Norwegian Cruise Line will institute changes to its smoking policy for all sailings o

[Gon2hwe]

And this is relative to a Carnival Forum how? Is this yet another attempt to get arguments and name calling started again?

[VacationCrazee]

All of you could be right and I could be wrong but there is something about a non-smoking ship that didn't work before and I am not sure what would work now. I am sure the folks that like the smoke on a regular and freely are now rethinking land vacations.

 

The cost alone to argue that their contracts are valid is always more than the pittance they throw to those that actual sue. Some lawsuits are tossed, some are paid off. I have worked in the legal field for over 35 years often with product liability/corporate defense big ticket attorneys. It would boggle your mind how many nuisance lawsuits end with the plaintiff getting a check. Carnival's contract is valid and enforceable but that doesn't stop an eager attorney from filing a lawsuit any way in the hopes of a "get lost" payoff. Happens all the time. It is part of doing business.

 

Putting a few off the ship for being jerks (I have seen that also) or a criminal (drug possession) and lining up all the smokers who are caught smoking more than once and marching them off the ship are two different animals all together. Ain't gonna happen. Laughable that anyone would be foolish enough to envision that. . . . That too CNN would have a field day with. Hahahahahahaha!!! If Carnival marched a good number (say 50) off the ship at some wayward port and the media got hold of that. . . I am sorry but that would be an absolute PR nightmare. . . .

 

It would suit everyone to believe that the wrongdoers are always punished but unfortunately it is not usually the case.

 

As for calling me a know-it-all. I thought name calling was not allowed here any more.

 

I don't know it all but putting something on a person's credit card, this I know. But, as I read this I am reminded that most people are unaware of their power as a credit card holder, I am sure more often than not, the average Joe would just suck it up and pay. Most people do because they have no knowledge of how a credit card dispute works. Again, this I know well.

 

If Carnival was not feeling the bite of all of their negative press in the last 18 months or so and with the economy flying again, someone tell me why are they all but giving cruises away???? Perhaps the no-smoking is an attempt to lure more customers to book the higher end cabins or to just try cruising.

 

But, since I am ok with whatever ban they institute for my 2 cruises and I have never booked a balcony to smoke or otherwise . . .

 

Not my circus, not my monkeys. In other words, not my fight.

 

Carry on. . . . time will tell how the no-smoking ban works. I still say it will be tweaked to perfection over the next year or so. :rolleyes:

[VacationCrazee]

When does this ban take affect any way??? I hope it is after my cruises bc I don't want to be onboard as the self-appointed "cigarette police" troll the halls, sniffing the air, looking for rule breakers.:D:rolleyes:

 

hahahahahahaha!!! just to lighten things up a bit.

Edited July 17, 2014 by VacationCrazee

[AdGuyMG]

There aren't a whole lot of other options to air travel. There are a whole lot of other options for vacationing so honestly its a huge difference. A lot of smokers are looking into AIs now because they allow smoking outdoors everywhere

 

I believe Carnival allows people to smoke outdoors everywhere while off the ship in the Bahamas, San Juan, Cozumel, St. Thomas, Alaska and afew other ports that just don't come to mind at the moment.

[winddawn]

And in the casino, for players only

I can see all the smokers headed for the lifeboats now.......

 

I've never seen that rule enforced in the casino. I see people walking around the casino smoking and smoking at non-smoking machines on every cruise. Never once have I seen anyone enforce the "only while playing" at designated smoking machines rule.

 

I really wish they would just give smokers a couple of designated OUTDOOR smoking areas and not concentrate them all in the casino.

Edited July 17, 2014 by winddawn

[RuthlessBoss]

This is true! I sailed that ship 4 times when it was first brought out on the east coast. People were definitely put off....and I remember the incident where the whole family was put off because of the son.

 

BTW...the times I sailed Paradise back then, it was always full... It was great!

 

But apparently not full of drinkers and smokers in the casino nor Lido. That was dollars not gotten.

[winddawn]

Rather than going with an entire ship that's non smoking...when the next schedules come out next year,they should try non smoking cruises.

 

That way they can see if there is really a demand and if the sailings are profitable, plus non smokers could have multiple ships and itineraries to choose from..

I totally disagree. Instead of offering a couple smoke-free cruises, they need to offer a couple of smoking cruises and let the rest of the fleet be totally smoke-free.

[RuthlessBoss]

I believe Carnival allows people to smoke outdoors everywhere while off the ship in the Bahamas, San Juan, Cozumel, St. Thomas, Alaska and afew other ports that just don't come to mind at the moment.

 

Yes, Carnival gives each smoker a permission slip saying it's okay:D

[AdGuyMG]

If I'm not mistaken the only indoor place you could smoke was in the casino on Breeze.

 

And "Liquid", the dance club.

[AdGuyMG]

Yes, Carnival gives each smoker a permission slip saying it's okay:D

 

But if a ship security person catches you smoking indoors at Diamonds International, Colombian Emeralds or Effy's you will be forced to make a minimum $250 Tanzanite purchase or be denied reboarding.

 

The ship personnel monitoring this are off duty bacon police.

[goduckies05]

I work for a bank. You can dispute the charge but if you got value then you lose. They also make you sign under penalty of purgury so I would be careful making a false statement.

 

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[EZ4]

If Carnival was not feeling the bite of all of their negative press in the last 18 months or so and with the economy flying again, someone tell me why are they all but giving cruises away???? Perhaps the no-smoking is an attempt to lure more customers to book the higher end cabins or to just try cruising.

 

 

Carnival has allowed the bean counters to deteriorate the product to the point that that's all they can charge now. They don't want to be the benevolent rich uncle. Trust me, if they could charge more, they would. But they can't.

Edited July 17, 2014 by EZ4

[justjim312]

There is no comparison between a 2-6 hour flight to your destination and a 4-8 day vacation. . . .

 

The idea that a cruiseship will impose a fine is interesting. . .

 

How will they collect this money? Unless they have a signed receipt accepting the penalty and agreeing to pay the fine or video feed of the offense, how exactly does Carnival plan to collect the aforementioned fine???? Once off the ship, the smoker can just dispute the charge by saying, "it wasn't me. they have me confused with someone else" and Carnival then has to fight the credit card company. . . . Carnival is not going to do that. If they demand payment while on the cruise, that is just $250 less the person has to spend on the ship. Lose - lose for ole Carnival (or NCL as the case may be). Will they threaten to put the person off the ship if they don't pay upfront? If so, I believe the United States penal code views that as extortion. . . Again, if paid by credit card, not

enforceable or collectable.

 

And, if a person repeatedly smokes in their room will they be put off the ship on some distant shore?? If so, when that smoker meets up with unfortunate misadventure while stranded, who is liable for any loss or injury?? Carnival would be foolish to go into court and explain that they left anyone on some island without proper resources simply because "they repeated smoked cigarettes on their balcony." Now that I type this, perhaps there was a more direct reason for Carnival ditching that No Smoking ship back in the day. . . . Any misfortune that befalls someone put off the ship who was not either clearly breaking a serious law or a danger to the other passengers would fall right in the pockets of Carnival. . . contract be darned. . . .

 

Sounds good in theory but just how far and how much risk is Carnival willing to substain over a 5 minute cigarette. . . . I am not anti the new policy. I am just wondering thru typing how much smoke and mirrors (excuse the pun) is involved in this "new" policy.

 

 

 

And CCL does not have very good track record enforcing their own rules. I wonder if this rule will be the same way?

[Midwestgal]

And "Liquid", the dance club.

 

We did stop in for a short time one night...didn't smell anything, must of been a non smoking crowd. Still there's not much smoking in the inside public areas.

[hftmrock]

There is no comparison between a 2-6 hour flight to your destination and a 4-8 day vacation. . . .

 

The idea that a cruiseship will impose a fine is interesting. . .

 

How will they collect this money? Unless they have a signed receipt accepting the penalty and agreeing to pay the fine or video feed of the offense, how exactly does Carnival plan to collect the aforementioned fine???? Once off the ship, the smoker can just dispute the charge by saying, "it wasn't me. they have me confused with someone else" and Carnival then has to fight the credit card company. . . . Carnival is not going to do that. If they demand payment while on the cruise, that is just $250 less the person has to spend on the ship. Lose - lose for ole Carnival (or NCL as the case may be). Will they threaten to put the person off the ship if they don't pay upfront? If so, I believe the United States penal code views that as extortion. . . Again, if paid by credit card, not enforceable or collectable.

 

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they will give the person a choice. sign a doc admitting responsibility or be removed off the ship. They have the authority to do either. most people will sign the doc admitting guilt

[pspercy]

And in the casino, for players only

 

Triumph had signs saying this last December. It was hard to tell if it was being enforced but, in fairness, it didn't seem to be being abused either, at least when I was there.

[iceleven]

You do realize that Princess has had this non-smoking rule for several years now and it has been very successful and they fill their ships. In fact, it is one reason I stopped cruising Carnival and NCL.

[gregg204]

Carnival has allowed the bean counters to deteriorate the product to the point that that's all they can charge now. They don't want to be the benevolent rich uncle. Trust me, if they could charge more, they would. But they can't.

 

I'm still waiting to cruise on this deteriorated product you speak of. Sure haven't seen it in the last 3 years. I don't think the 4200 passengers I sailed with on the Dream last month would agree with your comment either. Well maybe a few.

Edited July 17, 2014 by gregg204

[travelerblue]

We have only had 3 balconies in all of our cruises. There was not a problem with the Aft balcony, but we had smokers beside us on the other two cruises. It was so bad the last time we paid about $600 more for a balcony cabin that we couldn't even use our balcony at all. What a waste of money! DH enjoys drinking his coffee on the balcony early in the morning and couldn't enjoy that experience even once. Our neighbors were smokers who rarely left their cabin. We swore we would never waste our money on a balcony again because you never know if you will have neighbors who smoke on the balcony. I prefer not to breathe in their smoke. Yay! Now we can book a balcony again. DH will be happy.

[pe4all]

Rather than going with an entire ship that's non smoking...when the next schedules come out next year,they should try non smoking cruises.

 

That way they can see if there is really a demand and if the sailings are profitable, plus non smokers could have multiple ships and itineraries to choose from..

The only problem I see with this is that the "trial" non-smoking cruises probably would not fit into a lot of people's schedules - therefore not giving a true picture of how the ships would fill. I would book one if it fit into my schedule, and - more importantly - if the itinerary and ship offered was decent.

I totally disagree. Instead of offering a couple smoke-free cruises, they need to offer a couple of smoking cruises and let the rest of the fleet be totally smoke-free.

This!!

[RuthlessBoss]

We have only had 3 balconies in all of our cruises. There was not a problem with the Aft balcony, but we had smokers beside us on the other two cruises. It was so bad the last time we paid about $600 more for a balcony cabin that we couldn't even use our balcony at all. What a waste of money! DH enjoys drinking his coffee on the balcony early in the morning and couldn't enjoy that experience even once. Our neighbors were smokers who rarely left their cabin. We swore we would never waste our money on a balcony again because you never know if you will have neighbors who smoke on the balcony. I prefer not to breathe in their smoke. Yay! Now we can book a balcony again. DH will be happy.

 

So, why did you continue to book balconies on a cruise line you knew there might be smoking?

[quickrate]

So, why did you continue to book balconies on a cruise line you knew there might be smoking?

 

I can answer this. Because you hope the people next to you won't be chain smokers that constantly use their balcony to smoke. We only book balconies because we use them a lot, but on a few occasions, have been run off our balconies by the smokers next to us. It's the luck of the draw. Those who smoke[i'm an ex-smoker], don't realize how bad it smells and they smell! When standing in line at a grocery store, I immediately know when the person behind or in front of me is a smoker from the way they smell. It's a habit that is hard to break.

Pat

[gemsm]

I work for a bank. You can dispute the charge but if you got value then you lose. They also make you sign under penalty of purgury so I would be careful making a false statement.

 

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a 250.00 cleaning fee is not value.

[gemsm]

You do realize that Princess has had this non-smoking rule for several years now and it has been very successful and they fill their ships. In fact, it is one reason I stopped cruising Carnival and NCL.

 

No they don't...there are all kinds of cabins available for their next 3 weeks of sailings

[jtdlmc]

Let me start off by saying I am an ex-smoker (9 years) and they say that ex-smokers are the worst at complaining about smoke. On all of my cruises in which we had balconies, I never once smelled smoke from another balcony. Maybe I've just been lucky, but with all the ranting and raving I've been reading "EVERY TIME we get a balcony, it is wasted because of chain smokers next door" from so many different posters, I find that hard to believe - that is IF their complaints are actually true (which I also doubt). It is beyond me how smoke can linger in a balcony on a moving ship enough to bother anyone if they did in fact get a whiff of it at all! I've got a whiff or two of that black crap that comes out the whale tail and I would much rather get the odd whiff of smoke then smell that! That has just as much, if not more, carcinogens than cigarette smoke but the zealots won't complain about that will they - that would affect them if it came down to actually something having to be done about those emissions - namely higher fares. Seems to me that the overzealous non-smokers just take things a little far in all aspects when it comes to smoking. Whether they actually believe these things they complain about (psychosomatic) I don't know, but I guess they complain the loudest and so are the only ones heard. If capacity goes down and fares rise because of this, you bet you will hear them complaining the loudest once again.