Rare mkkao924 Posted July 24, 2022 #1 Share Posted July 24, 2022 I know Apple does not recommend to use AirTag to track kids, and I don't intend to rely on using this solely to track kids, but I am wondering if this even works onboard (at sea) as supplemental method of tracking? For example, when they are in kids club, I might be able to use it to track if they still stay in kids club or they ran out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallux Posted July 24, 2022 #2 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) The AirTag, like similar products, relies on other iPhone owners' devices 'reading' the tag and reporting to the system where it was on earth using their device's GPS location at the time of the encounter. Within 5 seconds that location is out of date, not to mention that location is going to be a random spot in the middle of the ocean rather than being identified as on the ship. Oh, and GPS signals are often blocked inside the metal of the ship, especially where the kids clubs are usually located. It relies on those devices that encounter the tag having a constant internet connection as well. Imagine someone's device encountering your child, then 30 minutes later they turn on their internet. You go to look at the location of that tag and it's 30 or more miles BEHIND the ship because another device hasn't encountered the tag since then. IMO - they're best used on land or for tracking bags that are handed over to an airline for a flight. In other words, it'll more of a game of "hot or cold" than a "OH, THAT'S where they are!" A story about a Tile tag situation. My sister had one in her checked bag when we flew home from LA. We had a layover in Philadelphia. When we got to our home airport the tag was "seen" in Chicago! My assumption being that someone sitting on the plane near her bag that was also a Tile community member had picked up her Tile, that person deboarded the first flight and proceeded to a flight to Chicago from Philadelphia. That person landed in Chicago before we got to our home airport and their app reported in their location in Chicago as the location of her bag, UNTIL someone in our airport encountered her tag and reported the location. Edited July 24, 2022 by hallux 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted July 24, 2022 #3 Share Posted July 24, 2022 I would guess you will only be able to tell they are on the ship. If you have a later iPhone and can use precision tracking you would still have to have a general idea where they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted July 24, 2022 #4 Share Posted July 24, 2022 If your kids are under ten it is hard for me to imagine they will be allowed the run out of the kids club. And I don’t think you would be giving kids that young run of the ship. You don’t need trackers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted July 24, 2022 #5 Share Posted July 24, 2022 What @hallux wrote. Plus your backdrop on Maps would be just water, ocean. Bad and delayed reception, and don't forget that you won't have an easy clue on which exact deck the AirTag would be. I imagine there are better ways to achieve what OP wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happytotravel Posted July 24, 2022 #6 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Charles4515 said: If your kids are under ten it is hard for me to imagine they will be allowed the run out of the kids club. And I don’t think you would be giving kids that young run of the ship. You don’t need trackers. I ditto your comments! happytotravel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoCruiseFan Posted July 24, 2022 #7 Share Posted July 24, 2022 PLEASE do all of the other passengers on the ship a huge favor and do NOT let your kids run around unsupervised. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted July 24, 2022 #8 Share Posted July 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, MoCruiseFan said: PLEASE do all of the other passengers on the ship a huge favor and do NOT let your kids run around unsupervised. OP informed only about being sure that they would stay in Kids Jail eh Club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 1025cruise Posted July 24, 2022 #9 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Odds are location services won't be accurate anyways. On my last cruise, my phone thought I was at my embarkation port the entire time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyTrain2 Posted July 25, 2022 #10 Share Posted July 25, 2022 If you are that worried, leave them with Grandma - then send Grandma on a cruise in thanks. You are trying to build adults not dependent kids that lack the skills to leave the nest. Let them try to order a drink at the bar, eat French fries without asking, have a 5th slice of pizza or mix all the drinks in the soda dispenser. Give them a check in time. If they miss it, toss 'em overboard. Some of us grey haired ex-parents did this before "smart" phones and GPS trackers - AMAZING!! I'll be over at Virgin loving the all adult cruises. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middleager Posted July 25, 2022 #11 Share Posted July 25, 2022 48 minutes ago, CrazyTrain2 said: Give them a check in time. If they miss it, toss 'em overboard. Some of us grey haired ex-parents did this before "smart" phones and GPS trackers - AMAZING!! Curious how many of your kids have you tossed overboard? 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshgates Posted July 25, 2022 #12 Share Posted July 25, 2022 No, it won't work. While you're in the ship you're not getting GPS or a cell signal, especially while you're underway so it'll report the location (if it reports at all) based on the ships internet provider. Last summer when I checked mine out of curiosity it had them in Miami the entire trip. About the only time it could conceivably work is when they're on the top deck, in port, and near someone who's connected to the mobile network of whatever port you're in. You could use precision finding, but at that point you're going to be close enough to see them anyways. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middleager Posted July 25, 2022 #13 Share Posted July 25, 2022 So what's recommended to keep track of the wives? (Chip implanted in the back of the neck while she sleeps?) 🤪 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negn Posted July 25, 2022 #14 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Kids need to be signed out by parent or other authorized guardian. They are not allowed to just roam about 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyTrain2 Posted July 25, 2022 #15 Share Posted July 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, Middleager said: Curious how many of your kids have you tossed overboard? 😁 Some, not all. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesimapirate Posted July 25, 2022 #16 Share Posted July 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, Middleager said: So what's recommended to keep track of the wives? (Chip implanted in the back of the neck while she sleeps?) 🤪 Since your said "wives" instead of wife, I would imagine they would need to keep track of you instead of the other way around 🤔 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyTrain2 Posted July 25, 2022 #17 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yesimapirate said: Since your said "wives" instead of wife, I would imagine they would need to keep track of you instead of the other way around 🤔 Apple Airtag has a 4 pack for the wives. I just track the credit card swipes. Edited July 25, 2022 by CrazyTrain2 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSUjohn Posted July 25, 2022 #18 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, CrazyTrain2 said: If you are that worried, leave them with Grandma - then send Grandma on a cruise in thanks. You are trying to build adults not dependent kids that lack the skills to leave the nest. Let them try to order a drink at the bar, eat French fries without asking, have a 5th slice of pizza or mix all the drinks in the soda dispenser. Give them a check in time. If they miss it, toss 'em overboard. Some of us grey haired ex-parents did this before "smart" phones and GPS trackers - AMAZING!! I'll be over at Virgin loving the all adult cruises. and the let them eat the full consequences of their mistakes/transgressions. with my parents unless it was my life, limb or eyesight i was dealing with it from a very young age. i am so VERY thankful i was raised with the final free range / latch key kids. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mkkao924 Posted July 25, 2022 Author #19 Share Posted July 25, 2022 21 hours ago, hallux said: The AirTag, like similar products, relies on other iPhone owners' devices 'reading' the tag and reporting to the system where it was on earth using their device's GPS location at the time of the encounter. Within 5 seconds that location is out of date, not to mention that location is going to be a random spot in the middle of the ocean rather than being identified as on the ship. Oh, and GPS signals are often blocked inside the metal of the ship, especially where the kids clubs are usually located. It relies on those devices that encounter the tag having a constant internet connection as well. Imagine someone's device encountering your child, then 30 minutes later they turn on their internet. You go to look at the location of that tag and it's 30 or more miles BEHIND the ship because another device hasn't encountered the tag since then. IMO - they're best used on land or for tracking bags that are handed over to an airline for a flight. In other words, it'll more of a game of "hot or cold" than a "OH, THAT'S where they are!" A story about a Tile tag situation. My sister had one in her checked bag when we flew home from LA. We had a layover in Philadelphia. When we got to our home airport the tag was "seen" in Chicago! My assumption being that someone sitting on the plane near her bag that was also a Tile community member had picked up her Tile, that person deboarded the first flight and proceeded to a flight to Chicago from Philadelphia. That person landed in Chicago before we got to our home airport and their app reported in their location in Chicago as the location of her bag, UNTIL someone in our airport encountered her tag and reported the location. Thanks for the explanation! I just got AirTag last month and will use it to track luggage for our upcoming cruise. I guess I will use the old fashioned kids backpack with leash then (kidding!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSUjohn Posted July 25, 2022 #20 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, CrazyTrain2 said: I'll be over at Virgin loving the all adult cruises. i know i am getting old, because my ideal adult cruise would be 25+ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted July 25, 2022 #21 Share Posted July 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, MSUjohn said: and the let them eat the full consequences of their mistakes/transgressions. with my parents unless it was my life, limb or eyesight i was dealing with it from a very young age. i am so VERY thankful i was raised with the final free range / latch key kids. Back then the general population did not know there were preditors and traffickers. They existed and molested children but it was kept secret. Children do need protection in our society as it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSUjohn Posted July 25, 2022 #22 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Charles4515 said: Back then the general population did not know there were preditors and traffickers. They existed and molested children but it was kept secret. Children do need protection in our society as it is now. Edited July 25, 2022 by MSUjohn hidden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSUjohn Posted July 25, 2022 #23 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, Charles4515 said: I would guess you will only be able to tell they are on the ship. If you have a later iPhone and can use precision tracking you would still have to have a general idea where they are. "Trafficking" is a moral panic and "predators".... stranger danger is grossly overstated....(and is the lasting moral panic that wont die) the VAST majority of actually predation on said prepubescents is by a "person of trust" (family member/ close family friend/ respected member of town). i am saying this as a prison guard...who is definitely NOT at work typing this a mere 25 yards from an individual that snatched, "assaulted*", murdered and dumped an 11 year old girl in the 1970s this got dark, fast. back to cruising: i am really looking forward to my lisbon to new york TA. *changed because they hid my post Edited July 25, 2022 by MSUjohn 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyTrain2 Posted July 26, 2022 #24 Share Posted July 26, 2022 In case you were not aware, a cruise ship is perhaps the most video controlled secure environment in the world deploying video surveillance and facial recognition throughout the ship. Every passenger is tracked throughout the day and throughout the ship. Yes, you agreed to this in your sailing contract. The data is not only used for security, but also to track passenger movement between locations and through high value areas (shopping/spa/casino/sail again/etc). It influences the design of the ship since they try to maximize your exposure to these areas tempting you to spend more on board. So not only is there a safety motive but more importantly a PROFIT motive to cameras and surveillance. Not to mention there is NO anonymity on board a ship nor much possibility of escape if caught. So it it highly unlikely a child predator would be very effective on board a ship. A cruise ship may be target rich but opportunity poor and high consequences. Now, all bets are off on the intoxicated idiots but overall kids are pretty darn safe on board. Stand down heli-parents, it will be fine. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted July 26, 2022 #25 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 hours ago, CrazyTrain2 said: In case you were not aware, a cruise ship is perhaps the most video controlled secure environment in the world deploying video surveillance and facial recognition throughout the ship. Every passenger is tracked throughout the day and throughout the ship. Yes, you agreed to this in your sailing contract. The data is not only used for security, but also to track passenger movement between locations and through high value areas (shopping/spa/casino/sail again/etc). It influences the design of the ship since they try to maximize your exposure to these areas tempting you to spend more on board. So not only is there a safety motive but more importantly a PROFIT motive to cameras and surveillance. Not to mention there is NO anonymity on board a ship nor much possibility of escape if caught. So it it highly unlikely a child predator would be very effective on board a ship. A cruise ship may be target rich but opportunity poor and high consequences. Now, all bets are off on the intoxicated idiots but overall kids are pretty darn safe on board. Stand down heli-parents, it will be fine. You are naive. There have been predators caught on cruise ships and there is crime. There have been rapes and sexual assaults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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