isujim Posted March 6, 2012 #26 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Just a post of THANKS. This was very informative. We are taking our second HAL cruise this fall, the exact same itinerary. Really provided some great insight. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrzebird Posted March 6, 2012 #27 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Thank you so much for a fantastic review. I'm sailing on this cruise on 4/9 and your narrative was exactly what I needed! Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Alphen Posted March 6, 2012 #28 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Many thanks for the great feature on your Zuiderdam cruise, nice warm-up for our full transit, coming up in a couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justpack Posted March 6, 2012 #29 Share Posted March 6, 2012 thanks unfdoug for the great daily report. Can you please advise those of us sailing on her in a month or so about the condition of this ship, the food and the service. The latest reviews on cruise critic member reviews has this ship listed as tired and worn out. Your comments would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare erewhon Posted March 7, 2012 #30 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Thank you for the reports of your cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O2B@C Posted March 7, 2012 #31 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Many thanks for the great feature on your Zuiderdam cruise, nice warm-up for our full transit, coming up in a couple of weeks. I join in Alphen's, and everyone else's, thanks for this informative narrative. And Alphen: Would you consider "paying it forward" by posting about your upcoming full transit? I'm doing that in October, and would love to hear about your experiences. Thanks! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggy500 Posted April 2, 2012 #32 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Also took this cruise. (P.S. Loved It!!!) Here are my notes: Holland America Zuiderdam Ft. Lauderdale to Ft. Lauderdale Panama Canal Cruise 3/19/2012-3/30/2012 The Ship -------- The Zuiderdam is a larger Holland America ship. We had previously been on the Ryndam, which was smaller and far more elegant; but this ship was very nice. We had an inside cabin. It was one of the largest cabins I have ever had on a cruise ship. Apparently all the inside cabins on the main deck (Deck 1) are very large; larger than the outside cabins. The inside cabins on the other decks are much smaller. The ship has a main pool area which can be enclosed due to weather considerations. There is also a sizable aft pool. Both of these are on deck 9. Deck 9 also contains a magnificent indoor "spa" pool, but you have to pay to use this one and the cost was something like $175 per person for the cruise. There are a number of eateries on the ship: Vista Dining Room - The main dining room is a 2 story affair and is fairly large. Most seating is typical ship with other guests. Food here was somewhat spotty - mostly it was Very Very Very good, but there were some nights when it was a real clunker. Filet (filet mignon?) was offered several times on the cruise, as well as prime rib. There was a lobster night (yumm), which is something alot of cruise lines are stopping. But there were three nights (out of 11) when I couldn't find a viable dish. Our tablemates were Indian, and there was a very limited vegetarian selection offered. They were very unhappy and ended up eating dinner in the Lido. Be aware that on an 11 night cruise there were 3 formal nights. In general, desserts on the ship were mediocre, soups were nothing special. Most of the times the mains and appetizers were delicious. Be aware that you need to ask for American cocktail sauce if you want it on your shrimp - many of the guests were not American. Also, they had a tendancy to drench their salads with dressing, so I started asking for it on the side. That solved the problem. Timing on this ship is an issue. Apparently the food department doesn't communicate very well with the entertainment staff. There were two shows (the first and last days of the cruise) for which there was only one seating at 9:30PM. We had late seating in the Vista Dining Room (7:45PM). Since there was only one show those 2 nights, the Vista Lounge filled up very early. To get a seat you really needed to be there at 8:30PM; 9:00PM at the latest. If you go to the late seating in the Vista Dining Room you will miss the show. This is also true of the special shows in the Queens Lounge - the newlywed game and the talent show. If you want to see these shows either schedule dinner earlier, go to open seating in the Vista Dining Room (see the manager), or eat those nights at the Lido Restaurant. Lido Restaurant - This is the ship's "buffet". However, food was served more cafeteria style than buffet. You stood on line, told a server what you wanted, and they prepared the food for you. Breakfast was WONDERFUL. Make sure you stop at the eggs benedict station (they offer about 6 or 7 variants), and at the waffle station (OMG!!!!). If you can eat after breakfast (and there were days I couldn't), lunch is served from about 11:30AM to 2PM only. After that is afternoon "snack". My wife was upset because we were always missing lunch. I, on the other hand, was very happy with "snack". Snack consisted of - a full pasta bar (you order and they make it), a pizza station, a full salad bar, a sandwich bar where they made custom-order paninis (grilled) and wraps, and a dessert and ice cream station, Make sure you try the waffle cones. Just outside of the Lido was my favorite snack station, which they call the Pinnacle Grill. There is a full hamburger and hotdog venue, which also offers a sausage du jour. There is also a full mexican bar (make your own) with tacos, chips, fajita wraps, beef, chicken, chille, melted cheese, frijoles, spanish rice, and all the trimmings - jalopenos, lettuce, sour cream, tomatoes, etc., etc. I didn't see anybody starve. The dinner menu in the Lido is very similar to the dinner menu in the Vista. It was just served cafeteria style and more casual. Note that eating dinner at the Lido lets you mix and match - you can have multiple mains (or anything else), with sauces and the like which you didn't know were available at the Vista Restaurant. Canaletto - In the evening they take a corner of the Lido and turn it into an Italian venue. There is no charge for this, but you have to book early as it books out. The food is good Italian fare, but nothing outstanding. However, the lasagna is excellent. Make sure you try the Limoncello Creme for dessert - it is to die for. Terrace Grill - There is a $25 upcharge for the grill. We did not use it as there was plenty of good food elsewhere. Bar-b-que - In case you get hungry there is a bar-b-que offered a couple of times on the cruise. Make sure you try the salmon - it is out of this world. Late night - There are also other assorted eat things, including a high tea (too sweet for my tastes) and late night snacks. I don't know how people do this. Entertainment - the entertainment on cruise ships is getting less and less. The main room (Vista lounge) had three nights of the revues, where a ships troupe dances and sings to canned music. Not my speed. There were four entertainer nights - a steel drum band (repeated twice - we were in the Caribbean), a juggler, a magician, and an impersonator/singer. These were all pretty good. There was one intro night and one farewell night. Both of these only had one showing and they got packed. There was also a night where the dining room staff put on a very late night show. Other than that, shipboard entertainment was fairly scarce. There was a 3-piece jazz group, a string quartet, a guitarist, and a pianist. That was it. The boat went to sleep pretty early. During the at-seas days, HAL offered their standard fare - free computer lectures sponsored by Microsoft, culinary exhibitions, and assorted other stuff. This was very good. Ports ----- Other people have posted more detailed info on ports of call. Here is my synopsis: Half Moon Cay - This is HAL's private caribbean island (in the Bahamas). Most of the ones I've been too have been pretty cheesy, but this one was actually quite nice. I didn't do any of the activities out of here (we live in Florida), but it was an enjoyable place nonetheless. There is a full bar-b-que on the island. Aruba - This is more or less a typical Caribbean port. You've seen one you 've seen them all. Bonaire - I didn't expect much here as this island is known for it's diving and not much else, but was quite pleasantly surprised. The island reminded me of a lower-key Key West - lots of little crafty shops run by real locals; not too touristy. There were quite a few imports from Holland here (this is part of the Dutch Antilles.) This was one of the best places to pick up souvenirs. Curacao - I'm in love. I am Jewish and we pulled into port on a Shabbat. Curacao boasts the oldest operating synagogue in the New World. Founded in the 1600's, the "new" building was built in the early 1700's. We went to services there. They were fairly strange - a polyglot of American reform with Sephardic and island traditions built in. Afterwards we wandered about the downtown area. This has a much more European feel to it, It was quite nice. For those with a tendancy to get lost - it's about a 20 minute walk from the ship to the synagogue. (Most of the shops are near the synagogue also - in the Punda district.) When you get off the ship, bear right and walk along the waterfront. You will get to a structure labelled "Rif Fort". Enter it (it's a little shopping plaza with restaurants) and exit it on the other side. You should still be along the water, with a bridge about a block in front of you. This is the pontoon bridge. Cross over it and walk straight onto the main street. Most of the side-streets are pedestrian only, and nothing is labelled. You want to walk to Columbusstraat (not labelled), which is the third main walkway and hang a left. The synagogue is on the corner in a large yellow building about 1 block down. Panama Canal - My wife had this on her bucket list, so we had to go. It was interesting, but not that interesting. We didn't take an excursion from here because I had never been here before and didn't know what to expect. The port excursion people did not give me a warm feeling either, because they said it was Panama - it is what it is. The air conditioning on the buses may or may not work; you could get stuck in traffic, this could happen; that could happen. We had mixed reviews from people who came off the excursions. Some people had very good experiences; others said it was a waste of money. The tours drop off at Gatlun lake and then pick up at Port Colon. You do not want to go outside the port area - this is not a good neighborhood. The port itself was sleasy enough for me. Costa Rica - This is one of the most beautiful countries I've ever seen. It is lush and tropical. We took a private tour up to the Veragua rain forest. The ride up was terrible. It took about 1 1/2 hours and the last third was over unpaved roads. However, once we got up there it was wonderful. There is about a 20 minute cable car ride down into the rain forest, about a 20 minute walk thru the rain forest, and then about a 20 minute cable car ride back up. We saw Tucans, monkeys, leaf-carrying ants, and all sorts of other stuff. We had a wonderful guide thru the rain forest. When we got back up they took us thru exhibits showing the native frogs, amphibians, snakes, butterflies, and insects. It was quite a wonderful experience and SHOULD NOT BE MISSED!!!!! For the more adventurous, there is zip-lining up there as well. Note that admission to the park is $40 per person for groups of 10 or more, and $55 per person for smaller groups. Admission was included in the price of the tour ($90 per person.) On the way back down, our tour guide stopped at some places and brought out various native herbs and plants for us to smell and look at. One of the more interesting things was a plant which looked something like an orange coconut. He opened it up and inside was a pod of very large seeds covered in an edible gook. They dry the gook off, roast the beans, and grind them. And that's how you make chocolate. Afterwards they took us for lunch to a restaurant in this really idyllic cove. You felt like you were in paradise. The food was local fare and very interesting. Back in the port there were vendors selling souvenirs. This was the best shopping of the entire trip. These were all local people selling local crafts at very reasonable prices. Pros and Cons ============= 1. The ship told everyone they had to attend the life boat drill right before the ship left Florida. If you did not attend they threatened to make you disembark - Yeah!!! 2. They were very careful about the Norwalk Virus. Staff pestered you about using hand sanitizer at various places. All food at the buffet was served for the first 2 days of the cruise - Yeah!!! 3. There are no unlimited beverage cards anymore. It used to be you could buy a soda card (for an exorbitant price) and you would have unlimited soda at certain venues on the ship. They still sell a soda card, but it is only good for a certain number of drinks. The same applies to coffee cards and the like. I never used these so I don't care. However, I brought soda onboard the ship with me when I came. 4. Internet access is either: 75 cents/minute, $55 for 100 minutes, or $100 for 250 minutes. There are bonus minutes given out if you sign up on the first day. Support for the internet is up on Deck 10 near the Crow's Nest. It is very spotty. There is a schedule posted with different times on different days, but it's fairly limited. We had the internet down a whole day on the cruise and were unable to get anybody to fix the problem. Apparently the front desk has no way to get in contact with the support person. Boo--- 5. Due to the unreliability of infrastructure in Panama, and this business of starting tours on the lake but then ending them at the Port, I would recommend that if you do take a tour in Panama, you only take it through the ship. On our cruise one of the tours was about an hour late and the ship waited for them. Any activity to be done at Half Moon Cay must also be scheduled through the ship. 6. Holland America takes good care of their guests. When coming back to the ship from the ports, there was usually someone there with a cold, wet, hand cloth and cold water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assateague Island Princes Posted April 2, 2012 #33 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Froggy - one slight correction - you've mixed up the Pinnacle Grill (which is the upsell restaurant) and the Terrace Grill (which is located by the pool with taco bar, burgers, etc.). Other than that - beautiful review, thanx so much for your time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYGresham Posted April 2, 2012 #34 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I join in Alphen's, and everyone else's, thanks for this informative narrative. And Alphen: Would you consider "paying it forward" by posting about your upcoming full transit? I'm doing that in October, and would love to hear about your experiences. Thanks! :D Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PathfinderEss Posted April 3, 2012 #35 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Thanks unfdoug for doing the review of your cruise. Your picture have been wonderful. Can't wait for the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted April 3, 2012 #36 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Thanks so much for your excellent reports. A lot of work, very interesting and well done:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzmered Posted April 3, 2012 #37 Share Posted April 3, 2012 excellant review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martezz Posted April 6, 2012 #38 Share Posted April 6, 2012 So enjoyed the travel logs....we will be going on an 18 day Panama trip on April 20...can hardly wit...especially looking forward to Costa Rica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himself Posted April 6, 2012 #39 Share Posted April 6, 2012 this was a fine review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarheelmjfan Posted April 17, 2012 #40 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Thanks for the excellent review. My DH & I have narrowed our choices to this cruise & the Princess Panama Canal cruise. It sounds like this cruise would be a great choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrzebird Posted April 23, 2012 #41 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Also took this cruise.(P.S. Loved It!!!) Here are my notes: Holland America Zuiderdam Ft. Lauderdale to Ft. Lauderdale Panama Canal Cruise 3/19/2012-3/30/2012 The Ship -------- The Zuiderdam is a larger Holland America ship. We had previously been on the Ryndam, which was smaller and far more elegant; but this ship was very nice. We had an inside cabin. It was one of the largest cabins I have ever had on a cruise ship. Apparently all the inside cabins on the main deck (Deck 1) are very large; larger than the outside cabins. The inside cabins on the other decks are much smaller. The ship has a main pool area which can be enclosed due to weather considerations. There is also a sizable aft pool. Both of these are on deck 9. Deck 9 also contains a magnificent indoor "spa" pool, but you have to pay to use this one and the cost was something like $175 per person for the cruise. There are a number of eateries on the ship: Vista Dining Room - The main dining room is a 2 story affair and is fairly large. Most seating is typical ship with other guests. Food here was somewhat spotty - mostly it was Very Very Very good, but there were some nights when it was a real clunker. Filet (filet mignon?) was offered several times on the cruise, as well as prime rib. There was a lobster night (yumm), which is something alot of cruise lines are stopping. But there were three nights (out of 11) when I couldn't find a viable dish. Our tablemates were Indian, and there was a very limited vegetarian selection offered. They were very unhappy and ended up eating dinner in the Lido. Be aware that on an 11 night cruise there were 3 formal nights. In general, desserts on the ship were mediocre, soups were nothing special. Most of the times the mains and appetizers were delicious. Be aware that you need to ask for American cocktail sauce if you want it on your shrimp - many of the guests were not American. Also, they had a tendancy to drench their salads with dressing, so I started asking for it on the side. That solved the problem. Timing on this ship is an issue. Apparently the food department doesn't communicate very well with the entertainment staff. There were two shows (the first and last days of the cruise) for which there was only one seating at 9:30PM. We had late seating in the Vista Dining Room (7:45PM). Since there was only one show those 2 nights, the Vista Lounge filled up very early. To get a seat you really needed to be there at 8:30PM; 9:00PM at the latest. If you go to the late seating in the Vista Dining Room you will miss the show. This is also true of the special shows in the Queens Lounge - the newlywed game and the talent show. If you want to see these shows either schedule dinner earlier, go to open seating in the Vista Dining Room (see the manager), or eat those nights at the Lido Restaurant. Lido Restaurant - This is the ship's "buffet". However, food was served more cafeteria style than buffet. You stood on line, told a server what you wanted, and they prepared the food for you. Breakfast was WONDERFUL. Make sure you stop at the eggs benedict station (they offer about 6 or 7 variants), and at the waffle station (OMG!!!!). If you can eat after breakfast (and there were days I couldn't), lunch is served from about 11:30AM to 2PM only. After that is afternoon "snack". My wife was upset because we were always missing lunch. I, on the other hand, was very happy with "snack". Snack consisted of - a full pasta bar (you order and they make it), a pizza station, a full salad bar, a sandwich bar where they made custom-order paninis (grilled) and wraps, and a dessert and ice cream station, Make sure you try the waffle cones. Just outside of the Lido was my favorite snack station, which they call the Pinnacle Grill. There is a full hamburger and hotdog venue, which also offers a sausage du jour. There is also a full mexican bar (make your own) with tacos, chips, fajita wraps, beef, chicken, chille, melted cheese, frijoles, spanish rice, and all the trimmings - jalopenos, lettuce, sour cream, tomatoes, etc., etc. I didn't see anybody starve. The dinner menu in the Lido is very similar to the dinner menu in the Vista. It was just served cafeteria style and more casual. Note that eating dinner at the Lido lets you mix and match - you can have multiple mains (or anything else), with sauces and the like which you didn't know were available at the Vista Restaurant. Canaletto - In the evening they take a corner of the Lido and turn it into an Italian venue. There is no charge for this, but you have to book early as it books out. The food is good Italian fare, but nothing outstanding. However, the lasagna is excellent. Make sure you try the Limoncello Creme for dessert - it is to die for. Terrace Grill - There is a $25 upcharge for the grill. We did not use it as there was plenty of good food elsewhere. Bar-b-que - In case you get hungry there is a bar-b-que offered a couple of times on the cruise. Make sure you try the salmon - it is out of this world. Late night - There are also other assorted eat things, including a high tea (too sweet for my tastes) and late night snacks. I don't know how people do this. Entertainment - the entertainment on cruise ships is getting less and less. The main room (Vista lounge) had three nights of the revues, where a ships troupe dances and sings to canned music. Not my speed. There were four entertainer nights - a steel drum band (repeated twice - we were in the Caribbean), a juggler, a magician, and an impersonator/singer. These were all pretty good. There was one intro night and one farewell night. Both of these only had one showing and they got packed. There was also a night where the dining room staff put on a very late night show. Other than that, shipboard entertainment was fairly scarce. There was a 3-piece jazz group, a string quartet, a guitarist, and a pianist. That was it. The boat went to sleep pretty early. During the at-seas days, HAL offered their standard fare - free computer lectures sponsored by Microsoft, culinary exhibitions, and assorted other stuff. This was very good. Ports ----- Other people have posted more detailed info on ports of call. Here is my synopsis: Half Moon Cay - This is HAL's private caribbean island (in the Bahamas). Most of the ones I've been too have been pretty cheesy, but this one was actually quite nice. I didn't do any of the activities out of here (we live in Florida), but it was an enjoyable place nonetheless. There is a full bar-b-que on the island. Aruba - This is more or less a typical Caribbean port. You've seen one you 've seen them all. Bonaire - I didn't expect much here as this island is known for it's diving and not much else, but was quite pleasantly surprised. The island reminded me of a lower-key Key West - lots of little crafty shops run by real locals; not too touristy. There were quite a few imports from Holland here (this is part of the Dutch Antilles.) This was one of the best places to pick up souvenirs. Curacao - I'm in love. I am Jewish and we pulled into port on a Shabbat. Curacao boasts the oldest operating synagogue in the New World. Founded in the 1600's, the "new" building was built in the early 1700's. We went to services there. They were fairly strange - a polyglot of American reform with Sephardic and island traditions built in. Afterwards we wandered about the downtown area. This has a much more European feel to it, It was quite nice. For those with a tendancy to get lost - it's about a 20 minute walk from the ship to the synagogue. (Most of the shops are near the synagogue also - in the Punda district.) When you get off the ship, bear right and walk along the waterfront. You will get to a structure labelled "Rif Fort". Enter it (it's a little shopping plaza with restaurants) and exit it on the other side. You should still be along the water, with a bridge about a block in front of you. This is the pontoon bridge. Cross over it and walk straight onto the main street. Most of the side-streets are pedestrian only, and nothing is labelled. You want to walk to Columbusstraat (not labelled), which is the third main walkway and hang a left. The synagogue is on the corner in a large yellow building about 1 block down. Panama Canal - My wife had this on her bucket list, so we had to go. It was interesting, but not that interesting. We didn't take an excursion from here because I had never been here before and didn't know what to expect. The port excursion people did not give me a warm feeling either, because they said it was Panama - it is what it is. The air conditioning on the buses may or may not work; you could get stuck in traffic, this could happen; that could happen. We had mixed reviews from people who came off the excursions. Some people had very good experiences; others said it was a waste of money. The tours drop off at Gatlun lake and then pick up at Port Colon. You do not want to go outside the port area - this is not a good neighborhood. The port itself was sleasy enough for me. Costa Rica - This is one of the most beautiful countries I've ever seen. It is lush and tropical. We took a private tour up to the Veragua rain forest. The ride up was terrible. It took about 1 1/2 hours and the last third was over unpaved roads. However, once we got up there it was wonderful. There is about a 20 minute cable car ride down into the rain forest, about a 20 minute walk thru the rain forest, and then about a 20 minute cable car ride back up. We saw Tucans, monkeys, leaf-carrying ants, and all sorts of other stuff. We had a wonderful guide thru the rain forest. When we got back up they took us thru exhibits showing the native frogs, amphibians, snakes, butterflies, and insects. It was quite a wonderful experience and SHOULD NOT BE MISSED!!!!! For the more adventurous, there is zip-lining up there as well. Note that admission to the park is $40 per person for groups of 10 or more, and $55 per person for smaller groups. Admission was included in the price of the tour ($90 per person.) On the way back down, our tour guide stopped at some places and brought out various native herbs and plants for us to smell and look at. One of the more interesting things was a plant which looked something like an orange coconut. He opened it up and inside was a pod of very large seeds covered in an edible gook. They dry the gook off, roast the beans, and grind them. And that's how you make chocolate. Afterwards they took us for lunch to a restaurant in this really idyllic cove. You felt like you were in paradise. The food was local fare and very interesting. Back in the port there were vendors selling souvenirs. This was the best shopping of the entire trip. These were all local people selling local crafts at very reasonable prices. Pros and Cons ============= 1. The ship told everyone they had to attend the life boat drill right before the ship left Florida. If you did not attend they threatened to make you disembark - Yeah!!! 2. They were very careful about the Norwalk Virus. Staff pestered you about using hand sanitizer at various places. All food at the buffet was served for the first 2 days of the cruise - Yeah!!! 3. There are no unlimited beverage cards anymore. It used to be you could buy a soda card (for an exorbitant price) and you would have unlimited soda at certain venues on the ship. They still sell a soda card, but it is only good for a certain number of drinks. The same applies to coffee cards and the like. I never used these so I don't care. However, I brought soda onboard the ship with me when I came. 4. Internet access is either: 75 cents/minute, $55 for 100 minutes, or $100 for 250 minutes. There are bonus minutes given out if you sign up on the first day. Support for the internet is up on Deck 10 near the Crow's Nest. It is very spotty. There is a schedule posted with different times on different days, but it's fairly limited. We had the internet down a whole day on the cruise and were unable to get anybody to fix the problem. Apparently the front desk has no way to get in contact with the support person. Boo--- 5. Due to the unreliability of infrastructure in Panama, and this business of starting tours on the lake but then ending them at the Port, I would recommend that if you do take a tour in Panama, you only take it through the ship. On our cruise one of the tours was about an hour late and the ship waited for them. Any activity to be done at Half Moon Cay must also be scheduled through the ship. 6. Holland America takes good care of their guests. When coming back to the ship from the ports, there was usually someone there with a cold, wet, hand cloth and cold water. Froggy, you and I had some different experiences in several areas, but since this isn't our thread, I'll just limit this to a few things. First, you have no choice but take a HAL tour in Panama. They made that very clear on my cruise last week. Second, there were many vegetarian choices at dinner and lunch and anyone who is vegetarian can also make arrangements with the head waiter the day before for a special meal. In fact, they will sit with you and plan your menu if you wish. You can also mix and match your main courses, etc. in the main dining room. Just ask. As for unlimited soda or coffee cards, I don't think that ever existed. I've always paid XX dollars for XX number of drinks (soda/coffee) and when it was gone, it was gone. Anyway, these are just my experiences from my cruise, which ended 2 days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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