cccer Posted February 16, 2018 #126 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Eh. I wouldn't worry about it. I most definitely wouldn't be TERRIFIED over it. True, OP has not even cruised on Carnival. Not sure what there is to be terrified over, unless of course they want to stir the pot. To bad there are already about 20 threads on this already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryano Posted February 16, 2018 #127 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Im not sure which was worse. The violent thugs or the abysmal Carnival "security" team. Wow. Just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachbum6264 Posted February 16, 2018 #128 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I've seen worse fights at football games. It hasn't stopped us from going to another game. People are idiots everywhere. I've only seen one fight on a ship, and that was on RC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch27088 Posted February 16, 2018 #129 Share Posted February 16, 2018 The effective way would be mace, Taser, batons and other crowd control equipment which they didn't have. Or they could simply stay on the sideline and did nothing until someone was killed So what do you suggest they should do to beak up a brawl other than engaging in some hand-to-hand combat themselves? The talking and reasoning stage was long over as soon as the fight broke out. I wish there was a "like" button for this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch27088 Posted February 16, 2018 #130 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Probably going to get flamed but I really can’t believe the responses are more about how security handled these violate thugs. Looks to me, they got what they were giving out to innocent passengers who had to endure their violence. They should have been put off the ship sooner. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untailored bostonian Posted February 16, 2018 #131 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I've seen worse fights at football games. It hasn't stopped us from going to another game. People are idiots everywhere. I've only seen one fight on a ship, and that was on RC. OTOH the CCL security team committed many filmed acts of felony assault on cruise passengers. It is called assault by means of a dangerous weapon, i.e. by means of a shod foot. So are you ok with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch27088 Posted February 16, 2018 #132 Share Posted February 16, 2018 So why are you so afraid of Carnival. First of all, as someone said, this happened in Australia. Second, it could happen on any cruise line, and this will probably be something you may or may not hear about again. I've been cruising since 2005, and I've heard of small fights here and there (family arguments), but a big brawl like that, never. First time I've ever heard of something to that extent. I wouldn't worry about it, it will probably never happen on your ship, and God forbid if it does, I would report it immediately to guest services and security. Relax on your vacation and have a great time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untailored bostonian Posted February 16, 2018 #133 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Im not sure which was worse. The violent thugs or the abysmal Carnival "security" team. Wow. Just wow. I agree. I wonder if that is how CCL wants their security team to behave. Kicking a person on the ground is a felony assault with a dangerous weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winddawn Posted February 16, 2018 #134 Share Posted February 16, 2018 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5398111/Shocking-vision-violent-brawls-Carnival-Legend-cruise.html Wow! Doesn't bode well for Aussies! I've cruised from U.S. waters over 40 times since the 80's and have never seen anything like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare luv2kroooz Posted February 16, 2018 #135 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I agree with most that this type of behavior is extremely rare on vacation. However, the contents of the video show me that the security team, officers and captain were unprepared and were unable to regain control of the situation in a quick, professional manner. Frankly, I was shocked by what I saw in the video. I find this troubling and can understand how someone could be concerned (not terrified) about the preparedness of the security team in the event of emergencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodndonna Posted February 16, 2018 #136 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Security officers in general are not trained to handle a situation like this. I wouldn’t expect better than average training for cruise ship security. It’s not fair to put someone in a violent and dangerous situation that they haven’t been equipped or trained to handle and then turn around and expect them to be fired when they can’t handle it. Would be kinda like taking you and putting you in a position of a NASA engineer and then firing you when you can’t get a space shuttle to launch. I’m in law enforcement and dealing with an active fight involving multiple parties is harder to deal with than it sounds. It does take training, equipment, and enough personnel to stop it safely. I don’t expect any security guard most likely making minimum wages on a cruise ship to put themselves in the middle of a fight and get beat up themselves. And just btw, tasers and batons wouldn’t have helped much. Mace is the right tool for that situation. If security doesn’t carry mace, have to wait till you’re have more guards than fighters before you intervene. Then u go through in pairs, cuffing everyone up. A guard acting alone to break up a fight is a recipe for disaster Sent from my iPhone using Forums I agree with these sentiments - I would like to think this was a very rare and abnormal situation to have to take on - and not something cruise security personnel could be realistically expected to deal with and trained for. That are taking quite a risk trying to break it up - not an easy thing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untailored bostonian Posted February 16, 2018 #137 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Probably going to get flamed but I really can’t believe the responses are more about how security handled these violate thugs. Looks to me, they got what they were giving out to innocent passengers who had to endure their violence. They should have been put off the ship sooner. Regardless, the security members committed criminal acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untailored bostonian Posted February 16, 2018 #138 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Watching video again with Wifey. 1:25 into the original video, you see a security member draw back his arm and was about to punch a woman with a red skirt. He sees cell phone recording and puts down his arm. This would of been a much uglier situation had this not been recorded. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Does CCL have the right to confiscate a cruiser’s iPhone for filming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemanbobswife Posted February 16, 2018 #139 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Literally terrified of Carnival Literally terrified of MSC Literally WOW! Give it a rest. https://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2565316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjrpar Posted February 16, 2018 #140 Share Posted February 16, 2018 This has nothing to do with cutbacks and all to do with the people who were fighting. Correct but the super cheap fares are attracting certain types of people. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsixteencruisers Posted February 16, 2018 #141 Share Posted February 16, 2018 The way that security handled it is not the only thing at issue, the people in the fight are the start and end of it. But security taking a horrible approach to ending the altercation is not acceptable. What if security had kicked someone in the head and that person died. When they started kicking they also became part of the problem, they were no longer a solution. I know there are better ways of handling the situation as I stated previously I worked these types of situations for many years. You can do many things to stop this and not one of those things is kicking. The people who started all of this were completely in the wrong and should pay dearly for what they caused. Once it was broken up they were locked in rooms and the next day 6 of the men were escorted off the ship by the police on a boat and then the remaining 14 people with them also left the ship. When the security team started in as they did it just made things escalate as you can see in the video. More than blaming the security people I blame their lack of proper training to handle a situation like this. 2-3 properly trained people could have stopped this with no escalation rather quickly. I don’t disagree that the security teams training should be upgraded. I seriously don’t think that 2-3 people could have stopped this gang of 20 violent thugs. Just my opinion but I do respect yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gowrie Posted February 16, 2018 #142 Share Posted February 16, 2018 http://www.smh.com.au/national/violence-reported-on-cruise-ship-carnival-legend-on-way-to-melbourne-20180215-p4z0jz.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untailored bostonian Posted February 16, 2018 #143 Share Posted February 16, 2018 The female security guard was only interested in smacking the phone out of the person filming, since she was useless otherwise. Wow, I now feel LESS safe after watching this. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: She also was one of the security that repeatedly kick the passenger on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gowrie Posted February 16, 2018 #144 Share Posted February 16, 2018 So why are you so afraid of Carnival. First of all, as someone said, this happened in Australia. Second, it could happen on any cruise line, and this will probably be something you may or may not hear about again. I've been cruising since 2005, and I've heard of small fights here and there (family arguments), but a big brawl like that, never. First time I've ever heard of something to that extent. I wouldn't worry about it, it will probably never happen on your ship, and God forbid if it does, I would report it immediately to guest services and security. Relax on your vacation and have a great time. How ridiculous, how can you report it to security when they are busy kicking passengers on the ground? I suggest you watch the video, there is no excuse. http://www.smh.com.au/national/violence-reported-on-cruise-ship-carnival-legend-on-way-to-melbourne-20180215-p4z0jz.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untailored bostonian Posted February 16, 2018 #145 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Correct but the super cheap fares are attracting certain types of people. Sent from my iPhone using Forums This is an interesting POV. Raise those fares so you only get “our kind of people” on these cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Saint Greg Posted February 16, 2018 #146 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I saw a fight in the nightclub on Triumph in September. It was handled much better than that and resolved quickly. I don't plan on being involved in any fights so it doesn't bother me either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcpagejr Posted February 16, 2018 #147 Share Posted February 16, 2018 This must be an Australian thing...LOL. P&O (Princess) had a brawl on one of their ships about 10 days ago sailing out of Australia!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanyon71 Posted February 16, 2018 #148 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I don’t disagree that the security teams training should be upgraded. I seriously don’t think that 2-3 people could have stopped this gang of 20 violent thugs. Just my opinion but I do respect yours. Unless I read something wrong in the couple of articles I have seen it was a group of 20 people but only 2 where really fighting. Carnival removed 6 of them from the ship the next morning 4 adult males (2 of which are the ones you see on the ground) and 2 teen males. The other 14 people removed where their families (I'm assuming these are the rest of the people you see in the video but I don't really know to be honest). My basis for what I said was had they been trained right this would have ended quickly, people would have cooled down and things would have been safer for all around. I think when the security staff went off like they did (fight or flight instincts) everyone got up in arms and things got worse. Maybe they should have called in the fire response team and hosed everyone down? ;p (I am joking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjrpar Posted February 16, 2018 #149 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I just hope Carnival doesn't use the Security personnel as scapegoats. It was Carnival's ( the Captain's) decision NOT to nip it in the bud earlier by off loading them. By allowing them to remain on board it put the under-trained Security staff in a very awkward position and they dealt with the gradually escalating situation in the only way they knew. Carnival....it's your fault. Yes, improve the Security training but first, accept the blame. Totally agree, thanks Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podna's Posted February 16, 2018 #150 Share Posted February 16, 2018 How ridiculous, how can you report it to security when they are busy kicking passengers on the ground? I suggest you watch the video, there is no excuse. http://www.smh.com.au/national/violence-reported-on-cruise-ship-carnival-legend-on-way-to-melbourne-20180215-p4z0jz.html I watched the video. I wouldn’t even call them passengers. They were trouble makers that deserved to get the cr_p beat out of them. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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