A second man overboard. What's going on?

[CruisingMouse]

Sadly the man on Allure did in fact intentionally jump to his death. It was a suicide as messages were left for his family.

 

 

I haven't seen this part reported, where was it said that he left messages for his family??

[fdthird]

From what I understand, the security video showed the gentleman on the Allure take pills, take a drink, then take more pills, drink some more and then climb up on a table and go over the rail. The poor person for whatever reason decided that life was more than he could take, and between the pills and the fall from Deck 11 was probably beyond saving.

[CruisingMouse]

From what I understand, the security video showed the gentleman on the Allure take pills, take a drink, then take more pills, drink some more and then climb up on a table and go over the rail. The poor person for whatever reason decided that life was more than he could take, and between the pills and the fall from Deck 11 was probably beyond saving.

 

 

Do they have cameras on all the balconies on the Allure? Have they located him or body?

[fdthird]

I understand that he did this on a public balcony at the back of the ship (one of those nice balconies that overlook the Aqua Theater) so they do have security cameras in probably all public areas of the ship.

[linedancer]

It is almost impossible to just fall. You either are climbing on the rails, horsing around and drunk, or really want to die.

 

We just got off Liberty of the Seas on Saturday. Our friend had to call sercurity. He was on his balcony and heard yelling. A woman was on a deck chair and wanted to jump, and a man was holding her back screaming at here to get down. Our friend doesn't realize he just saved a life. I am glad he saw it happening and was able to stop it. Sercurity came. They kept her locked up and under supervision until we got into port. The police were called and they escorted her off.

 

I pray she will get the help she needs.

[CruisingMouse]

I understand that he did this on a public balcony at the back of the ship (one of those nice balconies that overlook the Aqua Theater) so they do have security cameras in probably all public areas of the ship.

 

 

Ok that makes more sense, I thought he was on a cabin balcony and that would be a little unsettling to think they had cameras on every balcony.

[Big_G]

Typically, the cruise ship will not make any effort to look for said jumper. The passengers have prebooked excursions and they are on a tight schedule so having a search and rescue effort like that would not be possible. I know in all cases they will notify the local authorities (in this case the Mexican Coast guard)who will begin the process of search and rescue. In today's modern GPS world coordinates can be given to the Coast Guard and they in turn can pin point where to begin looking. It is so sad when passengers with mental health issues feel so desperate they make decisions like this. As mentioned, "falling off a cruise ship" is such a misrepresentation of what actually happens it becomes dishonest to report it in that way. Of course they look for the passenger!

 

The ships do look for someone overboard, especially since they had an eyewitness and video evidence of the man going overboard. Allure and Navigator both launched their rescue boats and started searching. Allure did arrive in port late. No idea where you are getting your information.

 

reallyitsmema,

Read the last sentence. I think you missed the sarcasm.;)

[negc]

Typically, the cruise ship will not make any effort to look for said jumper. The passengers have prebooked excursions and they are on a tight schedule so having a search and rescue effort like that would not be possible. I know in all cases they will notify the local authorities (in this case the Mexican Coast guard)who will begin the process of search and rescue. In today's modern GPS world coordinates can be given to the Coast Guard and they in turn can pin point where to begin looking. It is so sad when passengers with mental health issues feel so desperate they make decisions like this. As mentioned, "falling off a cruise ship" is such a misrepresentation of what actually happens it becomes dishonest to report it in that way. Of course they look for the passenger!

Not sure where you got this bit of "information" but we have read many reports from passengers who were onboard a cruise ship when someone "fell" overboard and they all report the efforts made by the ship and other ships in the vicinity to locate the individual. On our very first cruise we had a "man overboard" as we were sailing out of Caracas and our ship lowered lifeboats and searched for the Venezuelan Coast Guard. To claim that a tight schedule or preplanned guest excursions would be used to justify failing to stop and search for a missing guest is either very cynical or very ill-informed.

[MikeySm]

Its all in the water...

[mjldvlks]

Ok that makes more sense, I thought he was on a cabin balcony and that would be a little unsettling to think they had cameras on every balcony.

I am not sure where this fellow went over, but I am pretty sure they have cameras scanning the sides of the ship, not to look into windows or individual balconies, but so they would see someone going over from a stateroom balcony [and probably get a good idea of how the person went over, i.e. jumped/pushed/dangerous activity, etc.].

 

What I don't understand is, after another passenger reported seeing him go over, why they delayed reporting to the authorities and initiating a search in the water until they had paged the individual and confirmed he did not answer. Of course I only know what I read and maybe I am missing something.

[leerobbs]

Not sure where you got this bit of "information" but we have read many reports from passengers who were onboard a cruise ship when someone "fell" overboard and they all report the efforts made by the ship and other ships in the vicinity to locate the individual. On our very first cruise we had a "man overboard" as we were sailing out of Caracas and our ship lowered lifeboats and searched for the Venezuelan Coast Guard. To claim that a tight schedule or preplanned guest excursions would be used to justify failing to stop and search for a missing guest is either very cynical or very ill-informed.

 

Actually, I was attempting to be sarcastic. The last line in my post should clear up what I actually either think/know the cruise does when a passenger goes overboard. Cynical (no) ill-informed ( I don't think so). Sorry for my poor attempt at sarcasm, I humbly ask for your forgiveness.

[RazorbackIslandGirl]

It is terrible!!! But I hate the way the media reports it as "falling off the ship"!! I've been on 12 cruises & have never been in a position to "fall" off. Although tragic, unless you're thrown overboard, it is self inflicted. They report it if some kind of negligence has taken place. My heart goes out to the families left behind to make sense of such a horrific situation!

[johneeo]

You mean the O.P.?

 

:D:eek::D

[Buffettphan1]

Based on the numbers of passengers on some of these bigger ships, its hard not to think that more incidents do not happen.

I dont buy into "The overserved thing" people need to be responsible for themselves.

Some people just cannot behaive and bad things happen.

 

If we are going to be so protected from our selves we better stay home.

[SherriZ366]

Yes, from Deck 11 :( . Another passenger saw him jump and reported it immediately.

That's what I thought had happened.

[longwood]

I am not sure where this fellow went over, but I am pretty sure they have cameras scanning the sides of the ship, not to look into windows or individual balconies, but so they would see someone going over from a stateroom balcony [and probably get a good idea of how the person went over, i.e. jumped/pushed/dangerous activity, etc.].

 

What I don't understand is, after another passenger reported seeing him go over, why they delayed reporting to the authorities and initiating a search in the water until they had paged the individual and confirmed he did not answer. Of course I only know what I read and maybe I am missing something.

 

 

Maybe those things were happening in parallel. It takes some time and distance to stop a ship moving at 17-23 knots. I suspect that they also turned around and went back to the last known location. During this time they could be validating that there was definitely someone who jumped.

[Darkwolfe]

I was on Mariner when the guy "left Allure early". Watched as Mariner's rescue boat was deployed to go help search. There were a number of rumors curculating but the true tale did finally emerge and has already been covered in this thread. The follow up has it that the Mexican CG did finally find his remains later in the day.

 

What I haven't figured out is if the following rumor about the guy's boyfriend (Allure had an Atlantis charter) suiciding in guilt later on is true or not.

 

All of the ships have cameras that look down the sides od the ships. They do not look directly into any balconies, but can tell if something (or someone) comes out of a specific balcony.

[fdthird]

Since it was a public area the camera capturing the action was very understandable.