Raxter54 Posted May 15, 2016 #276 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Maybe because there are so, so many of them? Example: Cunard has 3 ships, Carnival has how many? Anyone, anyone? :cool: Oooh, oooh, me, me! Is the answer 25, Mr. Betti? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 15, 2016 #277 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Beuller? Beuller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubetti Posted May 15, 2016 #278 Share Posted May 15, 2016 LOL! 25 is correct! Chief, I caught your answer too! :D You both get an "A". Now, we move on to the probability and statistics class, which some others here DEFINTELY need! :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted May 15, 2016 #279 Share Posted May 15, 2016 At least Carnival hasn't killed anyone yet in their crashes, which is more than can be said for the Staten Island Ferry and OMG, Turbo Jet in Hong Kong that seems to have at least one spectacular crash every year in HK harbor while they scream through at 45 knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Reid Posted May 15, 2016 #280 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) I just saw a bird fly into my sliding glass door! The best thing about the Carnival board is that so often, no matter what the original topic is, the responses eventually go into the same indistinguishable direction - an argument over whose is bigger. Ever see Monty Python's Argument sketch? Edited May 15, 2016 by natty bumppo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy cruzin Posted May 15, 2016 #281 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Beuller? Beuller? Ok...that made me laugh! [emoji4] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtalum Posted May 15, 2016 #282 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I'm just wondering if we are talking weeks or months to find out what happened and who's at fault. As was said earlier, if will be even longer once the lawyers get involved..... It probably won't be made public, but I doubt it will take long to ascertain responsibility. In fact I suspect Carnival or its insurance carrier has already agreed to pay for the damages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 15, 2016 #283 Share Posted May 15, 2016 It probably won't be made public, but I doubt it will take long to ascertain responsibility. In fact I suspect Carnival or its insurance carrier has already agreed to pay for the damages. You have a pretty optimistic view of the legal profession. My feeling is that until the USCG investigation is complete, Carnival's legal department would deny any responsibility as a matter of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dore Posted May 15, 2016 #284 Share Posted May 15, 2016 In fact I suspect Carnival or its insurance carrier has already agreed to pay for the damages. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I'd use more if I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted May 15, 2016 #285 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) If Carnival's reaction to the Triumph breaking loose in a storm is any indication of what might happen here, I would expect them to fire off a barrage of lawsuits against the port of Baltimore, the owners of the vehicles that were destroyed, the manufacturer of the gangway, the operator of the gangway and Fincantieri. Edited May 15, 2016 by Thorncroft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted May 15, 2016 #286 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I'd use more if I could. I must have missed something. Why all the rolled eyes? :confused: If fault falls on the Pride, which it appears it does, what's wrong with gtalum saying Carnival will pay for the damages? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dore Posted May 15, 2016 #287 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) I must have missed something. Why all the rolled eyes? :confused: If fault falls on the Pride, which it appears it does, what's wrong with gtalum saying Carnival will pay for the damages? :confused: I'm sorry, I must have missed the one non-speculative post in this thread not from a arm-chair Monday Morning cruise ship captain that it was found it was the cruise ship fault. Edited May 15, 2016 by Steve Dore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted May 15, 2016 #288 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I'm sorry, I must have missed the one non-speculative post in this thread not from a arm-chair Monday Morning cruise ship captain that it was found it was the cruise ship fault. You did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 15, 2016 #289 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I'm sorry, I must have missed the one non-speculative post in this thread not from a arm-chair Monday Morning cruise ship captain that it was found it was the cruise ship fault. I'm too lazy to look back, but I believe that Paul (Aquahound), who is a USCG investigator, and myself (40 year US merchant ships' officer) have both stated that responsibility for any allision (moving vessel striking a non-moving vessel or stationary object) rests with the moving vessel. However, as I've also said, the relative amounts of fault will need to be determined by the USCG incident investigation. And it is gtalum's personal observation that he feels Carnival will already be settling, but I have answered his observation with my own personal observation to the contrary, without sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dore Posted May 15, 2016 #290 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I know this is outside the Cruise Critic norm, but I will just wait for any official reports. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted May 15, 2016 #291 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I'm sorry, I must have missed the one non-speculative post in this thread not from a arm-chair Monday Morning cruise ship captain that it was found it was the cruise ship fault. I would explain in detail how a ship's mooring platform striking a stationary object on land can be of no else's responsibly than the master of the moving ship but somehow, I don't think it will matter to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dore Posted May 15, 2016 #292 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I would explain in detail how a ship's mooring platform striking a stationary object on land can be of no else's responsibly than the master of the moving ship but somehow, I don't think it will matter to you. See, I missed the part where it was confirmed that the stationary object was actually stationary at the time it was struck. Miust of missed that post in a thread full of absolute pure ******g speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted May 15, 2016 #293 Share Posted May 15, 2016 See, I missed the part where it was confirmed that the stationary object was actually stationary at the time it was struck. Miust of missed that post in a thread full of absolute pure ******g speculation. Something I borrowed from another thread that fits perfectly right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 15, 2016 #294 Share Posted May 15, 2016 See, I missed the part where it was confirmed that the stationary object was actually stationary at the time it was struck. Miust of missed that post in a thread full of absolute pure ******g speculation. The fact that the ramp is fixed at one end, and doesn't move like a vehicle, in maritime parlance, makes it a "stationary object". And I would say that you're tangling with the wrong person when it comes to maritime investigation, but that apparently wouldn't affect you either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dore Posted May 15, 2016 #295 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Someone suggested earlier in this thread that the ramp was possibly moving toward the ship as it was attempting to dock. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's true or not, just what I am basing my thoughts on. I wasn't aware we had information confirmed beyond what the armchair cruise captains here speculated (not referenced to you aqua and chengph). You have to admit there was was a lot of speculation in the beginning as to what happened and how. I'm not trying to purposely argue with people that have previous/current employment in this area. I'm moving on. Take care. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capswin Posted May 15, 2016 #296 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Hope for and update from passengers on Embarkment and Disembarkment process without Gangway. Any Delays, Issues? Leaving on the Pride in 3 weeks. Things ran smoothly today. Disembark was a little slower but ship was ready to leave at 1630 as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted May 15, 2016 #297 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Things ran smoothly today. Disembark was a little slower but ship was ready to leave at 1630 as usual. Thanks for all the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy cruzin Posted May 16, 2016 #298 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Things ran smoothly today. Disembark was a little slower but ship was ready to leave at 1630 as usual. Thanks! How and where do guest enter and exit now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capswin Posted May 16, 2016 #299 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Thanks! How and where do guest enter and exit now?? Deck 1 (?). Pier level forward. Where the crew boards usually. Might get a little wet if it's raining but probably easier since you don't have to walk up all of the ramps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy cruzin Posted May 16, 2016 #300 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Deck 1 (?). Pier level forward. Where the crew boards usually. Might get a little wet if it's raining but probably easier since you don't have to walk up all of the ramps. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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