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I could see an 11PM or even midnight curfew since they ARE on vacation, too, and some of the scheduled teen events go on until that time... But I'm sorry, I don't get 1AM and I definitely don't get 2AM! What parent lets their child stay up that late???

 

2AM for late teens under chaperoned events is no problem for me, I just wouldn't want them wandering the ship at all hours. I didn't start crusiing until my daughter graduated college so my only experience with kids on cruises is avoiding them ;) That said, I've seen them leaving the kids clubs after midnight and going straight to their cabins.

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Got a news flash for you. The ship is based in the US and I will bet you a weeks paycheck that the majority of passengers are from the US. The curfew is too late regardless of cultures. Also wanna bet that the majority of passengers on a US based Royal ship are US citizens? So yes they are catering to us.;););)

 

Culture differences on a ship can be interesting to say the least. On my last cruise there was a young girl walking around the pool deck without her bikini top on. Needless to say, I was extremely shocked but knowing they were a family from Europe and the cultures are different they were obviously used to this. My girls will be keeping their entire bathing suit on at all times but I guess to each their own.

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Exactly right and why there should be no curfew set by the ship.

 

I agree with the curfew. It is not up to me nor is it my business what time other parents let their children roam the ship. I personally wouldn't let my 12 year old out that late unless she was with me although she's usually in bed by 9 PM on her own. There is really nothing for children to do on a cruise ship at 2am and being a bit of a paranoid person I am to worried about something happening to my kids. My kids are more content hanging out with my wife and I which I enjoy anyway since I am on a family vacation. Our upcoming cruise on Allure will be the first for my little one who will be 5 at the time and loves to socialize with other children. Because of this, I assume she will be wanting to go play at AO all the time.

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I agree with you about a lot of parents but using that logic I could say a lot of "adults" don't behave very well after nights of partying, and crew is needed to "watch out" for them so perhaps they should institute a curfew for everyone?

 

Curfew at 2 AM is fine-it is the parent's job to know and monitor their kids. And it is each adults job to know and monitor themselves.

 

Honestly, I have had more 'annoyance' with drunk adults than wild kids.

 

Just sayin'

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Curfew at 2 AM is fine-it is the parent's job to know and monitor their kids. And it is each adults job to know and monitor themselves.

 

Honestly, I have had more 'annoyance' with drunk adults than wild kids.

 

Just sayin'

Me too by a long shot

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My "babies" are now 31 and 28, so it has been awhile since I traveled with younger children. However, I will say that my expectations for travel while I did have younger children and my expectations for travel now are totally different. Travel with younger children meant that I couldn't do everything I wanted to do because I was responsible for my younger children - not cruise line or hotel security.

 

I personally think that 2:00 a.m. is way too late unless (maybe) it because unless it marks the end of a ship sponsored event.

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Really, I have no problem with the 2 am curfew (it was 1 am on our recent Jewel cruise). It is up to the parents what time their child has to be in. My 15 yo was allowed to stay with his friends until midnight, but he usually chose not to because there was a show he wanted to see with me, or he was just plain tired and wanted to go back to the cabin and watch a movie and enjoy room service. :) It's the parent's job to set a reasonable curfew, not the ship's.

 

Exactly right and why there should be no curfew set by the ship.

 

You 2 need to look at the bigger picture. Yes, the parents absolutely are responsible. I agree with that. However, at 2 am, the cruise ship is in the middle of the ocean. For liability purposes, they need to set a curfew. Nothing good happens at 2 am. Combine that with the fact juveniles do not have judgement maturity and it creates an environment that increases the possibility of injury, property damage, or even worse - an overboard. So yes, they do need to keep a curfew. Not because they are saying parents can't control their kids, but because they need to protect themselves from liability.

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Sounds to me like most of you guys do not like kids to begin with and just think of them as a nuisance, so as a solution, don't go on Royal Caribbean ships that cater to FAMILIES.

 

That's equally ridiculous as the people who want the kids in bed by 10. I disagree, Royal Caribbean caters to everyone, not JUST families. While we tend to cruise when there are less kids, there are still some and we have had no problems. Even on Allure which by your logic should be families only. Just give me my solarium, Quest with no kids and my second seating in the MDR and we can all get along. BTW, in the dictionary the word EXCLUSIVELY does not come in front of CATERS

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I am probably going to get the "worst mother of the year award for this" but here goes.

 

My DH and I stay up late when on vacation, but DH is a early to bed guy at home. Our 3 kids however are night owls and will stay up as late as allowed, even at home. On school nights they are in bed by 8PM but on weekends and on vacation we don't enforce this. On our last cruise (kids are 7, 4 and 4 by the way) they were allowed to stay in the kids camp as long as they wanted. On our last night we went to get them at 10 PM but they begged to stay later, we went back at 11 but still they wanted to stay. Finally at midnight, yes midnight for my 4 year olds also, we MADE them leave. We then went and got pizza then to the cabin for the night. Now I know they were with us, but what happens when they get older, say 16 or 17? My idea is midnight is late enough without being with your parent's. Will they HATE being seen with us, probably, but that will be our rules. It's not that I don't trust my kids, but I also don't trust other people and kids of all ages and even some adults are just way to trusting of others. What really scares me is it doesn't have to be late at night for people to do awful things to our kids, it can happen in the middle of the day and in your own community, not just on vacation.

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You 2 need to look at the bigger picture. Yes, the parents absolutely are responsible. I agree with that. However, at 2 am, the cruise ship is in the middle of the ocean. For liability purposes, they need to set a curfew. Nothing good happens at 2 am. Combine that with the fact juveniles do not have judgement maturity and it creates an environment that increases the possibility of injury, property damage, or even worse - an overboard. So yes, they do need to keep a curfew. Not because they are saying parents can't control their kids, but because they need to protect themselves from liability.

Again by that logic, there should be a curfew for everyone, especially people drinking. Maybe all the bars should close at 11? or 10? Wouldn't it be a liablity if some drunk fell overboard after RCI sold them the booze?

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Again by that logic, there should be a curfew for everyone, especially people drinking. Maybe all the bars should close at 11? or 10? Wouldn't it be a liablity if some drunk fell overboard after RCI sold them the booze?

 

Perhaps, but when the cruise line gets sued, in which venue is the Southern District of Florida, Miami, the proponderance of the evidence is based on what is considered status quo, or common law. Juveniles are commonly recognized as having curfews while adults are not. U.S. law recognizes 18 as adulthood and the age in which mature decisions can be made. For the adults, an adequate security force will be expected to maintain status quo. So again, curfews for juveniles help protect the cruise line.

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Personally, I don't think there should be ANY curfew for anyone.

Hey, let's just do away with All the rules and let everyone do whatever they want, whenever they want. I think that such behavior is called "anarchy" and it usually isn't pretty. At some point certain standards of behavior have to be established and allowing teens to wander the ship at all hours is almost guaranteed to lead to mischief if not something more serious. At that point someone will go after the cruiseline for not establishing standards of behavior and claim that the absence of a reasonable curfew (and is 1 a.m. really so unreasonable, when most all non-adult related activities have ceased onboard the ship?) led to an unfortunate but foreseeable result. The fact that some parents have abdicated their responsibilities doesn't mean that the cruiseline has to turn a blind eye to situations that are fraught with peril. They have a responsibility to provide ALL of their guests with a safe and peaceful environment. In order to meet that responsibility a reasonable curfew time is both desirable and necessary.

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Perhaps, but when the cruise line gets sued, in which venue is the Southern District of Florida, Miami, the proponderance of the evidence is based on what is considered status quo, or common law. Juveniles are commonly recognized as having curfews while adults are not. U.S. law recognizes 18 as adulthood and the age in which mature decisions can be made. For the adults, an adequate security force will be expected to maintain status quo. So again, curfews for juveniles help protect the cruise line.

Maybe so but i still think they shouldn't exist.

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I am probably going to get the "worst mother of the year award for this" but here goes.

 

If nothing has happened that caused your family to be asked to leave ship, you don't get my vote. ;) Just a question from an empty nester though, Can I assume the 4-7 year olds have to be checked out from the kids club? At some age, like 14+ Can they leave and go back to their room unescorted?

 

I use to belong to a campground. The only curfew was for public areas. Kids under 18 were not allowed in the playground, parking lots, or pools after 12, but they could go to a friends camp and back. It worked out well.

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You 2 need to look at the bigger picture. Yes, the parents absolutely are responsible. I agree with that. However, at 2 am, the cruise ship is in the middle of the ocean. For liability purposes, they need to set a curfew. Nothing good happens at 2 am. Combine that with the fact juveniles do not have judgement maturity and it creates an environment that increases the possibility of injury, property damage, or even worse - an overboard. So yes, they do need to keep a curfew. Not because they are saying parents can't control their kids, but because they need to protect themselves from liability.

 

"For liabilty purposes, they need to set a curfew."

 

First, there is a difference between "need" and "good business practice." Second, even the best "good business practice" or "need" is going to prevent a lawsuit from being filed ... I can claim in a lawsuit that CC is a ham sandwich, and even though we all know it's ridiculous won't prevent some ambulance chaser from going to Federal Court in Miami (where RCL is based) to attempt to prove otherwise.

 

Michael

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As others have said, I think that the adults who have been drinking and partying all day long pose a greater threat than us "kids". I agree with whoever it was that said the bars should all close at a certain hour. The kids aren't drinking anyway (I don't, at least), so what harm are we doing you by being up that late?

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As others have said, I think that the adults who have been drinking and partying all day long pose a greater threat than us "kids". I agree with whoever it was that said the bars should all close at a certain hour. The kids aren't drinking anyway (I don't, at least), so what harm are we doing you by being up that late?

 

I'm with you on this one, Will ... my wife and I have found the drunks more of an issue on a cruise than any of the kid we've come across.

 

Michael

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As others have said, I think that the adults who have been drinking and partying all day long pose a greater threat than us "kids". I agree with whoever it was that said the bars should all close at a certain hour. The kids aren't drinking anyway (I don't, at least), so what harm are we doing you by being up that late?

 

 

The few ruin it for all. If all of the kids on a ship were well behaved and got in no trouble then there would be no curfew. Generally rules stem from a need for them which means that enough incidents have occurred that necessitated the curfew. It is not those sitting at Sorrentos eating or sitting in a common area chatting with other teens that are a problem. Those that run the halls banging on doors, playing on stairs or in the elevators, or those just generally out to do things they shouldn't have made this curfew a necessity.

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Hmm. I wonder why this was changed. Are there really parents out there demanding that their children be allowed to be out on the ship until 2am?

 

And yeah - kids in Quest would likely put a big damper on Quest for me. I would hope the cruise director would do more than just make jokes about it, and actually ask that kids leave.

 

I'm all about kids on the ship, but some things are just not necessary.

 

 

Thats the thing...RCI doesnt have the guts to stand up to people like that who break the rules or push the limits. They are afraid they may hurt their feelings. Its just like wearing shorts in the MDR...they wont chase anyone out for it. GROW A SET RCI, dont say suggested...say NO SHORTS ALLOWED IN MDR, NO KIDS UNDER 18 IN QUEST, NO BABIES IN THE POOL THAT WEAR DIAPERS.... etc Set the laws and enforce them.

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Again by that logic, there should be a curfew for everyone, especially people drinking. Maybe all the bars should close at 11? or 10? Wouldn't it be a liablity if some drunk fell overboard after RCI sold them the booze?

Yes it probably would be which is why there are guidelines and prohibitions against overserving passengers, the same kind of prohibitions that exist on land. Closing the bars earlier than is now the case won't prevent anyone, hellbent on getting plastered, from doing so, but limiting the amount of liquor and the conditions under which they can be served is aimed at preventing the kind of tragic consequences you describe. Perhaps a course in elementary logic would help you discern the differences.

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