MoniMommy Posted March 12, 2020 #1 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Does the ban Agaisnt gatherings of more than 500 basically prevent cruises from NYC? The terminal always contains more than 500 people on embarkation/debarkation day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennmaybe Posted March 13, 2020 #2 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Very good question.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JamieLogical Posted March 13, 2020 #3 Share Posted March 13, 2020 It was specifically stated that travel hubs are not included. Let me see if I can dig up the quote again. By your logic, Penn Station, JFK, and LaGuardia would have to be closed... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYcruzzer Posted March 13, 2020 #4 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Cruise Terminal excluded. Same way JFK , Laguardia ,NYC subway and rail stations like Penn and Grand Central are excluded... Edited March 13, 2020 by NYcruzzer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JamieLogical Posted March 13, 2020 #5 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) The ban is specifically for “congregate spaces” that have an occupancy of 500 people or more, meaning that places with more divided areas — like office buildings or movie theaters — won’t be affected by the limits. Governor Cuomo’s announcement doesn’t include things like New York City’s subway and bus public transit systems, the New York public school system, hospitals, or nursing homes, all of which will remain open for now. https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/12/21177162/new-york-coronavirus-ban-public-gathering-broadway-concerts-museums Edited March 13, 2020 by JamieLogical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoniMommy Posted March 13, 2020 Author #6 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Thank you for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyinpa Posted March 13, 2020 #7 Share Posted March 13, 2020 why is something like the NYC subway less likely to spread this than cruise ships? ive seen stats a few mil a day use the system. no cruise ship is that big. it just seems like more of the proverbial petri dish than the largest cruise ship. and if youve been in the stations you know its not the most well ventilated sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JamieLogical Posted March 13, 2020 #8 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, luckyinpa said: why is something like the NYC subway less likely to spread this than cruise ships? ive seen stats a few mil a day use the system. no cruise ship is that big. it just seems like more of the proverbial petri dish than the largest cruise ship. and if youve been in the stations you know its not the most well ventilated sometimes Tell that to all the people on the other thread yelling at those of us who still plan to go on our cruises this weekend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYcruzzer Posted March 13, 2020 #9 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) The governor of Maryland just declared a state of emergency and closed the port of baltimore effectively immediately for all outgoing cruises. Carnival and Royal have ships that homeport there. Who knows if other states will follow suit ? Edited March 13, 2020 by NYcruzzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted March 13, 2020 #10 Share Posted March 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, luckyinpa said: why is something like the NYC subway less likely to spread this than cruise ships? ive seen stats a few mil a day use the system. no cruise ship is that big. it just seems like more of the proverbial petri dish than the largest cruise ship. and if youve been in the stations you know its not the most well ventilated sometimes It isn't that the NYC subway is less likely to spread the virus, it's that shutting down mass transit would cripple the city. People wouldn't be able to go to work, to medical appointments, etc. You have to do a risk-benefit assessment and the negative consequences of a mass transit shutdown right now are enormous. Taking a cruise is a leisure activity, not a necessity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyinpa Posted March 13, 2020 #11 Share Posted March 13, 2020 http://web.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_sub_annual.htm over a billion a year rides. bet some people ride the subway after a cruise to explore the city before going home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBTN Posted March 13, 2020 #12 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, luckyinpa said: why is something like the NYC subway less likely to spread this than cruise ships? ive seen stats a few mil a day use the system. no cruise ship is that big. it just seems like more of the proverbial petri dish than the largest cruise ship. and if youve been in the stations you know its not the most well ventilated sometimes Its not. That’s why I don’t understand these half measures. Either quarantine everyone for a few weeks, or don’t. All these government officials are doing is making everyone panic. It’s not productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkJedi Posted March 13, 2020 #13 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, luckyinpa said: why is something like the NYC subway less likely to spread this than cruise ships? ive seen stats a few mil a day use the system. no cruise ship is that big. it just seems like more of the proverbial petri dish than the largest cruise ship. and if youve been in the stations you know its not the most well ventilated sometimes Because people are going to travel no matter how much fear mongering that there is. And NYC doesn't want to lose billions of dollars in revenue and basically stop everyone from going to work by shutting down all transit stations. You have a choice, go on a cruise with 5000 people, 1 of whom MAY have the virus. And spend a lot of time around the same people. OR You can stay in NYC and travel the transit system with 1,000,000 PLUS different people every day, any one of whom may be infected. Statistically which do you think is more likely to expose you to the virus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad1 Posted March 13, 2020 #14 Share Posted March 13, 2020 7 hours ago, MikeBTN said: Its not. That’s why I don’t understand these half measures. Either quarantine everyone for a few weeks, or don’t. All these government officials are doing is making everyone panic. It’s not productive. it is because it goal isn't to quarantine. The goal is to take reasonable measures do some prevention and to slow down how quickly it spreads. This helps allow hospitals to treat those who are ill. Without some measures, medical facilities would be flooded and unable to treat everyone, leading to further sicknesses and death. Quarantining everyone for two weeks won't eliminate this disease. It will still pop up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wampuscat7 Posted March 13, 2020 #15 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, MikeBTN said: Its not. That’s why I don’t understand these half measures. Either quarantine everyone for a few weeks, or don’t. All these government officials are doing is making everyone panic. It’s not productive. https://www.pnas.org/content/104/18/7582 Public officials (perhaps some more than others) are trying to carefully balance health, economics, individual freedoms, etc. It seems to me a very difficult time to be a public official. Edited March 13, 2020 by wampuscat7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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