niko40 Posted February 16, 2013 #551 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Without a doubt, this is the BEST post on this entire thread. No it would if u posteed it:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necruiser215 Posted February 16, 2013 #552 Share Posted February 16, 2013 What RCCL and th eother shoudl do is just raise everyone's fare by $12.00 per day and quietly give this to staff in same distribution manner and no longer call it out as a service charge, tip, or anything else. It is part of your fare and cannot be changed/deleted. It would be a done deal and part of the cost of your cruise - only choice is book and pay or walk away. end the constant whining, complaining, and debates. Then it would also eliminate the cheapos that line up at GS to remove it claiming they are going to tip in cash which occurs on the lines with the autotips. I have always prepaid on RCL, NCL, Princess, HAL, Carnival, and Disney anyway as find the little enevelopes a bit tacky anyway and just consider and factor it as part of trip cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenfever Posted February 16, 2013 #553 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Oh please, pay the $12 a day voluntary service charge. It is an additional charge for cruising. If you want go through all your documentation, mark out gratuity and write in Service Charge if that will make you feel better. :rolleyes: FYI - Quit trying to explain to us what a gratuity/tip/lil something extra/bonus, etc is. This is not news to 99.999% of the posters on the boards. :D Praise the Lord and Pass the Basket!!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenn31708 Posted February 16, 2013 #554 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I'm also not happy that I booked this cruise over a year ago and I find out about mandatory tips being added 17 days before I leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired LEO Posted February 16, 2013 #555 Share Posted February 16, 2013 No matter what you think RCCL cannot make me tip As it is a thank you not a surcharge Just go to Guest Services. Tell them you're cheap and want to stiff the staff. I'm sure they'll understand. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexluthor Posted February 16, 2013 #556 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I didn't read the whole thread yet, but I just have a quick comment. If this new policy is to assure that everyone pays tips, they must be planning on collecting significantly more tips than previously. So, why is there an INCREASE in the recommended tip per person? People get made at the non-tippers because that means the workers aren't getting the money and that the actual tippers are bearing more of the burden. Well, since everyone is now tipping the full amount and sharing more of the burden, shouldn't the recommended tip per person have gone down some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necruiser215 Posted February 16, 2013 #557 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I'm also not happy that I booked this cruise over a year ago and I find out about mandatory tips being added 17 days before I leave. As anyone booked should have been planning and budgeted for the minimum recommended amounts anyway it should have little impact unless you were planning to stiff the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenfever Posted February 16, 2013 #558 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I didn't read the whole thread yet, but I just have a quick comment. If this new policy is to assure that everyone pays tips, they must be planning on collecting significantly more tips than previously. So, why is there an INCREASE in the recommended tip per person? People get made at the non-tippers because that means the workers aren't getting the money and that the actual tippers are bearing more of the burden. Well, since everyone is now tipping the full amount and sharing more of the burden, shouldn't the recommended tip per person have gone down some? They probably wanted to round up the number and make bookkeeping easier. We are talking $.35pp per day. That's $2.45 per week in a JS cabin or lower cabin category. Not much of an increase IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phish tales Posted February 16, 2013 #559 Share Posted February 16, 2013 As anyone booked should have been planning and budgeted for the minimum recommended amounts anyway it should have little impact unless you were planning to stiff the staff. 98% of those that have a problem with the mandatory surcharge are the ones that always did the stiffing.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenfever Posted February 16, 2013 #560 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I'm also not happy that I booked this cruise over a year ago and I find out about mandatory tips being added 17 days before I leave. At least they notified you.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fydlstyx Posted February 16, 2013 #561 Share Posted February 16, 2013 98% of those that have a problem with the mandatory surcharge are the ones that always did the stiffing.:eek: You know that making up statistics doesn't make them factual, right? :D Cute dog in your sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare orville99 Posted February 16, 2013 #562 Share Posted February 16, 2013 What RCCL and th eother shoudl do is just raise everyone's fare by $12.00 per day and quietly give this to staff in same distribution manner and no longer call it out as a service charge, tip, or anything else. It is part of your fare and cannot be changed/deleted. It would be a done deal and part of the cost of your cruise - only choice is book and pay or walk away. end the constant whining, complaining, and debates. The crew would absolutely love this. Those who currently TWOB would continue to tip (thus giving crew double tips), and those who BWOT wouldn't have to hide anymore on the final night:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexluthor Posted February 16, 2013 #563 Share Posted February 16, 2013 They probably wanted to round up the number and make bookkeeping easier. We are talking $.35pp per day. That's $2.45 per week in a JS cabin or lower cabin category. Not much of an increase IMHO. Yes, not an increase enough to worry about. I guess my point was that RC is a business with a goal to make as money as it can. They wouldn't be implementing this policy unless it made them more money. There are a lot of people who like this policy just so they feel better that they don't have to see people who don't pay full tips now have to pay their share. These people felt that the non-tippers are forcing them to pay an unfair burden of the tips. I'd feel a lot better about the new policy if they lowered the amount or provided some assurance that the extra amount collected was all going to the employees (and that RC wasn't instituting a corresponding pay cut to negate the increased tips). Clearly there's going to be a pretty big jump in total tips collected and clearly it's not all going to the employees. I call that a hidden price increase to their customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted February 16, 2013 #564 Share Posted February 16, 2013 98% of those that have a problem with the mandatory surcharge are the ones that always did the stiffing.:eek: You are really getting out of hand. First of all there is no manadtory surcharge. I think many of the objections are because they don't understand the new policy. After a while it will be a matter of course. You don't seem to understand it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare orville99 Posted February 16, 2013 #565 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Yes, not an increase enough to worry about. I guess my point was that RC is a business with a goal to make as money as it can. They wouldn't be implementing this policy unless it made them more money. There are a lot of people who like this policy just so they feel better that they don't have to see people who don't pay full tips now have to pay their share. These people felt that the non-tippers are forcing them to pay an unfair burden of the tips. I'd feel a lot better about the new policy if they lowered the amount or provided some assurance that the extra amount collected was all going to the employees (and that RC wasn't instituting a corresponding pay cut to negate the increased tips). Clearly there's going to be a pretty big jump in total tips collected and clearly it's not all going to the employees. I call that a hidden price increase to their customers. RCL stands to clear millions on the operational and processing float once this is fully implemented, so I doubt there's any "skimming" going on. When you think about it, the funds float for almost 90 days before the crew's payday from your cruise ever hits their wallets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted February 16, 2013 #566 Share Posted February 16, 2013 What RCCL and th eother shoudl do is just raise everyone's fare by $12.00 per day and quietly give this to staff in same distribution manner and no longer call it out as a service charge, tip, or anything else. It is part of your fare and cannot be changed/deleted. It would be a done deal and part of the cost of your cruise - only choice is book and pay or walk away. end the constant whining, complaining, and debates. Then it would also eliminate the cheapos that line up at GS to remove it claiming they are going to tip in cash which occurs on the lines with the autotips. I have always prepaid on RCL, NCL, Princess, HAL, Carnival, and Disney anyway as find the little enevelopes a bit tacky anyway and just consider and factor it as part of trip cost. They don't make it part of the fare because then it would become commisionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachin2 Posted February 16, 2013 #567 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Reading this thread made me realize just how many truely cheap people there are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temple1 Posted February 16, 2013 #568 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Yes, not an increase enough to worry about. I guess my point was that RC is a business with a goal to make as money as it can. They wouldn't be implementing this policy unless it made them more money. There are a lot of people who like this policy just so they feel better that they don't have to see people who don't pay full tips now have to pay their share. These people felt that the non-tippers are forcing them to pay an unfair burden of the tips. I'd feel a lot better about the new policy if they lowered the amount or provided some assurance that the extra amount collected was all going to the employees (and that RC wasn't instituting a corresponding pay cut to negate the increased tips). Clearly there's going to be a pretty big jump in total tips collected and clearly it's not all going to the employees. I call that a hidden price increase to their customers. I think recruiting good staff is pretty competitive. With the increase in cruises from SA, AU, GB and Europe, plus cheap Americans they are finding it more and more difficult to get and keep qualified staff. Since they are behind all the other major cruiselines in their gratuity/service charge structure they have had to make the change. As I wrote before - why do you think they are skimming? Do you think Carrabbas is skimming of their employees? Why should a multinational corporation steal from their staff? RCL stands to clear millions on the operational and processing float once this is fully implemented, so I doubt there's any "skimming" going on. When you think about it, the funds float for almost 90 days before the crew's payday from your cruise ever hits their wallets. You are kidding, right? It is 2013 not 1980 as far as income on float. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare orville99 Posted February 16, 2013 #569 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think recruiting good staff is pretty competitive. With the increase in cruises from SA, AU, GB and Europe, plus cheap Americans they are finding it more and more difficult to get and keep qualified staff. Since they are behind all the other major cruiselines in their gratuity/service charge structure they have had to make the change. As I wrote before - why do you think they are skimming? Do you think Carrabbas is skimming of their employees? Why should a multinational corporation steal from their staff? You are kidding, right? It is 2013 not 1980 as far as income on float. For you and me, yes, but if you're a multi-billion $$ corporation that's floating around $300MM in tip collections a year, there are significantly broader investment options than a CD from your local bank. The current prime rate is 3.25%, and RCL can get a lot closer to that rate than the <1% CD rate that you and I can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southstaffs3 Posted February 16, 2013 #570 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I'm also not happy that I booked this cruise over a year ago and I find out about mandatory tips being added 17 days before I leave. Me to :confused::confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sr4mjc Posted February 16, 2013 #571 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I always hated the envelopes. I found them awkward and I dreaded the last night when it was time to give them out, and they almost always contained more than the suggested gratuity amount. I don't need a dog and pony show of 'excellent service' to justify a tip. In fact the best cabin steward I ever had on the Oasis, I NEVER saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollux Posted February 16, 2013 #572 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Its a notice also for the US. My friend from CA just forwarded the email to me. I have not received one yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southstaffs3 Posted February 16, 2013 #573 Share Posted February 16, 2013 For you and me, yes, but if you're a multi-billion $$ corporation that's floating around $300MM in tip collections a year, there are significantly broader investment options than a CD from your local bank. The current prime rate is 3.25%, and RCL can get a lot closer to that rate than the <1% CD rate that you and I can get. Like:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sr4mjc Posted February 16, 2013 #574 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I'm also not happy that I booked this cruise over a year ago and I find out about mandatory tips being added 17 days before I leave. Why not? Did you not already plan for the amount in your budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_K Posted February 16, 2013 #575 Share Posted February 16, 2013 98% of those that have a problem with the mandatory surcharge are the ones that always did the stiffing.:eek:I knew that. Did you know that 83.5% of statistics are made up by the people relating them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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