Ken at the beach Posted February 8, 2017 #26 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Sorry, I don't believe a word of the bolded text. They may not get paid a high salary, but they do not work solely for tips. Might as well be. From many reports its between $50 and $100 per month for tipped positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerif Posted February 8, 2017 #27 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Sorry, I don't believe a word of the bolded text. They may not get paid a high salary, but they do not work solely for tips. I agree, although I don't particularly doubt that a staff member told this to the PP in order to get a better tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daze6399 Posted February 8, 2017 #28 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Why would working solely for tips surprise you? Many if not most restaurants in the US operate that way, servers are paid very low wages and expected to supplement their income with tips. If they make less than minimum wage their company is required to fill the gap. The last place i tended bar paid bartender $2.25/ hour and the bartender had to tip out the barback 30% of the tips for the night. Consider that most of these ships are not registered in the US and likely do not follow US employment law, tips only makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted February 8, 2017 #29 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Why would working solely for tips surprise you? Many if not most restaurants in the US operate that way, servers are paid very low wages and expected to supplement their income with tips. If they make less than minimum wage their company is required to fill the gap. The last place i tended bar paid bartender $2.25/ hour and the bartender had to tip out the barback 30% of the tips for the night. Consider that most of these ships are not registered in the US and likely do not follow US employment law, tips only makes a lot of sense. Many threads on many boards have addressed the poor pay that a lot of crew members make, both tipped and otherwise, but the one consistent fact is they do receive a salary. A figure that I read recently on a website other than CC is that tips constitute some 85% of their income, with the other 15%coming from salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daze6399 Posted February 8, 2017 #30 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Many threads on many boards have addressed the poor pay that a lot of crew members make, both tipped and otherwise, but the one consistent fact is they do receive a salary. A figure that I read recently on a website other than CC is that tips constitute some 85% of their income, with the other 15%coming from salary. That would also make sense. However at the pay rate they're making you could argue that they're not really getting "paid" if they're marking only 15% of their income as salary. [emoji47] however, that's neither here nor there. I would suspect there's a rough standard in the industry and I would suspect that the tipped crew members make very little salary, although I wouldn't be surprised either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soramor Posted February 8, 2017 Author #31 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Stop bucking the system... pay it and move on. The right people get there money. If your so inclined tip additionally. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Did you have anything helpful to say or did you just feel the need to be snarky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roce48 Posted February 8, 2017 #32 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I learned directly from staff on Harmony: a direct cash tip to a server is 90% kept by that server, 10% is supposed to be pooled into the team they work in. This is likely the reason why when you tip the extra buck to a particular server you do receive a little better service and ongoing attention throughout the cruise. In an on shore bar or back at home, aren't the tips handed to bartenders normally put in a jar? I have never seen an on shore bartender put a tip in their pocket. Why would it be any different on a cruise ship?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted February 8, 2017 #33 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Might as well be. From many reports its between $50 and $100 per month for tipped positions. Only in Asia/Australia where the servers are poorly tipped... word for word from this server who came from Voyager and Mariner. For those who "don't believe", why take my word for it, simply ask when you're on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerif Posted February 8, 2017 #34 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Only in Asia/Australia where the servers are poorly tipped... word for word from this server who came from Voyager and Mariner.For those who "don't believe", why take my word for it, simply ask when you're on board. Who would be rude enough to ask anyone what they make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted February 8, 2017 #35 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Only in Asia/Australia where the servers are poorly tipped... word for word from this server who came from Voyager and Mariner.For those who "don't believe", why take my word for it, simply ask when you're on board. This is typical of what you'll find if you do independent research on websites that have nothing to gain by stating that bartenders and other tipped personnel receive a salary: Tipping personnel Tipping personnel are the staff with direct contact with the guests who pay them "tips". There are specified amounts of tips per particular positions which are advised to guests prior to embarkation and which vary from one cruise line to another. Such personnel are waiters, busboys /assistant waiters, bar waiters/waitresses, bartenders, cocktail waitresses, etc. Tipping personnel have a small base salary. Most of their earnings are tips. Approximate sample earnings in this group are (in U.S. Dollars per month): Waiter from $2500 to $4000 Busboy / Assistant Waiter from $1500 to $3000 Bar Waiter / Waitress from $1000 to $2500 Bartender from $1500 to $3000 Applicants must have a good command of English, good work experience and appropriate education to qualify for this group (the latter is not obligatory if the applicant has enough experience). Or you can believe the person playing on your sympathy for a bigger tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted February 8, 2017 #36 Share Posted February 8, 2017 In an on shore bar or back at home, aren't the tips handed to bartenders normally put in a jar? I have never seen an on shore bartender put a tip in their pocket. Why would it be any different on a cruise ship?:confused: I'm just the messenger. I apologize... when I try to explain something on most threads I normally provide a picture (or a link to one of my reviews about the topic) to help the explanation and provide first hand experience. I have no reason to throw b.s. out on this forum for the heck of it after trying to be helpful for years in my reviews and to answer other's questions. If I'm wrong, it's because I was lied to, not because I'm pretending to know something. By the way, my business is built on reading people... I'm not always 100% right and I think he was totally legit in demeanor and body language when we were speaking. Anyhow, no biggie. I repeat that if you really want to know, simply make friends with one of the servers you see every day and simply ask the question to ensure where you're extra cash tips are going, and also ask how the system works. I would love to hear if the same reply you get is what I got, or if it's something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted February 8, 2017 #37 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Who would be rude enough to ask anyone what they make? Hopefully no one.... he offered the explanation. I simply asked if he kept the extra cash that I gave him or whether it gets pooled. He then explained the system. The explanation came on day 7 of a 7 day cruise after I had tipped him all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare vacationlover_mn Posted February 8, 2017 #38 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Has anyone gotten better service around the pool, by tipping extra? On my last 2 cruises, wandering drink people were almost non-existent, and we had to go to the pool bar 99% of the time to get more drinks... Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packercruising Posted February 8, 2017 #39 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Has anyone gotten better service around the pool, by tipping extra? On my last 2 cruises, wandering drink people were almost non-existent, and we had to go to the pool bar 99% of the time to get more drinks... Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app You mean tip them up front and hope for better service? We have never tipped for services not yet provided. I don't know what the problem is in the pool area. You would think, with all those people out there, the servers would want to be available. Sometimes they are, sometimes not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StolidCruiser Posted February 8, 2017 #40 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Has anyone gotten better service around the pool, by tipping extra? On my last 2 cruises, wandering drink people were almost non-existent, and we had to go to the pool bar 99% of the time to get more drinks... Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app You mean tip them up front and hope for better service? We have never tipped for services not yet provided. I don't know what the problem is in the pool area. You would think, with all those people out there, the servers would want to be available. Sometimes they are, sometimes not. The reason drink servers don't float as much is because people don't tip. I don't tip before service, but once I do my drink is never empty. It's amazing how they can always find me again no matter where I roam and I repeatedly get above-excellent service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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