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The Titanic II if she is built,will she be tough competition for the Cunard Line?

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Since this project was announced last April 30th, I am surprised that there is no thread about this proposal to build Titanic II.Here is the website with current updates www.bluestarline.com.au It is my guess that if this ship is built she maybe tough competition for the Cunard Line's 3 Queens.Anyone else here think that if Titanic II is built will she will be tough competition for the Cunard Line? Clive Palmer who is the rich Australian business man that will own Titanic II also plans to build 3 other ships and that his new passenger ship company will have the name Blue Star Line.There is this other website that is about all the plans and schemes to build a Titanic replica and so far not even a plate of steel has been welded in a shipyard for a new Titanic Ship ever since that Titanic movie was first released in December 1997.Here is that website www.put.com/gigantic Regards,Jerry

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The Australian guy seems to be a master at obtaining publicity. Substantive details of the Titanic project are limited.

 

There's no evidence the Chinese shipyard has ever built a liner or cruise ship. So how much will the finishing of such a ship challenge them?

 

If this is a true replica, adapted only for today's safety rules, as Palmer has suggested I question who will want to cruise in Third Class. That leaves only First Class, very expensive, and Second Class which might compare with usual comfort levels on today's cruise ships. Not much competition for Cunard.

 

It's a cute idea but I'll be surprised if we ever see Titanic II.

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I'll believe it... when I see it in Southampton.

 

Quick, look... there goes a flying pig.

That is a funny joke.I admit that I'm a skeptic concerning if the Titanic II is built and I'll believe it when I see a Titanic II floating on the water.If Clive Palmer is really serious and proves us wrong and Titanic II is built maybe there will be a bright side to this and that is Cunard worried about the competition from Titanic II lowers the transatlantic and cruise fares of all 3 Cunard Queens.Anybody else have any opinions on this? Regards,Jerry
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If it was built I wouldn't be comfortable travelling on her, we should let the Titanic rest in peace. There have been lots of reports here in Australia about Clive Palmers plans in relation to the class structure, in relation to the casino, people who are pensioners & on low income and or cabins will not be allowed into the casino and those whom do wish to attend the casino will need to prove their wealth before hand. I think the class structure that Mr Palmer wants to create is out of touch for today's times and it will not work. Mr Palmer is a capitalist (I have no problem with that) and what I can tell you about capitalists is that ALL that matters is the bottom line, MUST be profitable and deliver sound results, looking as to how the cruise industry has evolved over the years it appears to me that these things are not on the same page. In theory it sounds good but when it comes to the bottom line it will only be a pipe dream. :eek::eek::eek:

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Love those who call flying pigs and such. Isn't that similar to what disbelievers originally said about transatlantic travel by steam? Something like its as achievable as voyaging from Liverpool to the moon.

 

I personally wouldn't travel on Titanic II as it really won't be a replica. But I wouldn't be surprised if it did get built.

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Love those who call flying pigs and such. Isn't that similar to what disbelievers originally said about transatlantic travel by steam? Something like its as achievable as voyaging from Liverpool to the moon. I personally wouldn't travel on Titanic II as it really won't be a replica. But I wouldn't be surprised if it did get built.
Well, one of us will be proven correct :) !

I love the Victorian attitude to steam & iron ships, bridges & tunnels, the confidence that anything was possible with a great engineer and a steam engine. The subject and the history has interested me since I was a child. I live within a few minutes walk of the SS Great Britain (look her up). A massive fan of I. K. Brunel.

 

But this latest plan (in a long line of plans to rebuild Titanic) is flawed from the start as a commercial venture. Some of the reasons were touched on above (strict class structure, steerage class not having en-suite bathrooms, eating from the same menus as 1912, banning the elderly, being checked to see if you've enough money to use the casino, lack of balconies, etc, etc).

I've looked at the "detailed" deck plans. They are the sort of thing that a 12 year old with an interest in model boats would draw. Steerage cabins are still tiny but have no relationship to the original layout because of SOLAS regulations, so you would get the lack of space of the 1912 originals, without the benefit of thinking at least you're staying in an authentic layout.

You've said yourself that you wouldn't travel on her, and I've a feeling that many would feel the same. This isn't going to be a cheap ship to board, but she will not provide the modern facilities that passengers have come to expect for the $s charged. I don't think there are enough ship-nuts to keep her going for more than one or two voyages, if she were ever built in the first place.

The only way, that I can see her sailing, was as one idea that was floated (excuse the pun); One or two voyages as replica Titanic then return to the yard to be cut down and re-fitted as a modern cruise ship.

 

In the end, rather than Titanic II, I still feel we are more likely to see a pig fly, Peter Shanks take a genuine interest in his customers, or questions about the Cunard dress-code cease :D .

Best wishes :) :) :).

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Well, one of us will be proven correct :) !

 

In the end, rather than Titanic II, I still feel we are more likely to see a pig fly, Peter Shanks take a genuine interest in his customers, or questions about the Cunard dress-code cease :D .

Best wishes :) :) :).

 

LOL - thanks for the smile of the day. ;)

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Well, one of us will be proven correct :) !

I love the Victorian attitude to steam & iron ships, bridges & tunnels, the confidence that anything was possible with a great engineer and a steam engine. The subject and the history has interested me since I was a child. I live within a few minutes walk of the SS Great Britain (look her up). A massive fan of I. K. Brunel.

 

But this latest plan (in a long line of plans to rebuild Titanic) is flawed from the start as a commercial venture. Some of the reasons were touched on above (strict class structure, steerage class not having en-suite bathrooms, eating from the same menus as 1912, banning the elderly, being checked to see if you've enough money to use the casino, lack of balconies, etc, etc).

I've looked at the "detailed" deck plans. They are the sort of thing that a 12 year old with an interest in model boats would draw. Steerage cabins are still tiny but have no relationship to the original layout because of SOLAS regulations, so you would get the lack of space of the 1912 originals, without the benefit of thinking at least you're staying in an authentic layout.

You've said yourself that you wouldn't travel on her, and I've a feeling that many would feel the same. This isn't going to be a cheap ship to board, but she will not provide the modern facilities that passengers have come to expect for the $s charged. I don't think there are enough ship-nuts to keep her going for more than one or two voyages, if she were ever built in the first place.

The only way, that I can see her sailing, was as one idea that was floated (excuse the pun); One or two voyages as replica Titanic then return to the yard to be cut down and re-fitted as a modern cruise ship.

 

In the end, rather than Titanic II, I still feel we are more likely to see a pig fly, Peter Shanks take a genuine interest in his customers, or questions about the Cunard dress-code cease :D .

Best wishes :) :) :).

 

Actually, modifications are being made to bring her up to standard and yes, modern luxuries like television and a spa (which Titanic had anyway in its Turkish Baths) will be included in an extra deck between C and D.

 

Palmer is so eccentric that I believe he will build it. But, I've no desire to travel on it.

 

You can be sure however that for every one person who shows no interest, two others will.

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But this latest plan (in a long line of plans to rebuild Titanic) is flawed from the start as a commercial venture. Some of the reasons were touched on above (strict class structure, steerage class not having en-suite bathrooms, eating from the same menus as 1912, banning the elderly, being checked to see if you've enough money to use the casino, lack of balconies, etc, etc).

 

I'm pretty sure that even some of the first class staterooms had to make do with shared bathroom facilities on Titanic.

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...Anyone else here think that if Titanic II is built will she will be tough competition for the Cunard Line?...

 

Not even slight competion. I for one have no desire whatsoever to have to hike down the corridor to use a shared washroom to wash and shave in the morning. Nor do I have the slightest desire to sail on some Mickey Mouse "replica" of a long dead and profoundly unsuccessful ship that, in its passing, took the lives of some 1,500 passengers. It's possible that there may be a few Titanic nuts and sundry other rivet counters out there who may prop up some kind of business for one or two voyages but, when they have lost interest, what then? There is no way this travesty is going to appeal to the regular cruise market.

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The closest thing to Titanic these days is QM2. A modern interpretation - of sorts. Which is a happy medium of today's passenger requirements and some semblance of the past ( ocean liner, dressing for dinner and that sort of thing).

 

Leaving out the bits from the past we don't want, such as shared bathrooms and half the ship unavailable to 3/4 of the passengers.

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I too was sceptical when I heard of the plans to built a replica. But I think there may actually be a market for this sort of ship. Many people who travel on Cunard ships are there to try and recapture some of the past glories of liner travel. The QM2 does it up to a point. But today's passengers are different from those in 1912. They need to be entertained constantly, won't put up with shared bathrooms, portholes instead of balconies, no outdoor swimming pool, etc.

A replica Olympic-class liner will however provide a unique voyage. Can you see yourself walking along the open deck at night in mid Atlantic and the 4 funnels looming above you?

Also, can you imagine what the crowds will be like when it pulls into port? Every sailing and arrival will be like the QM2 in Hamburg.

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I too was sceptical when I heard of the plans to built a replica. But I think there may actually be a market for this sort of ship. Many people who travel on Cunard ships are there to try and recapture some of the past glories of liner travel. The QM2 does it up to a point. But today's passengers are different from those in 1912. They need to be entertained constantly, won't put up with shared bathrooms, portholes instead of balconies, no outdoor swimming pool, etc.

A replica Olympic-class liner will however provide a unique voyage. Can you see yourself walking along the open deck at night in mid Atlantic and the 4 funnels looming above you?

Also, can you imagine what the crowds will be like when it pulls into port? Every sailing and arrival will be like the QM2 in Hamburg.

 

Would you be interested in buying a bridge?

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I think that there could be a combination deal here, if he buys the QE2 and sinks it, then builds a replica of Titanic but designs it so that it is a submarine and then he could run anorak tours to view or even dive onto the QE2. The shared bathrooms wouldn't be a problem as most of the passengers may not even have one in their hostel. He should name his ship Titanic Too so that he can say "look here cobber, this is the Titanic too".

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Why did he choose to name his company Blue Star Line ?? I wonder if the Vestey's lost/sold the rights to that name.

 

 

Edited to add: Never mind I found this on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Star_Line

 

Blue Star Line was bought by P&O Nedlloyd in 1998, which acquired the name and most of the assets, with the exception of most of the reefer ships, which were kept by the Vestey group under the name Albion Reefers, and then merged with Hamburg Süd's reefer fleet under the name Star Reefers.[2] Star Reefers was sold in July 2001 to Norwegian interests, and then subsequently merged with NYK Group as NYK Star Reefers Ltd. The Blue Star Line ships bought by P&O Nedlloyd, which included those operated as part of ACT, continued in service with P&O Nedlloyd under Blue Star Line names and liveries. The last Blue Star Line branded ship was scrapped in 2003.[2]

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