UKCruiseJeff Posted August 22, 2014 #76 Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) On SS 'V Ships or more exactly V.Group' is the major employer. The Boutique, Spa and Casino are franchised and the SS Artists are employed by Choozi Entertainment. So which member of MP are you then? Thought you found the topic boring! :) Edited August 22, 2014 by UKCruiseJeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregon50 Posted August 22, 2014 #77 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I am curious to understand why any posts about tipping are removed so quickly. Still curious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumblefoot Posted August 22, 2014 #78 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I am curious to understand why any posts about tipping are removed so quickly. Still curious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelcat2 Posted August 23, 2014 #79 Share Posted August 23, 2014 On SS 'V Ships or more exactly V.Group' is the major employer. The Boutique, Spa and Casino are franchised and the SS Artists are employed by Choozi Entertainment. Thank you so much for answering my question:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted August 23, 2014 #80 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Understanding from whom? It is my understanding from talking extensively with crew -- bar staff, wait staff, housekeeping staff, HDs, etc. This was especially clear in the immediate wake of 9/11 and more recently during the depth of the recession, when loads were depressed. I can recall a number of Silversea/Regent/Seabourn crew who came to those lines from premium lines where they depended on tips. They say they much prefer the predictability of the gratuities-included lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tothesunset Posted August 23, 2014 #81 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) The wages for the various cruise lines can be found by a decent googling session. We did this a year or so ago after our first cruise because we were curious to confirm what others had said on board about SS wages being very generous compared to other lines. Which they were but, of course, we have no idea how much tipping alters the balance. I'd look it all up again and post the links but I can't be bothered. Anyone interested can have a go; set aside an hour or two. Edited August 23, 2014 by Tothesunset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ronrick1943 Posted August 24, 2014 #82 Share Posted August 24, 2014 You know someone from Silver Seas must be reading these post, so just maybe they can tells what is right. How much of are fare goes to tipping. Other lines do this up front. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waldos Posted August 25, 2014 #83 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Perhaps I misunderstand but I always assumed that "tips included" meant that the crew received a wage that was higher than crews who were expecting tips. Another way of saying no tipping, we pay our crew decent wages. This is what it means in the restaurant business. If it actually meant literally that x amount if your fare was for a tip then the crew would get different pay depending on the number of passengers, which I don't think they do. And obviously our fares pay 100% of the crew wages. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyk47 Posted August 25, 2014 #84 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Perhaps I misunderstand but I always assumed that "tips included" meant that the crew received a wage that was higher than crews who were expecting tips. Another way of saying no tipping, we pay our crew decent wages. This is what it means in the restaurant business. If it actually meant literally that x amount if your fare was for a tip then the crew would get different pay depending on the number of passengers, which I don't think they do. And obviously our fares pay 100% of the crew wages. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk My understanding, or maybe misunderstanding, too. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincslady Posted August 25, 2014 #85 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yes, I believe the 'small luxury lines' pay better salaries than the mainstream ones - consequently generally get better staff. But I believe Silversea have said that the staff get a 15% tip? I don't see how this can work, unless it was by numbers of passengers on board. Am I right that they have quoted this figure somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waldos Posted August 25, 2014 #86 Share Posted August 25, 2014 That would be quite the tip and seems highly unlikely to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Silver Spectre Posted August 25, 2014 #87 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Perhaps I misunderstand but I always assumed that "tips included" meant that the crew received a wage that was higher than crews who were expecting tips. Another way of saying no tipping, we pay our crew decent wages. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk This is my understanding too. The only people who get 'tipped' by the ship are the Spa staff and the fitness instructor. In the former case the 'tip' element was added to the charges sometime last year. And for the fitness instructor the money that people pay for chargeable lessons forms part of their wages. They are on a fairly low basic (less than a suite assistant) and SS deducts a fee from the charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyk47 Posted August 25, 2014 #88 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yes, I believe the 'small luxury lines' pay better salaries than the mainstream ones - consequently generally get better staff. But I believe Silversea have said that the staff get a 15% tip? I don't see how this can work, unless it was by numbers of passengers on board. Am I right that they have quoted this figure somewhere? That would be quite the tip and seems highly unlikely to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree with 5waldos, 15% would be a huge tip actually. Now I can see 15% added to say the spa treatments but those are fully contracted positions and services totally separate from the fare. I know some lines that don't roll gratuities directly in the fare have a standard dollar amount per day for gratuities rather than a percentage of the fare. Some also add a service charge to beverage purchases and at least one charges 15%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ronrick1943 Posted August 25, 2014 #89 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You know Silver Seas states on the web site That TIPS ARE INCLUDED, AND NONE EXPECTED, WHY NOT SAY TIPS INCLUDED, AND NEVER ACCEPTED...... RICK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyk47 Posted August 25, 2014 #90 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You know Silver Seas states on the web siteThat TIPS ARE INCLUDED, AND NONE EXPECTED, WHY NOT SAY TIPS INCLUDED, AND NEVER ACCEPTED...... RICK Probably because the last "AND NEVER ACCEPTED......." isn't true. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ronrick1943 Posted August 26, 2014 #91 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Probably because the last "AND NEVER ACCEPTED......." isn't true. :D I KNOW....However if we had a number in % or whatever you know what they are getting---than you could add if you wanted and know your not over tipping. It would just be nice to have a number and Silver Seas could do that pretty easy. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waldos Posted August 26, 2014 #92 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I KNOW....However if we had a number in % or whatever you know what they are getting---than you could add if you wanted and know your not over tipping. It would just be nice to have a number and Silver Seas could do that pretty easy. Rick Because they aren't receiving tips they are being paid wages. If they were getting tips their pay checks would vary by the number of guests. I think this is a semantic issue that people are getting hung up on. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKCruiseJeff Posted August 26, 2014 #93 Share Posted August 26, 2014 What you say may or may not be correct. And there lies the other semantic point some are stuck on. The difference between opinion that they hold but treat as though it were documented fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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