Jen Smith on Oprah

[GranysT]

Halos, I wholeheartedly agree with you,wanting to know where your husband is,even after 22 years of marriage. I was married at 16,and will have been married 44 years,in April. I still am concerned about my husband,and want to know where he is sleeping,and vice versa on his part. I'm not saying I don't have a lot of questions about Jen,or understand or agree,with her seemingly,non concerns. My theory about that,was that honeymoons are just not what they used to be. Someone else,a young person,pointed out to me,that her honeymoon was still very special to her. I am absolutely delighted to hear that. Honeymoons Should be special and exciting. I apologize,if I made it sound like NO ones is anymore. I just offered it as a "possible explanation" as to why Jen seemed so casual,about his whereabouts. I also believe,as almost everyone else does,that Jen knows more than she's telling. For whatever reason she may have.

[quiltsnh]

While I think we may never know what happened.... I do believe RCCL did all the could knowing what they knew... no way are they babysitters... Passengers who behave badly are responsible for themselves. I saw an interview with Geroges parents and sister about a month ago and when they were asked what Jennifer had told them they said they have never asked her and didn't want to pressure her. Give me a break..... something doesn't add up..... She said the tragedy of George's death is getting lost in the whole discussion. But at the same time she is debating the bill she got from RCCL the way she was treated, the CD palyer. clothes she was given..... and the fact she had to pay for her ticket home.... it seems she is being trivial.... and lost in the fact George is gone.... she said she is now responsible for Georges bills.....why should she question this .....the bill was for charges incurred before the disappearence. The honeymoon was not in line with any description of a normal honeymoon. She was the one who jumped on the first flight.... she knows more than she is admitting...more to ponder

[Hazen]

In our legal system today, if you can generate enough sympathy, you never need address your own personal responsibility. Lawyers have learned how to exploit the public's compassion into a cash cow for them and their clients, The family and JS have suffered a terrible loss, therefore, it is someone else"s fault. In our society today, tragedy exempts you from ever having to admit or examine your own choices or actions. The media respects tragedy and little else. It is "disrespectful" to ask the grieving family hard questions about the victim's drinking, the bride's behavior, the misleading statements that they and their lawyers have issued. They are "the little people" fighting the evil faceless mega-rich Corporation. A compassionate jury influenced by a saavy media campaign will no doubt feel they can assauge the family grief by awarding them and their lawyers millions. Some of the real "little people" who work for the corporation will have their jobs eliminated if the award and the negative press causes a downturn at RCCL. IMO ultimately it is those "little people" who will pay for whatever happened after a night of excessive drinking and poor choices on that ship. Will that be compensation enough for JS having to wear "logo clothing" and pay her own way home? Will the family feel that enriching themselves be justice for George?

[LEtue]

[quote name='Hazen']In our legal system today, if you can generate enough sympathy, you never need address your own personal responsibility. Lawyers have learned how to exploit the public's compassion into a cash cow for them and their clients, The family and JS have suffered a terrible loss, therefore, it is someone else"s fault. In our society today, tragedy exempts you from ever having to admit or examine your own choices or actions. The media respects tragedy and little else. It is "disrespectful" to ask the grieving family hard questions about the victim's drinking, the bride's behavior, the misleading statements that they and their lawyers have issued. They are "the little people" fighting the evil faceless mega-rich Corporation. A compassionate jury influenced by a saavy media campaign will no doubt feel they can assauge the family grief by awarding them and their lawyers millions. Some of the real "little people" who work for the corporation will have their jobs eliminated if the award and the negative press causes a downturn at RCCL. IMO ultimately it is those "little people" who will pay for whatever happened after a night of excessive drinking and poor choices on that ship. Will that be compensation enough for JS having to wear "logo clothing" and pay her own way home? Will the family feel that enriching themselves be justice for George?[/quote]

Very well said and unfortunately very true......

[Fury1995]

[quote name='cruz1234']I want to know why Oprah did not ask her if she "remembered" talking to her friend in the casino at 2:30am??? The woman said George and Jennifer were a lovely couple and she saw them in the casino that evening and spoke w/ Jennifer about 2:30am at which time Jennifer was not drunk at all???HMMMMM but passed out in a hallway 2 hrs later??? Why didn't they QUIZ her on her memory of that..since she DOESN"T remember anything it would have been interesting to hear her response..?? Just a wee bit fishy...[/quote]

Good point. It seemed like when JHS was listening to the "new" witness (Jaci) speak about the conversation they had at 2:30 in the casino, her reaction looked like she was hearing what she did for the first time.

[cusyl]

[quote name='quiltsnh']and the fact she had to pay for her ticket home.... it seems she is being trivial.... and lost in the fact George is gone.... she said she is now responsible for Georges bills.....why should she question this .....the bill was for charges incurred before the disappearence. [/QUOTE]

Isn't this why we buy insurance? I really don't see how any of this was RCL's fault. Unfortunate definitely but certainly not RCL's fault. When will people learn not to drink so much that they don't have full control over themselves.
Why would she not be responsible for the bills they made while onboard? Ridiculous.

[berwyn]

[quote name='cusyl']Isn't this why we buy insurance? I really don't see how any of this was RCL's fault. Unfortunate definitely but certainly not RCL's fault. When will people learn not to drink so much that they don't have full control over themselves.
Why would she not be responsible for the bills they made while onboard? Ridiculous.[/quote]

I agree.she seems more concerned about a refund from RCI than her late husband.

[stanford's girl]

[quote name='Buster27']If George had a good deal of cash on him....has it ever been established that the cash was found in the room? Or was it on his person?
[/quote][SIZE=4]If it hadn't been in the room or given back to the poor widow Jen, you would have heard her screaming about it already.:rolleyes: [/SIZE]

[stanford's girl]

[quote name='Barefoot_Pirate']

OMG, I forgot, the were loosing money in the casino..DH had to go back to the room to bail DW out. And despite being drugged in the casino, she was able to keep drinking for some time at the disco, make happy face with an employee in the Disco, give the DH a kick in the groin, and walk off..yep clearly she had a slow acting mickey.
[/quote]Nicely put Pirate!! That had to be the slooooooooooowest mickey in history. LOL

[stanford's girl]

[quote name='Leafpeeper'] She, like so many other women, could easily have been slipped a date night drug and been raped and not known it.
[/quote]Not have known that she was raped????:confused: You can bet if the widow Jen had been raped, there would have already been a lawsuit filed.

[Barefoot_Pirate]

Stanford, don't be shocked if soon the widow doesn't have recall of the suppressed memory of a rape. Her lawyer is probably helping her recall the details ya know.

Since I do believe that lawyers will try to "educate" the potential jurry pool by these promotional appearances on shows such as "O", I do enjoy watching people's takeaways. In this case I would say it was not a great result, but as they say "practice makes perfect" and DW will do better next time.

[Host Karen]

Folks have made much of the fact that Jennifer got up about 3-1/2 hours after being found passed out in the hall, failed to change out of her sundress from the night before, slipped on her flipflops, dismissed the fact that her husband wasn't in the room, and went up to the spa for their his and her massage. Does anyone find it just plain weird that she arrived at the spa 90 minutes early for her appointment and yet went ahead with the massage without spending that time looking for her husband? I'd be very interested in what she said to the person giving the massage about her early arrival and her husband's absence.

I, too, cannot imagine being on my honeymoon, waking up without my husband in the room and continuing on with my day without searching for him -- especially if the night before is a lost memory. The only explanation for having a his and her massage alone is that you're either (1) trying to avoid your husband or (2) you had a fight and you know he's not going to show up. Either way, doesn't that indicate you remember what happened after you left the casino together?

I think what happened is a tragedy and likely an accident, but there is no excuse for her current behavior. Instead of blaming the cruiseline, she should be running up and down the backs of the FBI trying to get a resolution to this case. JMHO

Karen

[stanford's girl]

[quote name='olliekl'] Does anyone find it just plain weird that she arrived at the spa 90 minutes early for her appointment and yet went ahead with the massage without spending that time looking for her husband?

Karen[/quote]I find it more than weird. Massage appt for 10 am for BOTH of them, she shows up at 8:30 and asks if they could take HER early. Wonder if she asked that because she knew he wasn't going to show up for his appt.???????

[AFT_LOVER]

we keep hearing at all JHS's interviews about the other honeymooning couple, arried the same day on the cruise together. They had dinner on a tour, so no meal together that night & they would meet them at 11PM.

Also who is Paul, I think that is what I heard on Oprah, a friend of their's.

[quote name='Fury1995']Good point. It seemed like when JHS was listening to the "new" witness (Jaci) speak about the conversation they had at 2:30 in the casino, her reaction looked like she was hearing what she did for the first time.[/quote]

[Barky]

[quote name='MACOP']we keep hearing at all JHS's interviews about the other honeymooning couple, arried the same day on the cruise together. They had dinner on a tour, so no meal together that night & they would meet them at 11PM.

Also who is Paul, I think that is what I heard on Oprah, a friend of their's.[/quote]

Paul and Galina are the honeymoon couple they were hanging out with. Bobby and Jaci Friedlander (the ones on Opera) they met on the steps going into the dining room and kept meeting them throughout the cruise.

[Barky]

[quote=stanford's girl]I find it more than weird. Massage appt for 10 am for BOTH of them, she shows up at 8:30 and asks if they could take HER early. Wonder if she asked that because she knew he wasn't going to show up for his appt.???????[/quote]

In an article published early on a friend of Jen's stated she was the type of person who wouldn't go anywhere without her make-up. So, I find it extremely weird she would go for a massage without changing clothes and putting on make-up.

[CanadianMAG]

I read 3 pages and didnt see anything to mention this. I may be a little nieve....I thought the cruiseships have camera EVERYWHERE on the ship?? If that's the case the mystery should be solved... if they don't then the cruiseships do know who and when the cabin doors are open.. wouldn't that be easy to help solve some of the mystery ....

[Barefoot_Pirate]

Mag, RCCL has turned over 90+ tapes to the FBI, and the electronic seapass records (which will give time lines for it's use as either charge card or as pass key to a room).

But the FBI has it all, and they ain't playing in this mud fight.

[caviargal]

[quote name='cusyl']Isn't this why we buy insurance? I really don't see how any of this was RCL's fault. Unfortunate definitely but certainly not RCL's fault. When will people learn not to drink so much that they don't have full control over themselves.
Why would she not be responsible for the bills they made while onboard? Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Would insurance cover a disappearance? I really do not think so.

[CanadianMAG]

[quote name='Barefoot_Pirate']Mag, RCCL has turned over 90+ tapes to the FBI, and the electronic seapass records (which will give time lines for it's use as either charge card or as pass key to a room).

But the FBI has it all, and they ain't playing in this mud fight.[/quote]

Then there shouldn;t be a question on what happened! I would assume that its all there on film...

The FBI should be working with whatever authorities they need to to figure it all out, sometimes I don't understand all the BS that surrounds it and whos territory is whos... someone is dead and/or missing, the need to work together

[AFT_LOVER]

This is another part of this HONEYMOON FROM HELL I don't understand. I have been married to Jerry for 26 years today! We have NEVER been apart. I even had surgery & he stayed in the waiting room til I was moved out & he was with me. He slept in the other bed that night til I could go home the next day. Even in his rock n roll days we were NEVER apart.

So this couple do not sleep together. George sleeps in another couple's room? Are they swingers????


[quote name='Barky']Paul and Galina are the honeymoon couple they were hanging out with. Bobby and Jaci Friedlander (the ones on Opera) they met on the steps going into the dining room and kept meeting them throughout the cruise.[/quote]

[cusyl]

[quote name='caviargal']Would insurance cover a disappearance? I really do not think so.[/QUOTE]
No of course not, I didnt specific evidentally...I meant her airfare would have been covered by insurance.

[Mamacruisediva]

[FONT=Arial Black][B]"[quote name='huskerdude']I have not followed this thing closely at all, but the DW tivo's Oprah everyday so I did watch it just because.[/B][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Black][B]Just some things I noticed...[/B][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Black][B]1. The lady seemed more concerned about how she was treated in a foreign country than she was about her husband.[/B][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Black][B]2. How in the world can you be sooo drunk at 4:30 in the morning that you can't even walk but 3-1/2 hrs later she wakes up and feels good enough to go to the spa? Not real proud of this but I have been drunk enough to "black out" and I was in no condition the entire next day to get out of bed let alone get up and do things.[/B][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Black][B]3. I've been married almost 20 years and have NEVER not known where my spouse was sleeping, and she I. They slept apart at least one other night while on their honeymoon and that does not seem to bother her at all. She did not even care enough to go look for her husband that morning because she thought he was sleeping somewhere else.[/B][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial Black][B]6. I really do feel for his family, even some for her, I'm sure she did love her husband but just seems more worried about other things. We have lost a child and it the most gut wrenching thing a person can go through."[/B][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial Black][B]:([/B][/FONT] Huskerdude - I agree with you about the "not knowing where my spouse is!" I have been married for 18 years and even if we weren't sleeping under the same roof (for whatever reason) we knew where the other one was. On our honeymoon we made friends but spent our time together! I am not much of a drinker but I love to go out and "party." I just cannot imagine not knowing where my spouse is on our honeymoon!

Regarding your lose. I am sorry. I lost a brother and I saw what it did (and still does) to my parents. I pray the parents can get through this. Losing a loved one is hard enough without having horrifying reminders everyday. Then there's having no closure..... tough to endure!

[Leafpeeper]

The FBI cleared JS early on in its investigation. Obviously, the FBI knows more than we do. Does anyone really expect this case to be resolved without a body? Reminds me of Natalie Holloway case in alot of ways.

I am guessing that RCCL must be worried about their public image because I keep seeing them on all the news shows. Didn't look good leaving the young widow stranded in a foreign country.

[caviargal]

[quote name='Leafpeeper']The FBI cleared JS early on in its investigation. Obviously, the FBI knows more than we do. Does anyone really expect this case to be resolved without a body? Reminds me of Natalie Holloway case in alot of ways.

I am guessing that RCCL must be worried about their public image because I keep seeing them on all the news shows. Didn't look good leaving the young widow stranded in a foreign country.[/QUOTE]


She did not know - and still does not - that she is a widow. I really cannot imagine that RCI did not offer assistance to get her home. After all, she had a Guest Relations Officer with her for a day. From what I saw of the interview, she was more disturbed that RCI did not pay for her ticket.

Quite frankly, RCI had a mess on their hands, and the behavior of these two was suspect IMO. I think that RCI's image in this improves every time Ms. Jennifer opens her mouth.