igraf Posted February 28, 2016 #26 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) That is true, but there often is a recognized proper pronunciation such as the Queen's English or High German. I just asked my Dutch mother who grew up in Amsterdam, and she pronounces Zuiderdam as "sow der dahm" (not "damn"). "Zuid" means south and sounds a lot like the English south. The letter "v" is soft and sounds a lot like the English "f", like the way the German "vater" is similar to the English "father". igraf ... the Dutch have accents and even dialects depending on what part of the country they're from so you might get a different pronounciation from someone from the province of Friesland (the far north), Amsterdam in the province of Noord Holland in the west and/or the southern provinces of Brabant and Limburg. Even the inhabitants of the three big cities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Den Haag (the Hague) have their own accents. Prinsendam "Princen-dam" as in "Prince" Statendam "St-ah-ten-dam" as in "say Aah" Maasdam "Maahs-dam" as in "say Ahh" Ryndam "Rhine-dam" Veendam "Veyn-dam" as in "hey" Rotterdam "Rott-ehr-dam" as in Rotweiler Amsterdam "Ahm-ster-dam" Volendam "Vohl-en-dam" as in "Foal" Zaandam "Zahn-dam" as in "say Aah" Zuiderdam "Zey-der-dam" Oosterdam "Oasterdam" as in Toast but drop the "T" Westerdam "West-ehr-dam" Noordam "Nor-dam" as in More Unquote Edited February 28, 2016 by igraf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimknyzer Posted February 28, 2016 Author #27 Share Posted February 28, 2016 watch this short video: https://vid.me/emGf. Works for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnekeH Posted February 29, 2016 #28 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Sounds more like zowderdahm to me, with the ow almost like the ou in out (and not the Canadian out). My guess is that very few non-natives will ever be able to pronounce it correctly. come on now...enough is enough...there is NO Canadian out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quo Vadis? Posted February 29, 2016 #29 Share Posted February 29, 2016 One of my Grandmothers was Dutch, I'd say close but it needs a w thrown in z-why-der-dam Skip the "w".. But you gotta be Dutch to nail the pronunciation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mllewis48 Posted February 29, 2016 #30 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Potato Pataato, a famous Presidential candidate once said, "at this point what difference does it make"? As long as you are on the "damn" boat! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happily@Sea Posted February 29, 2016 #31 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Is there going to be that 'hard G' in Koningsdam? I know that Gouda [city] is actually pronounced something close to 'How-da', but it is more like a 'g-h' combination that only the Dutch can actually enunciate from the back of their throats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igraf Posted February 29, 2016 #32 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) As they say, Google is your friend: http://forvo.com/word/koning/ (click on the blue triangles over on the left to hear the pronunciations) The Dutch "ing" has perhaps a little bit stronger "g" than in the English "ing" sound, but it is not the infamous Dutch throaty "g" which is typical at the beginning of a word. igraf Is there going to be that 'hard G' in Koningsdam? I know that Gouda [city] is actually pronounced something close to 'How-da', but it is more like a 'g-h' combination that only the Dutch can actually enunciate from the back of their throats. Edited February 29, 2016 by igraf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtl513 Posted February 29, 2016 #33 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Is there going to be that 'hard G' in Koningsdam? Watch the video clip cited in post #9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgesGal Posted February 29, 2016 #34 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Seems to me Copper 10-8 had a tutorial on the pronunciations some time ago. Are you out there Copper? Got it!! See sticky Introduction to ships and classes of HAL fleet, scroll to post #13 and you will find Copper's primer on the pronunciations! For the record, it's Zeyderdam. Edited February 29, 2016 by George'sGal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnekeH Posted March 1, 2016 #35 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It sounds to me like "owt" or "owoot" ... some even say "oot and aboot" ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted March 1, 2016 #36 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Are you out there Copper? He is in Indonesia on the Amsterdam's World Cruise. He usually doesn't post on CC while he is working on a dam ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtl513 Posted March 1, 2016 #37 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) ridiculous I think it's the Scottish that are more likely to say oot and aboot, and the Canadian way is more like oat and a-boat. Canada is a big country and I'm sure there's a lot of variation. Go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_English and in the section titled Canadian Raising (about 1/4 way down the page) click on the three places where it says "listen" to hear the American out and the Canadian owt and oat. Edited March 1, 2016 by jtl513 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazedByCruising Posted March 1, 2016 #38 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Is there going to be that 'hard G' in Koningsdam? I know that Gouda [city] is actually pronounced something close to 'How-da', but it is more like a 'g-h' combination that only the Dutch can actually enunciate from the back of their throats. No need for the back of your throat in Koningsdam, it's just the G that turns an N into NG as in "King". (actually, Koning means King so Koningsdam="King's dam". Just a fun name I guess) How-da is perfect except for the H which is pronounced "GGRRGGHHHHHG". :) That G is not typical Dutch though, as it is exactly the same as the J in Spanish Juan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSzbu1kjnAI. So if you're comfortable with Spanish, Gouda is pronounced Spanish J-ow-da. If you're not native Dutch, the UI in Zuiderdam is too hard I guess. Like I'll never be able to pronounce TH in "South" correctly. I hear SouS, SouF or SouT. You need to be at most 5 years old to learn SouTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnekeH Posted March 1, 2016 #39 Share Posted March 1, 2016 No need for the back of your throat in Koningsdam, it's just the G that turns an N into NG as in "King". (actually, Koning means King so Koningsdam="King's dam". Just a fun name I guess) How-da is perfect except for the H which is pronounced "GGRRGGHHHHHG". :) That G is not typical Dutch though, as it is exactly the same as the J in Spanish Juan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSzbu1kjnAI. So if you're comfortable with Spanish, Gouda is pronounced Spanish J-ow-da. If you're not native Dutch, the UI in Zuiderdam is too hard I guess. Like I'll never be able to pronounce TH in "South" correctly. I hear SouS, SouF or SouT. You need to be at most 5 years old to learn SouTH. Howda is not even close to perfect, and neither is Jowda. Not even close. Only someone Dutch born and taught Dutch from birth can prononounce Gouda correctly. Same with Zuiderdam. And people are right...it is pronounced "dahm" The Dutch pronounce "th" as t....and it is tis and tat and sout and nort....the "th" sound is very difficult for Dutch born speakers to master. It is true that the younger you are the easier it is to learn another language, and to lose your accent. I was 15 when I first started to speak English. I have lost my accent completely. My older brother never did, he was 16. I now speak Canadian English, but I have NEVER heard anyone here say "oot" and "aboot"..........true, I haven't met ALL Canadians.......maybe he, or she, is out there somewhere! Tanks for listening.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazedByCruising Posted March 1, 2016 #40 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Howda is not even close to perfect, and neither is Jowda. Not even close. Only someone Dutch born and taught Dutch from birth can prononounce Gouda correctly. Same with Zuiderdam. And people are right...it is pronounced "dahm"The Dutch pronounce "th" as t....and it is tis and tat and sout and nort....the "th" sound is very difficult for Dutch born speakers to master. It is true that the younger you are the easier it is to learn another language, and to lose your accent. I was 15 when I first started to speak English. I have lost my accent completely. My older brother never did, he was 16. I now speak Canadian English, but I have NEVER heard anyone here say "oot" and "aboot"..........true, I haven't met ALL Canadians.......maybe he, or she, is out there somewhere! Tanks for listening.... I'd think J-ow-dah is pretty good (provided the Spanish J) and my former (English) girlfriend would pronounce it perfectly. But she couldn't even hear the difference between schuur, deur and zuid. At least one Dutch person says Sink for THink ( ), which is more common than Tink, I fink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtl513 Posted March 1, 2016 #41 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I now speak Canadian English, but I have NEVER heard anyone here say "oot" and "aboot"..........true, I haven't met ALL Canadians.......maybe he, or she, is out there somewhere! Possibly in Nova Scotia? Where are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgesGal Posted March 1, 2016 #42 Share Posted March 1, 2016 He is in Indonesia on the Amsterdam's World Cruise. He usually doesn't post on CC while he is working on a dam ship. Hi, Peter! I knew he is working right now, but thought perhaps he might be off duty. In any event, I did a search and came up with what I needed! ;) Donna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_r_a Posted March 1, 2016 #43 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Whogo says, >Sounds more like zowderdahm to me Which is how I was taught to pronounce it. see http://www.pronunciationguide.info/Dutch.html ira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnekeH Posted March 1, 2016 #44 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'd think J-ow-dah is pretty good (provided the Spanish J) and my former (English) girlfriend would pronounce it perfectly. But she couldn't even hear the difference between schuur, deur and zuid. At least one Dutch person says Sink for THink ( ), which is more common than Tink, I fink. tes, I sink you may be right...and sought for thought...but definitely tis and tad for this and that. I like your references to schuur, deur and zuid...all different pronunciations, but so close! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serendipity1499 Posted March 1, 2016 #45 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Seems to me Copper 10-8 had a tutorial on the pronunciations some time ago. Are you out there Copper? Got it!! See sticky Introduction to ships and classes of HAL fleet' date=' scroll to post #13 and you will find Copper's primer on the pronunciations! For the record, it's Zeyderdam.[/quote'] ummm..:confused:Looks like you have not read the other posts in this thread? My post No. 23 quotes Copper 10-8 tutorial & Host Walt's post on the pronunciations...:D;) However as mentioned by Copper, you will get different pronunciations depending on where you are from in both Holland & Belgium.. Edited March 1, 2016 by serendipity1499 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnekeH Posted June 17, 2016 #46 Share Posted June 17, 2016 no way!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clivep Posted June 17, 2016 #47 Share Posted June 17, 2016 We've just returned from the Zuiderdam. I'd read beforehand that it was pronounced Zeyderdam but none of the crew seem to have been told this as the captain and others were pronouncing it Z"EYE"derdam. It souded a bit like the "Zoi" part of Zoidberg from Futurama. Also rather like the locals in Somerset pronounce Cider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotjeknor Posted June 17, 2016 #48 Share Posted June 17, 2016 So easy, ask any 4 year old Dutch kid ;-) On the TA in april/may 16 the Captain, van Hoogdalem, emphasized the name every time in his one o' clock talks : De ZUUUIIIIDERDAM ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazedByCruising Posted June 17, 2016 #49 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I found a very exciting video on the UI sound! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted June 17, 2016 #50 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I found a very exciting video on the UI sound! :) Yep; that's the one! Bedankt :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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