once and really liked it, cruised RCI & Disney a bunch. But now that we are empty-nesters we thought we'd try HAL again. We thought Half Moon Cay was the best private island.

 

I remember when Celebrity had that balcony fire, I think that was the last year we cruised. That must be why they have such a restrictive policy. But, my thoughts are that HAL cruisers wouldn't be big smokers in general.

 

Uh, what is the problem with keeping the balcony door open? I like to hear the waves. Why do I need a bungee. I sleep with one eye open, do we really think people are climbing in other people's balconies?

 

It wasn't actually a brochure, it was a letter with a pamphlet. I wouldn't have thought about the smoking if it wasn't mentioned in the brochure.

 

So you are saying that smoke bothers YOU, well leaving your balcony door open bothers ME. The AC cannot do it's job when it has to compete with the warm air of the Caribbean. GEEZ!

[1 HappyCruiser]

Keeping the balcony door open for only a few cabins has little or no effect on the AC for nearby cabins. Other that a slightly increased load for the ships units you'll never notice any decrease in amount of cooling elsewhere but I would suspect a large number of smokers on balconies doing exactly that in the near future and if dozens of cabins were to all do it at the same time, it just might.

[wurmine]

We just cruised with MSC for the first time, and smoking was forbidden on the balconies. And- never seen this before- you could leave the door open all night, as they had sliding doors(turned off the AC anyway) . On HAL we could never keep the door open for a while and often got the smell of smoke, which doesn´t bother me too much but my little sons.

[excruisestaff]

We just cruised with MSC for the first time, and smoking was forbidden on the balconies. And- never seen this before- you could leave the door open all night, as they had sliding doors(turned off the AC anyway) . On HAL we could never keep the door open for a while and often got the smell of smoke, which doesn´t bother me too much but my little sons.

 

Wow, you were lucky that your were on a ship that you could actually turn off your a/c and not just be able to change the temperature on the thermostat. We were on MSC a few years ago (worst cruise ever but that's another story) and like other lines, although not a written rule, it was asked of passengers to NOT leave balcony doors open. Maybe that has changed now or maybe you just didn't hear them ask that? MSC's non-smoking balcony policy is only for their North American routes though. Way too many smokers on their European routes, even for some smokers!

 

Maxine

[excruisestaff]

So you are saying that smoke bothers YOU, well leaving your balcony door open bothers ME. The AC cannot do it's job when it has to compete with the warm air of the Caribbean. GEEZ!

 

 

I don't like loud, obnoxious, foul mouthed drunks. Should they stop serving alcohol? What about rude people? Should they have a "time out" area just for them? ;) And if they ban smoking altogether, they should also not be allowed to sell them in their shops and make a profit from them.

 

And as far as the other poster's comment about it being okay for a few cabins to keep their balcony door open, how would the lines limit it to just a few? Do we draw straws? Or maybe they could charge an extra fee for it? Anything to overwork the ship's operation should be a concern to us all, even if it's just a "few" cabins.

 

I don't mean to offend anyone, but we all should be very well aware beforehand of the do's and don't's of the line/ship we book and choose the one that personally suits us best. Just my opinion.

 

Maxine

[babyher]

Uh, the new restriction is just for cigarettes, I mean Tobaco, right? I mean I can still smoke my pot or crack in the cabin can't I?:D

 

 

NOPE .. But, you can make a nice pan of brownies and bring them along, or you can bust up the rock and snort it. BUT ABSOLUTELY NO SMOKING !!!!!!! *LOL* :)

[Sea42]

Keeping the balcony door open for only a few cabins has little or no effect on the AC for nearby cabins. Other that a slightly increased load for the ships units you'll never notice any decrease in amount of cooling elsewhere but I would suspect a large number of smokers on balconies doing exactly that in the near future and if dozens of cabins were to all do it at the same time, it just might.

Sorry, I don't understand. Are you saying smokers would be more likely to leave the balcony door open? Why would that be? Wouldn't that smoke smell get into the cabin that way making those passengers more likely to get the $250 fine?

[1 HappyCruiser]

Sorry, I don't understand. Are you saying smokers would be more likely to leave the balcony door open? Why would that be? Wouldn't that smoke smell get into the cabin that way making those passengers more likely to get the $250 fine?

 

Obviously I don't know anything for sure but it seems to me that as soon as the new no smoking rules begin they'll be more smokers sitting in their cabins with the balcony doors open trying to ventilate the cabins. Who knows?

[amster65]

I would like to know how you keep the balcony door open on HAL. They dont have sliders. Every time I openend the door at sea there was a fantastic suction efect, I was in 7001 though. The only smoke I smelled was from the bridge...... LOL

[Sea42]

Obviously I don't know anything for sure but it seems to me that as soon as the new no smoking rules begin they'll be more smokers sitting in their cabins with the balcony doors open trying to ventilate the cabins. Who knows?

Oh, OK. I get your line of thinking now. Time will tell if people are able to follow the rules.

[innlady1]

Ooooo, smoking and leaving balcony doors open! Can we toss formal nights into this mix?

 

Where's my popcorn? :D

 

When you find the popcorn, would you please pass me some, Peter ? :eek: :rolleyes: :D

[Homala]

Just got back from a two week cruise - had a verandah and had neighbors who smoked. I don't know how many people were out there - either two or three. Their smoke did bother my DH and I when we were all out at the same time. That was just a couple of times over the two weeks, but it was enough for us to retreat inside when they were out smoking.

 

As for leaving balcony doors open - as previously stated, you aren't supposed to do that. They even have little stickers on the balcony doors asking you not to do so. Maybe that's new since you (OP) cruised last.

 

Rules are rules, so they should be followed - whether they are rules that "benefit" you or "irritate" you. Look at all the rules of the various cruiselines and pick the one (or none) that you think will suit you best. Then make the best of it, because no one and no cruiseline is perfect.

 

Happy cruising!

[Sea42]

 

Rules are rules, so they should be followed - whether they are rules that "benefit" you or "irritate" you. Look at all the rules of the various cruiselines and pick the one (or none) that you think will suit you best. Then make the best of it, because no one and no cruiseline is perfect.

 

Happy cruising!

Excellent advice! If people would choose the line that suits them we'd all have a happy cruise.

[sail7seas]

Excellent advice! If people would choose the line that suits them we'd all have a happy cruise.

 

 

If we all could design for our individual tastes, everything involved in deciding which cruise line would be so simple.

 

Clearly, it isn't quite that easy.

 

I love just about all things re: HAL miles more than any other cruise line. We have over 700 days with them. We love the crews/ships/itineraries blah blah blah

 

We hate smoking.

Our approach is make our opinionsknown in the appropriate ways and do the best we can to avoid smokers where possible.

 

You think it easy, clear and obvious we should just stop sailing HAL? We don't agree.

 

Hopefully, more smokers will 'see the 'light' and quit and all of us will be better for it.

 

IMO

 

 

 

[innlady1]

Was there a fire on Celebrity? I don't recall that. Ive only heard about Princess. Also, you can't turn off the a/c. As far as you affecting the a/c with your balcony door open please do a search. There have been many threads about it. Seems like you ok with disrupting the a/c flow and enjoyment of others by keeping your door open but you don't want others to bother you with smoke. I don't like smoke either but I'm having a hard time feeling any sympathy for you.

 

I don't recall a fire on Celebrity either, but there could well have been. I do remember the fire in March of '06 on the Star Princess that started on a balcony and damaged a significant number of cabins...and one death and a lot of injuries resulted. Reason I remember the time frame is because our first cruise was on the Caribbean Princess a month earlier. And, I came home and joined CC, so read it here and saw it on the news. It's been a long time coming for Princess to eliminate smoking on balconies...and I would think others would have followed suit after that tragedy.

[Sea42]

Our approach is make our opinions known in the appropriate ways and do the best we can to avoid smokers where possible.

 

You think it easy, clear and obvious we should just stop sailing HAL? We don't agree.

 

 

 

You've obviously found a line that suits you most of your needs. But to continually complain about a situation that you know going in exists to me makes no sense. I've only been on 3 cruises. I have yet to have a problem with smoke odors but if I found my balcony was unusable for a good part of my cruise due to the smoking policies of a particular line I would not return until they changed their policies. And I would certainly let them know why I would not be returning. I just can't understand being loyal to a company that provides me with unpleasant experience. My vacation dollars are important to me and I won't spend them somewhere I have been unhappy. I believe we each have to decide for ourselves what we will tolerate.

[1 HappyCruiser]

You've obviously found a line that suits you most of your needs. But to continually complain about a situation that you know going in exists to me makes no sense. I've only been on 3 cruises. I have yet to have a problem with smoke odors but if I found my balcony was unusable for a good part of my cruise due to the smoking policies of a particular line I would not return until they changed their policies. And I would certainly let them know why I would not be returning. I just can't understand being loyal to a company that provides me with unpleasant experience. My vacation dollars are important to me and I won't spend them somewhere I have been unhappy. I believe we each have to decide for ourselves what we will tolerate.

 

It could be that the person you're referring to has considerable time built up with the cruise line that occurred in the days when smoking restrictions on all cruise lines were practically the same. To have them change at this point would be an insult.

[m steve]

Cruisers who are allergic or intolerant of smoke have so many other choices they don't need HAL to change for their benefit. We used to saiil X and Princess but no longer do. They have lost our business due to their policy. The anti smokers can choose with their dollars as well and not sail HAL ships.

[excruisestaff]

You've obviously found a line that suits you most of your needs. But to continually complain about a situation that you know going in exists to me makes no sense. I've only been on 3 cruises. I have yet to have a problem with smoke odors but if I found my balcony was unusable for a good part of my cruise due to the smoking policies of a particular line I would not return until they changed their policies. And I would certainly let them know why I would not be returning. I just can't understand being loyal to a company that provides me with unpleasant experience. My vacation dollars are important to me and I won't spend them somewhere I have been unhappy. I believe we each have to decide for ourselves what we will tolerate.

 

Here here! Very well said :D

[Boytjie]

When you find the popcorn, would you please pass me some, Peter ? :eek: :rolleyes: :D

 

Who said anything about sharing?! Every man and woman for themselves.. :D

[Swelldame]

Who said anything about sharing?! Every man and woman for themselves.. :D

 

LOL! Sounds like the Wajang Theatre at showtime!