Breakaway left 3 passengers in Bermuda today

[biker@sea]

Because the dockmaster is one of webmasters, if you had bother to read the other earlier posts that state who he is.

 

Again, stay making excuses for 2 nitwits that don't know how get back on time - You're going to make the thread go to 30 pages all for defending 2 dingbats and saying NCL was at fault when they clearly weren't...[emoji57]

 

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So now what are you sayin. Your Dock-master friend screwed up.

 

 

"Dock Master is generally the title of the top yard and dock employee at a marina or yacht club where there is a general manager of the entire facility including restaurants and club activities. This is mostly true of large operations and places that have the tradition of a Dock Master as the head of the yard and dock department."

 

Was he not on the dock?

[luvtheships]

Wait! What, you talked to the dockmaster?? What did he say? What's his take on Bermuda loosing 8,000 man hours of vacationers spending per week?

 

You bring up an interesting point

 

I'm thinking that Bermuda port might have done something...increased fees...more stringent docking requirements perhaps....to piss ncl off enough so that they just decided to high tail it out early

 

Heck why deal with issues in Bermuda when you can corral your pax back 2 hours early and get an additional 1 hour and 45 minutes of casino times...i.e. pax losses...out of them?

 

Why give Bermuda the benefit?

 

Otoh if Bermuda reduced fees enough to match what ncl thinks they will make in casino income they time might remain until 5 pm

 

Of course the above is mho but its not a stretch to realize that this port time change is purely $$$$....and of course ...for our convenience. Lol

 

Ncl is just so obvious and blatant in all their moves a child could figure it out.

 

 

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[cadien]

A text would work. Something doesn't add up. Why would Mom wait until the last moment? I would be sending texts and calling non stop. If she knew where they were she could have called the bar. I'm sure the ship would have helped if it prevented leaving passengers or being late.

 

It really isn't suspicious at all. I certainly wouldn't have my phone on. And even if I did, I wouldn't look at it.

 

The mother perhaps knew that they planned to go to Calico Jacks. It's unlikely she had confirmation that they were still there. I consider that a very good reason to go look for them. I wouldn't assume that the only possible reason a family member was late getting back was that they were drunk and careless. It would certainly be possible, even likely, but how bad would you feel if it turned out there was a different reason?

 

(I don't think there was any obligation for NCL to wait.)

Edited August 25, 2015 by cadien

[MrMike45]

You bring up an interesting point

 

I'm thinking that Bermuda port might have done something...increased fees...more stringent docking requirements perhaps....to piss ncl off enough so that they just decided to high tail it out early

 

Heck why deal with issues in Bermuda when you can corral your pax back 2 hours early and get an additional 1 hour and 45 minutes of casino times...i.e. pax losses...out of them?

 

Why give Bermuda the benefit?

 

Otoh if Bermuda reduced fees enough to match what ncl thinks they will make in casino income they time might remain until 5 pm

 

Of course the above is mho but its not a stretch to realize that this port time change is purely $$$$....and of course ...for our convenience. Lol

 

Ncl is just so obvious and blatant in all their moves a child could figure it out.

 

 

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I am not picking on you, but you were the last post so easiest to quote.

 

This thread started as "Breakaway left people behind in Bermuda". It then was discovered that no, people were late going back to the ship and missed the boat in Bermuda.

 

Somehow, 18 pages later, bashing mom came and went. Insulting other posters popped in and out. And now, as everything else seems to revert back to, bashing NCL is breaking out.

 

Here is the cruise itinerary. The ship LEAVES BERMUDA AT 3PM!. You are aware of it well before the first day you are docked in Bermuda.

 

Who cares why NCL decided that time. Truthfully, it is none of your concern. If you are unhappy and those 2 extra hours make or break the cruise for you...DON'T BOOK IT!

 

This is about 2 adults missing a pre-designed hard curfew/time to leave that 5000+ other people/crew members made. The end.

[NLH Arizona]

Nonsense.

The ship has a schedule. leaving late isn't free.

The ship and the company have no obligation to wait for fools.

Not to mention, that there were signs posted with the time to be back on board...See KweezyCruiser's post, who was also on that cruise:

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by KweezyCruiser View Post

Who said? There was the usual electronic sign with the red letters.

 

And as people have said, it was clearly stated in the dailies.

 

I can not fathom how someone is (1) saying that NCL should have waited for these young ladies and (2) that it is NCL's fault.

[Angelsea57]

Bermuda is known for expensive land stay hotels right? That's why the cruises are a popular way of visiting the island? (I am not sure if that was Bermuda)

 

Not sure if I would enjoy the beauty of Bermuda with expensive walk in hotel rates while trying to arrange emergency IDs, tickets and getting some money for first needs.. ;) :D

So true. Very expensive there.

I would hate to be them.

I hope they have a good travel insurance.

[luvtheships]

I am not picking on you, but you were the last post so easiest to quote.

 

This thread started as "Breakaway left people behind in Bermuda". It then was discovered that no, people were late going back to the ship and missed the boat in Bermuda.

 

Somehow, 18 pages later, bashing mom came and went. Insulting other posters popped in and out. And now, as everything else seems to revert back to, bashing NCL is breaking out.

 

Here is the cruise itinerary. The ship LEAVES BERMUDA AT 3PM!. You are aware of it well before the first day you are docked in Bermuda.

 

Who cares why NCL decided that time. Truthfully, it is none of your concern. If you are unhappy and those 2 extra hours make or break the cruise for you...DON'T BOOK IT!

 

This is about 2 adults missing a pre-designed hard curfew/time to leave that 5000+ other people/crew members made. The end.

 

I know it's not directed at me but the beauty of cc is the ability to discuss and analyze what is going on

 

Forget about the 3 pax as that is old news

 

What is interesting to me was the poster who reminded us that Bermuda is actually losing 8000 pax hours of spending and ncl is gaining

Them back

 

Bermuda might actually reduce their port charges in order to entice ncl to stay longer

 

But it's doubtful ncl cares about making their pax happy by staying longer

 

My take is Bermuda is not too happy about ncl leaving 2 hours earlier

 

I can just imagine the cat and mouse negotiations that go on in all ports between cruise lines and ports regarding docking fees and times

 

Of course thats just my humble business educated opinion

Plus lifelong logical thought too. Lol

 

 

Also that Andy Stuart behind the scenes interview on cnbc was very informative

 

Ncl knows exactly how much they need to make each and every shipboard hour in order for that particular cruise to be profitable

 

The 3pm new departure time mid season is an obvious testament to the fact these overpriced Bermuda runs are in some sort of financial quagmire and needed to start increasing per cruise profit

 

Again just mho

 

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Edited August 25, 2015 by luvtheships

[maywell]

I know it's not directed at me but the beauty of cc is the ability to discuss and analyze what is going on

 

Forget about the 3 pax as that is old news

 

What is interesting to me was the poster who reminded us that Bermuda is actually losing 8000 pax hours of spending and ncl is gaining

Them back

 

Bermuda might actually reduce their port charges in order to entice ncl to stay longer

 

But it's doubtful ncl cares about making their pax happy by staying longer

 

My take is Bermuda is not too happy about ncl leaving 2 hours earlier

 

I can just imagine the cat and mouse negotiations that go on in all ports between cruise lines and ports regarding docking fees and times

 

Of course thats just my humble business educated opinion

Plus lifelong logical thought too. Lol

 

 

Also that Andy Stuart behind the scenes interview on cnbc was very informative

 

Ncl knows exactly how much they need to make each and every shipboard hour in order for that particular cruise to be profitable

 

The 3pm new departure time mid season is an obvious testament to the fact these overpriced Bermuda runs are in some sort of financial quagmire and needed to start increasing per cruise profit

 

Again just mho

 

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The taxes and fees in the fare passed along to the passengers, says otherwise....That's on top of bus shuttles, meals, tickets, souvenirs, etc...

 

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[Letsgo 2]

fact is that the girls are of age and mom got of to get them and they all missed the ship......nobody fault but their own......it is listed on the daily's what time to be back......even if it is not make it a point to find out........if a ship leaves late it cost them $$$$$ to make up the time. They are running a business and are not babysitters for grown adults........people who are late coming back to the ship have total disregard for other passengers who are waiting for them to get back on board who somehow got the memo of what time to be back.

We told our adult kids in Nassau if you are not back at XX time too bad we are not looking for nor will the Captain wait for you. They knew we were serious !

NCL has no blame in this at all......if you miss a Ship Plane Train Bus etc the only one to blame is YOU !!! no bleeding heart here !!

Marion

[bda73]

The ship hands the passports over to the port agent before departing.

 

how exactly did they do that? In the 6 cruises Ive been on I have never handed over my passport, we keep them in the safe and carry copies of the particulars when we go off shore.

[Charles4515]

how exactly did they do that? In the 6 cruises Ive been on I have never handed over my passport, we keep them in the safe and carry copies of the particulars when we go off shore.

 

 

That is a good place to keep your passports because that is where they get them. They go in your safe if you miss the ship and look for them there.

 

Having the copies is a good idea though because if they don't get you your passport the copies will facilitate getting a replacement at an Embassy or Consulate.

 

 

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Edited August 25, 2015 by Charles4515

[Crusin6]

I know it's not directed at me but the beauty of cc is the ability to discuss and analyze what is going on

 

Forget about the 3 pax as that is old news

 

What is interesting to me was the poster who reminded us that Bermuda is actually losing 8000 pax hours of spending and ncl is gaining

Them back

 

Bermuda might actually reduce their port charges in order to entice ncl to stay longer

 

But it's doubtful ncl cares about making their pax happy by staying longer

 

My take is Bermuda is not too happy about ncl leaving 2 hours earlier

 

I can just imagine the cat and mouse negotiations that go on in all ports between cruise lines and ports regarding docking fees and times

 

Of course thats just my humble business educated opinion

Plus lifelong logical thought too. Lol

 

 

Also that Andy Stuart behind the scenes interview on cnbc was very informative

 

Ncl knows exactly how much they need to make each and every shipboard hour in order for that particular cruise to be profitable

 

The 3pm new departure time mid season is an obvious testament to the fact these overpriced Bermuda runs are in some sort of financial quagmire and needed to start increasing per cruise profit

 

Again just mho

 

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Stop now.... There is no place on this forum for for simple business 101

 

 

You are right though lol

 

 

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[Grampyshottub]

According to a Documentary on Smithsonian about the NCL Epic, they had a similar situation in Conzumel. A family was late in getting back on board. The Capitan waited about 20 minutes just as they made the ship. They were about to sail without them. According to the documentary, it would cost $25,000 in fuel cost just to make up the time to get to their next port. Why should any ship be late because adults can't tell time, and cut into 4000 others vacation.:D

[ma_t_gus]

I was on the Sky last week in Nassua and we were next to the Gem. Our ship already closed the doors, while Gem was still open for boarding. Then I hear 4 names being called from the intercom on the Gem and I knew that the fun was about to start. The 4 passengers were 30mins late and got the sarcastic claps and cheers from alot of people when they rolled in on a cart, I would have loved to see them running instead !!!

Edited August 25, 2015 by ma_t_gus

[SuiteCruiser]

According to a Documentary on Smithsonian about the NCL Epic, they had a similar situation in Conzumel. A family was late in getting back on board. The Capitan waited about 20 minutes just as they made the ship. They were about to sail without them. According to the documentary, it would cost $25,000 in fuel cost just to make up the time to get to their next port. Why should any ship be late because adults can't tell time, and cut into 4000 others vacation.:D

 

NCL had just taken the 2 hours away in order slow the trip down and save on fuel costs, so an extra 10 minutes would not have been a big deal.

 

I'm not blaming NCL, but since they were 50 yards away, waiting the extra 10 minutes would have been a nice thing to do. It's a totally different thing than them being off somewhere that no one knows where they were and just waiting.

 

I've been on 23 NCL cruises and I think a few left on time, there are always things that hold them up for one reason or another.

Edited August 25, 2015 by SuiteCruiser

[PoppyandNana]

That is a good place to keep your passports because that is where they get them. They go in your safe if you miss the ship and look for them there.

 

Having the copies is a good idea though because if they don't get you your passport the copies will facilitate getting a replacement at an Embassy or Consulate.

 

 

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Has this personally happened to you or a supposition? There has not been one single post, to my knowledge, from a person who has first hand knowledge of a ship's officer entering ones cabin, removing passport and giving it to a port agent who in turn delivered it to a passenger who missed the sailing.

 

Until then all these comments about port agents, safes being open are myths, rumors and hearsay.

[NLH Arizona]

 

NCL had just taken the 2 hours away in order slow the trip down and save on fuel costs, so an extra 10 minutes would not have been a big deal.

 

I'm not blaming NCL, but since they were 50 yards away, waiting the extra 10 minutes would have been a nice thing to do. It's a totally different thing than them being off somewhere that no one knows where they were and just waiting.

 

I've been on 23 NCL cruises and I think a few left on time, there are always things that hold them up for one reason or another.

You are assuming that NCL and/or the mother knew that they were 50 yards away, we don't know if either knew where the young ladies were or how long it would take to find them. It could have been 5 minutes, 10 minutes or 2 hours for the mother and children to return. Should NCL have just sat there and waited for their return, no matter how long it took. The girls were adults and since it has been reported that there were signs alerting passengers what time to get back on (Originally Posted by KweezyCruiser View Post Who said? There was the usual electronic sign with the red letters.), it was in the dailies and, if it is like any cruise I've been on, it was also announced a number of times, there is no excuse for being late.

 

Should NCL now make it a precedent that they wait for all late customers? I'm not sure why NCL should have accommodated these two young ladies and not accommodate all passengers who are late.

Edited August 25, 2015 by NLH Arizona

[Charles4515]

Has this personally happened to you or a supposition? There has not been one single post, to my knowledge, from a person who has first hand knowledge of a ship's officer entering ones cabin, removing passport and giving it to a port agent who in turn delivered it to a passenger who missed the sailing.

 

Until then all these comments about port agents, safes being open are myths, rumors and hearsay.

 

I read it on Cruise Critic so it must be true!

 

I have read passengers saying it happened to them. And some crew members have said they do that. Since multiple people reported it and multiple crew members said they do it I believe it. But that said, I always take a copy of my passport with me as recommended by the State Department. I am not going to count on them handing the port agent my passport and none should. I don't expect to ever miss the ship because I always leave plenty of time but S## happens. With the copy if you miss the ship it's still going to be a hassle but with the copy it will be less of a hassle for an Embassy or Consulate to help you.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Charles4515

[cruise_alot123]

There's nothing wrong for spending few days extra in Bermuda. You can easily swim from Bermuda to NY if you are in good shape. I think the people who were left behind just wanted to spend more time in Bermuda so is a no big deal :D.

Edited August 25, 2015 by cruise_alot123

[russianmom]

Has this personally happened to you or a supposition? There has not been one single post, to my knowledge, from a person who has first hand knowledge of a ship's officer entering ones cabin, removing passport and giving it to a port agent who in turn delivered it to a passenger who missed the sailing.

 

Until then all these comments about port agents, safes being open are myths, rumors and hearsay.

 

Here you go:

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=44558552&postcount=518

[Jane Don]

I read it on Cruise Critic so it must be true!

 

I have read passengers saying it happened to them. And some crew members have said they do that. Since multiple people reported it and multiple crew members said they do it I believe it. But that said, I always take a copy of my passport with me as recommended by the State Department. I am not going to count on them handing the port agent my passport and none should. I don't expect to ever miss the ship because I always leave plenty of time but S## happens. With the copy if you miss the ship it's still going to be a hassle but with the copy it will be less of a hassle for an Embassy or Consulate to help you.

 

 

I have never heard direct from the horse's mouth this it what happens. I am more inclined to believe that they would never remove your passport from the ship in case they are wrong and you are really on board.

 

Anybody who travels in a foreign land and does not keep their passport on their person deserves to suffer the consequences. Even if you have a copy, you will have to get a new passport issued and it takes at least overnight. There is no passport processing at embassies on weekends or holidays.

 

I keep my real passport on my person, leave copies in the safe and a copy with a family member at home.

[Guest phd1003]

Because they could have waited 4 minutes. They could have allowed the mother to retrieve her progeny and then sailed with zero harm done. They arrived in NY at 2 am and sat and waited. It wouldn't have inconvenienced anyone to wait and allow them to board.

 

I get they were late and shouldn't have been. I am not blaming NCL. But they could have waited. I get what Biker is saying. This was punitive to make an example.

 

Here was the 5 day tropical outlook posted at 2pm on Friday Aug 21, 2015 at 2pm...60% chance of Tropical Development in their Path back to New York, So let's put 4000 lives in danger to wait for a few Peeps who like to party...This was also the reason the waters were to choppy for the tug...

 

 

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/xgtwo/gtwo_archive.php?current_issuance=201508212043&basin=atl&fdays=5

[maywell]

One deserves to suffer the consequences for not having their passport on their person, but no consequences if one is late (even though there was proper notification what time to be back onboard the ship), as the ship should wait for them.

4000 people should not be inconvenienced or their trip derailed by 2 people who can't tell time - EVER. Its a clear cut case of 'needs/want of the many outweigh the few'.

 

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[NLH Arizona]

I never said the ship should have waited for them. I said they could have and not inconvenienced anybody.

 

You said: Because they could have waited 4 minutes. They could have allowed the mother to retrieve her progeny and then sailed with zero harm done. They arrived in NY at 2 am and sat and waited. It wouldn't have inconvenienced anyone to wait and allow them to board.

 

How do you know that it wouldn't have inconvenienced anyone. Do you know if it would have cost NCL to stay in port longer, was a pilot involved and on the ship ready to work, etc. It might not have inconvenienced the passengers, but what about NCL or the port authorities, do you know they would not be inconvenienced? Did NCL or the mother know that it would only be a few minutes? Did the mother and/or NCL know where they were? If so, why didn't the mother leave earlier to retrieve her children? There are sure a lot of ifs that we don't know the answers to, I'm guessing maybe NCL and the port authorities knew more than what everyone is speculating and that is why NCL didn't wait.

 

I just don't understand why some think that NCL should have waited for these young ladies, who were responsible for getting back to the ship on time, along with the other 4,000 that were able to get back, and choose no to be back at that time for whatever reason.

Edited August 25, 2015 by NLH Arizona

[Charles4515]

I have never heard direct from the horse's mouth this it what happens. I am more inclined to believe that they would never remove your passport from the ship in case they are wrong and you are really on board.

 

Anybody who travels in a foreign land and does not keep their passport on their person deserves to suffer the consequences. Even if you have a copy, you will have to get a new passport issued and it takes at least overnight. There is no passport processing at embassies on weekends or holidays.

 

I keep my real passport on my person, leave copies in the safe and a copy with a family member at home.

 

That is another discussion but you are more likely to lose your passport or have it stolen than miss the ship. I never take my passport ashore unless required. That is what is recomended by the State Department and most travel experts. Leave the passport in the safe and carry a copy.