Treatment of Smokers on QM2 is shameful!

[Host Hattie]

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Edited January 10, 2017 by Host Hattie

[Tothesunset]

There certainly were smokers on Deck 7 aft in December.

 

Not a good sight for those of us enjoying breakfast and lunch in the Queens Grill: a constant parade of psssengers in a haze of cigarette smoke.

That's impressive considering the smoking area is aft deck 7 where you would expect any smoke to be dissipated posteriorly rather than flow forward against the prevailing wind. Although I believe the laws of physics don't apply to hyperbole.

[Teddy123]

That's impressive considering the smoking area is aft deck 7 where you would expect any smoke to be dissipated posteriorly rather than flow forward against the prevailing wind. Although I believe the laws of physics don't apply to hyperbole.

Smokers quite naturally congregate right up against the Grills restaurants windows/walls for shelter, rather than on the open deck, so the smoke tends to linger - as the laws of physics require.

[Solent Richard]

Is “haze” the new collective noun for cigarette smokers? Is there a minimum number of persons required and defined wind conditions before observer vision is obscured? Otherwise it would probably just be a few passsengers occupying a designated smoking area, probably having a pleasant conversation with each other, before returning to the ca 99.9% of the non-smoking areas of the ship.

 

I'd have thought 'a plume' a more appropriate collective noun if I was aiming to be smoker friendly.

[Solent Richard]

That's impressive considering the smoking area is aft deck 7 where you would expect any smoke to be dissipated posteriorly rather than flow forward against the prevailing wind. Although I believe the laws of physics don't apply to hyperbole.

 

One suspects you have ignored the laws of 'vortex' that apply to the curtain bulkheads shielding both 7 and 8 decks and the tunnel effect of the 7 Deck passage running parallel with both Grills.

 

Irrespective of which the ambiance of both Grills are definitely diluted by the presence of smoking packs.

[Chunky2219]

The suggestion is to force smokers into a 'smokers only' elevator and ban them from using any other elevator because they smell bad. What a world.

My apologies. I should have used the "sarcastic" smiley. I normally avoid it because it's a bit too confrontational. What I really needed was a "tongue-in-cheek" smiley.

 

But come to think of it, you've given me a great idea. I've already begun work on a device to identify smokey clothing at 30 paces and highlight the people to keep away from. If dogs can spot tobacco inside a suitcase I'm sure I can develop an electronic nose to do a less challenging task. I'm planning to combine it with some virtual reality glasses so that the people to give a wide berth show up with a giant, illuminated arrow above their heads, Loony Tunes style. In fact, using the VR goggles we could probably even replace the visibility of smokers outside QG with some oversized, humorous cartoon animals. Watch out for it on Dragons' Den. It'll make a fortune. :rolleyes:

 

 

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Edited January 10, 2017 by Chunky2219
forgot the smiley!

[brigittetom]

It's lovely. People started protesting having to be in lounges where smoking was allowed. One by one the lounges became smoke free. Then the casino because they couldn't gamble with smokers. And then the last.... G32.

 

Now we've come full circle. It's no longer about second hand smoke....it's about being offended that smokers have the audacity to smoke outside, in a designated smoking area....AND they can be seen through the windows. How absolutely ludicrous that non smokers only get to have 99.9% of the ship as smoke free. The inhumanity is appalling.

[Tothesunset]

The tyranny of the minority by the majority.

[I Am The Average American]

I like to smoke on the ships because its a good way to meat other people.

[Cats2010]

The tyranny of the minority by the majority.

 

Exactly.

[Teddy123]

The people being discriminated against are non-smokers who are, in effect, permanently prevented from using some public areas of the ship unless they are prepared to endure the ill-effects of other people's smoke. In contrast, smokers can use all public areas just as long as they aren't smoking at the time.

 

As has been pointed out, Cunard will do what makes it most money. It is unlikely it will start going against the clear wishes of the majority of its customers and the smoke-free tide of society in general, so it seems the best bet for those who don't like the current arrangements is to try to persaude Cunard to allow cigarette smoking in Churchill's, or use a different line (and I note some posters here already seem hardly ever to use Cunard anyway).

[paulista1950]

This issue is much simpler than it appears.

The question is if second hand smoking is harmful or not.

If it is, like it appers to be, there must be restrictions, end of story.

[Host Hattie]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we return to the "good old days" when smoking was allowed everywhere. The OP was making the point that Cunard's current arrangements for cigarette smokers on QM2 are poor. I think they have a point and for those people who need a comfortable area for smoking Cunard currently isn't a good fit.

[paulista1950]

"those people who need a comfortable area for smoking Cunard currently isn't a good fit." My reply was for the tyranny "discussion", I wouldn't have a problem with a type o Churchill for cigarettes smokers, but it's would remain the problem with waiters and cleaning.

[fantasy51]

Hopefully shipbuilders in future will address this issue and will provide both inside and outside areas for smokers that don't affect others, and are in a location accessible to people from either end of the ship.

 

I like the location of Churchill's because even though the corridor outside is really smelly, I can reach the Commodore Club by going along the corridor on the other side. That's the type of location we need.

[balf]

"those people who need a comfortable area for smoking Cunard currently isn't a good fit." My reply was for the tyranny "discussion", I wouldn't have a problem with a type o Churchill for cigarettes smokers, but it's would remain the problem with waiters and cleaning.

 

Don't they have the same problem in Churchills.

 

David

[Cats2010]

The people being discriminated against are non-smokers who are, in effect, permanently prevented from using some public areas of the ship unless they are prepared to endure the ill-effects of other people's smoke. In contrast, smokers can use all public areas just as long as they aren't smoking at the time.

 

As has been pointed out, Cunard will do what makes it most money. It is unlikely it will start going against the clear wishes of the majority of its customers and the smoke-free tide of society in general, so it seems the best bet for those who don't like the current arrangements is to try to persaude Cunard to allow cigarette smoking in Churchill's, or use a different line (and I note some posters here already seem hardly ever to use Cunard anyway).

 

 

What do you mean by "some public areas of the ship?" At present the only place available for smokers is the aft of deck 7 from where most of the fume is gone with the wind very quickly anyway.

 

Where do you know from that it's a majority of passengers that are against smoking? Do you have figures? It might be a majority on this forum, but that's it.

 

It is sarcastic to say that smokers can use all public areas as long as they don't smoke!

 

Finally, your only good point is that Cunard might allow smokers to use Churchill's since it means additional profit for them by selling cigarettes. You are free to go ahead and persuade the Cunard/Carnival management accordingly.

Edited January 11, 2017 by Cats2010

[Cats2010]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we return to the "good old days" when smoking was allowed everywhere. The OP was making the point that Cunard's current arrangements for cigarette smokers on QM2 are poor. I think they have a point and for those people who need a comfortable area for smoking Cunard currently isn't a good fit.

 

 

Thank you, Host Hattie, for your comments, I was waiting for them.

I am glad that the Cunard passengers I have met so far were tolerant, far-sighted and well educated people.

 

Cats2010

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[Teddy123]

What do you mean by "some public areas of the ship?" At present the only place available for smokers is the aft of deck 7 from where most of the fume is gone with the wind very quickly anyway.

 

Where do you know from that it's a majority of passengers that are against smoking? Do you have figures? It might be a majority on this forum, but that's it.

 

It is sarcastic to say that smokers can use all public areas as long as they don't smoke!

 

Finally, your only good point is that Cunard might allow smokers to use Churchill's since it means additional profit for them by selling cigarettes. You are free to go ahead and persuade the Cunard/Carnival management accordingly.

Smokers also make Churchill's a no-go area. Cunard has based its position on customer feedback. Of course smokers can go anywhere, unless they are so addicted they have to smoke every waking minute. Since it's smokers who want a change, it's up to them to lobby for it.

[durante]

If you are walking around the back of Deck 7, the whole area actually stinks when smokers are puffing away. It's really horrible to smell, makes me feel sick, and I am so surprised to see anyone backing the OPs opinion that smokers are treated badly on qM2. They have a really nice designated area there, with chairs, not to mention the ones that use the back of Deck 8 right outside the Verandah restaurant. Both those areas are ruined for non smokers.

Someone said the fume is gone with the wind quickly, sorry but this is wrong . I am sure smokers would love to think they aren't causing any distress to fellow cruisers, but they have no idea that it does.

Edited January 11, 2017 by durante

[Cats2010]

Smokers also make Churchill's a no-go area. Cunard has based its position on customer feedback. Of course smokers can go anywhere, unless they are so addicted they have to smoke every waking minute. Since it's smokers who want a change, it's up to them to lobby for it.

 

Customer feedback or not, it's insufficient, and this on Cunard's big ships. Point à la ligne.

[Cats2010]

If you are walking around the back of Deck 7, the whole area actually stinks when smokers are puffing away. It's really horrible to smell, makes me feel sick, and I am so surprised to see anyone backing the OPs opinion that smokers are treated badly on qM2. They have a really nice designated area there, with chairs, not to mention the ones that use the back of Deck 8 right outside the Verandah restaurant. Both those areas are ruined for non smokers.

Someone said the fume is gone with the wind quickly, sorry but this is wrong . I am sure smokers would love to think they aren't causing any distress to fellow cruisers, but they have no idea that it does.

 

It seems that you did not read the OP's comment.

[durante]

Sorry, which part of the OPs comment didnt I read?

[paulista1950]

Don't they have the same problem in Churchills.

 

David

 

and don't know how they handle it.

[babs135]

Whether we like it or not there are people who want to smoke and whilst I for one cannot understand why anyone would want to do so, we have to find a way to accommodate both sets of cruisers. I'm just off the NCL Breakaway which allows smoking in the casino (!), a part of the outside deck on the starboard side (can't remember which deck) and also has a 'bus shelter' type of edifice which I assume is to protect the users from the weather.

 

The latter appeared well used, although I was appalled to see toddlers in prams there. Have the parents not heard of the dangers of second hand smoke or are they so addicted they don't care?