Costa Concordia SINKING

[Red Mini Stapler]

Gotcha. I misunderstood when you said losing cell phone service. We avoid using ship towers too, $2.49/min is kind of rich for my blood.:)

 

those are the times when you talk really really fast and hang up.

 

"hihowareyoudoing?we'redoingalrightinfactweareinitalyrightnowandwewillbebackinbarcelonatomorrowigottagobye!"

 

*click*

[boogs]

She's not laying directly on her side though due to a rock, so would that not be more 70 degrees or less? I wouldn't say 45 degrees but maybe 60?:p

 

This photo from CruiseCritic's home page makes it look very close to 90 degrees.

 

http://c3270052.r52.cf0.rackcdn.com/concordia-qna-wednesday-home.jpg

 

It could be the angle from where the photographer was standing, but that stairway is almost straight down.

[judybee]

Does anyone know when Schettino became the captain of the Concordia? I have searched everywhere but can only find that he became a Costa captain in 2006; it does not say which ships he captained. I ask this because I sailed on the Concordia on a similar route in 2007 and I was wondering if he was my captain. :eek:

[Quasar1011]

Wouldn't that essentially be the same thing as air traffic control?

 

It would involve more than air traffic control. ATC monitors the planes- not specifically what is in the plane, such as the food or cargo. The airlines have their own operations centers for that.

 

The FAA wants to ditch the use of transponders in aircraft, and upgrade to a GPS system. I hope there is some sort of backup to GPS...

[4cruisecampers]

I keep wondering after all the questions that have come from this terrible incident if any crew below decks reported water filling the lower decks?

Did the water come right after impact?

How many are on the bridge at any given time?

I just can’t stop wondering why it took so long for the emergency process to start?

I keep searching for a time frame of what happened and I can only find pieces.

Does any know of an accurate time frame?

Prayers to all the families.

[HelloHelloHola]

Yes, makes total sense. In other words what I am physically seein via the web cam in the dark IS an optical illusion and not a 180 degree angle.

 

Thank you:)

 

EDITED: OOPS!!!!! I mean 90 degree not 180 degree:( I am bad at math, sorry. Was thinking 1/2 was 180...duh..

 

Joanie

 

I was thinking, what happened now, it is upside down? But it is no time for a joke. Glad you figure it out on your own.

[Davyjonesrugrat]

Wouldn't that essentially be the same thing as air traffic control?

In basic terms yes and no (get out clause) But the company that owned the vessel would be the only one able to get full information, AIS only provides basic informtion, A air traffic controller can order a plane to change course, height or anything else however ships cannot be order like this as navigational matters remain sole control of the Master/Captain.

 

Information from AIS is normally:

 

Name of ship

MMSI of ship

Last port of call

Next port of call

position, course and speed

Type of vessel

Cargo (If applicable)

 

There are other options that could be sent but need to be programmed in to allow it to be received by the recieve aerial site.

 

I would suggest you look at one of the AIS Sites (Shipais.com) for example and after going to a specific area select a ship and see what information you can get (With Shipais it allows a picture to show you the ship)

 

It is very complex and shows how technology is moving nowadays.

 

rgds:)

[MartinsCruise]

Wouldn't that essentially be the same thing as air traffic control?

 

Sound like it to me! Not a bad thing. I'm a pilot and use the ATC system frequently for routing, weather and traffic avoidance. Flight following is the one of our best resources. (if it's available). I definitely don't think big brother is watching, just keeping two of us from trying to occupy the same piece of sky at the same time.

 

Doug

[Canadian Karebear]

This photo from CruiseCritic's home page makes it look very close to 90 degrees.

 

http://c3270052.r52.cf0.rackcdn.com/concordia-qna-wednesday-home.jpg

 

It could be the angle from where the photographer was standing, but that stairway is almost straight down.

 

Probably the angle, doesn't look right 90 degrees to me.

[shipfriend_max]

I think on Sunday (according to news) there will be find a solution how they will go on with the Concordia...

But according to the news it will be at least possible to salvage the ship - the possibility that it might think is forgotten, I think...

I also wathched the weather forecast for Giglio (also up to 2 weeks) - there is no storm expected...

[gentlemancruiser]

Does anyone know when Schettino became the captain of the Concordia? I have searched everywhere but can only find that he became a Costa captain in 2006; it does not say which ships he captained. I ask this because I sailed on the Concordia on a similar route in 2007 and I was wondering if he was my captain. :eek:

 

Somebody said he just tripped fell into the job.

[judybee]

Somebody said he just tripped fell into the job.

 

LOL.....great response! :D

[HelloHelloHola]

Originally Posted by Feelin' Nauti'

The cruise liner captain claimed he was unable to lead the evacuation because he slipped and tripped into a lifeboat while helping passengers leave the stricken vessel.

 

This is worst than my dog ate my homework.

[lisiamc]

"Vada a bordo, cazzo!" I believe is the phrase; according to Reuters, roughly translated it means "Go on board damn it."

 

"Damn it" is quite a tactful translation of cazzo. It's a much... earthier expression in Italian! :p

[Red Mini Stapler]

"Damn it" is quite a tactful translation of cazzo. It's a much... earthier expression in Italian! :p

 

i google translated it, and i believe it's much more "strong" word than 'damn it'

[umieesa]

I don't know how it is in Italy, but I'm just wondering now that the Captain is out on house arrest what will it be like for him? Will people be throwing things at his house, trying to kill him, etc.?! lol Is it like how child molesters/murderers here in North America have to be confined to their own cell for fear of being killed by inmates?

 

Maybe Gio or globetrotter can give some insight...what is the sentiment in Italy right now towards this guy? Especially since he's made an a$$ and coward of himself all over TV with that incriminating conversation.

[umieesa]

"Damn it" is quite a tactful translation of cazzo. It's a much... earthier expression in Italian! :p

 

LOL...just googled it. Ya...nothing close to damn it! :o

[hulamoon]

I will buy a T shirt, mug or whatever, possibly redesigned, for a worthy cause. I am touched by this incident. Is there an organization set up already or would CC be interested in this? For victims families, sea education, ocean environmental clean ups, ethics education anything where the money really goes to the cause. I am pretty sure I would wear it on board, but not on formal night. Maybe even the phrase could become a basis for on board clubs dedicated to sea causes, we all care about accidents and want our hobby to have meaning.

 

So many days have passed and I still feel angst for those sitting peaceably at their muster stations that drowned. Or that is my fear of what happened.

 

It is thrilling that many people stepped up to the plate to save so many lives. Thank you.. for showing the best of human values...Mahalo nui loa.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/18/costa-concordia-hero-villain-italy?intcmp=239

[hulamoon]

LOL...just googled it. Ya...nothing close to damn it! :o

 

Not close at all! But sometimes swear words are appropiate to the situation. I would wear the Tshirt for a good cause. (Or a better designed one.)

[glrounds]

It wouldn't be 'all semantics' if the holding company was called Worldwide Cruises or Cruise Conglomerate, anything that doesn't have the word Carnival in it. People are ONLY making the connection, and an incorrect connection at that, because the word CARNIVAL is in the parent company's name.

 

A typical mistake especially for non-cruisers, dmwnc. I wouldn't be so harsh on them. The initial reporting of this incident did cause the stock of CCL&plc (Carnival Corp.)to drop nearly 20%. Shrewd investors call this A BUYING OPPORTUNITY because they can quickly learn that the Costa Concordia only contributes around 1.5% of CCL&plc's revenues. They love it when the general public panics and sells off their holdings in CCL&plc because they know it will recover most of this "panic" selling in a short time (down only 12.66% at this writing) and most likely all of it over the long term depending on whether the Concordia is salvageable and their isn't significant environmental damage.

 

I didn't say the effect would be lost-lasting, I said that the stock markets were connecting Carnival to Costa, which some are unwilling to acknowledge.

 

I'm sure Carnival WILL recover, but the damage to Costa could be more severe and that, ultimately, affects its parent company as well.

 

Whether the cruise industry in general suffers remains to be seen. It won't put off most regular cruisers, but first-time cruisers might hesitate, hence why the company has been quick to distance itself from the guilty party, the captain.

 

I would think any corporation would quickly distance themselves from anyone that may have committed a criminal act while in their employee. And it appears like the Captain is facing multiple charges of criminality.:(

 

I quite agree, nelly. Short term this is going to be tough to hold on, but long term it represents only a bump in the road. The cruise industry in general will take a minor hit (the same day CCL&plc's stock dropped 20%, RCCL's stock took a nearly 6% hit). This could scare away some new cruisers, much like an airplane crash (one of the safest means of conveyance) always makes some swear to never fly again.:rolleyes: But rational minds think differently. To us "regular cruisers" this shortage of future passengers only means BETTER CABIN PRICING.:D

 

Its just a shame it has to come on the back of such a terrible tragedy.:(

 

[nellydean]

Costa Concordia: Captain Francesco Schettino's home town comes out to support him

Inhabitants of Costa Concordia captain Francesco Schettino's picturesque home town became his most vociferous supporters on Wednesday as he returned to their midst under house arrest.

 

 

By Victoria Ward, Meta di Sorrento4:55PM GMT 18 Jan 2012 9 Comments

 

With the embattled Costa Concordia captain ensconced in his third floor apartment, local residents of Meta di Sorrento took it upon themselves to mount a staunch defence of their friend and neighbour.

Members of the tight knit community refused to accept that he was responsible for the tragedy that has claimed at least 11 lives, insisting that he had been unfairly vilified.

As the search operation for the 24 passengers and crew still missing was suspended, local politicians, old family friends and the local vicar rallied round to describe Mr Schettino as a "great man and a great sailor" who had done no wrong.

Giuseppe Tito, a politician from the local Mayor's office, said he had done his duty in helping others. "The captain is a hero," he said. "The media have got it all wrong. He saved 4,000 lives."

Don Gennaro Starita, a pastor who has been based in the town on the sun-drenched Amalfi Coast for 25 years, told parishioners that he was "really angry" about the way Schettino had been portrayed.

 

"He has been pilloried by the media," he said. "Humanly speaking, they have killed him. It's a shame. There are so many dead already, why do we want another?"

Mr Schettino was released from custody on Tuesday night and placed under house arrest. He was driven 450 miles from Grosseto jail to Meta with a police escort and bundled into the £175,000 home he shares with his wife, Fabiola and 15-year-old daughter Rossella, in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

The steep, winding cobbled streets have since become crowded with police officers and camera crews jostling for a glimpse of the man dubbed "Captain Coward" by furious Italians.

The family is well-known and equally well respected in Meta, where Schettino's father Luigi moved at an early age.

The captain and his brother, Salvatore, grew up looking out to sea and both chose to follow careers as seafarers.

Many local residents acknowledged that Schettino, 52, may have made a mistake in sailing too close to the shore but claimed that he alone could not be held responsible for the disaster and that he had been made a scapegoat.

One, who did not wish to be identified, said: "Anyone who knows Franco knows that he is a great, great sailor, a great commander and a loyal employee. He is a professional man and would never knowingly have put the lives of his passengers in danger."

Another said: "He is a very good person, I have known him and his family for generations and they are highly respected mariners. It is easy to condemn him amid this wave of emotion but he is a person whom we all respect. It is a difficult time for the whole community."

Franco Amato, a captain who worked with Schettino at ferry company Tirrenia, said: "We grew up together and everyone in the village realised how good he was. He was the best among all of us and has had a wonderful career. He has been shaken by this tragedy."

Clara di Falco, a retired teacher and close friend of the family, said: "I feel for him but there are many victims of this tragedy and I am sure their families believe he should be in jail rather than enjoying the comforts of home."

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9023199/Costa-Concordia-Captain-Francesco-Schettinos-home-town-comes-out-to-support-him.html

[grneyedmustang]

Well maybe this person read in another thread where someone posted the Concordia is coming back as the Carnival Flipper. I know, I know, it's not funny, but I did laugh for just a moment. I couldn't believe someone posted that.

 

Ok, I can't lie, I laughed. :D Probably inappropriate.

 

/backtoourregularlyscheduledprogramming

[DinghyRacer]

...Perhaps all bridge personal need to speak and be fluent in the same language if that isn't a current requirement ??

...

 

What makes you think they didn't? It was an italian-flagged vessel, all the names of officers that have come out so far have been italian.

[BalconyBumz]

Ok, I can't lie, I laughed. :D Probably inappropriate.

 

/backtoourregularlyscheduledprogramming

 

I know I know! I couldn't help it either. I laughed while shaking my head. It's like covering your eyes partially when you see something you don't want to see that's bad.

[umieesa]

Costa Concordia: Captain Francesco Schettino's home town comes out to support him

Inhabitants of Costa Concordia captain Francesco Schettino's picturesque home town became his most vociferous supporters on Wednesday as he returned to their midst under house arrest.

 

I guess that answered my question! :mad:

 

I'm hoping that is not the sentiment of the majority.:confused:

 

The guardian seems a little too harsh in its translation ""Vada a bordo, cazzo!", or "Get on board, for f$$$s sake!"...It's more along the lines of..."Get on board, d!ck/d!ckhead!" Pardon my French :o