Dancer Bob Posted April 25, 2023 #26 Share Posted April 25, 2023 I agree with the open-jaw solution but you're leaving out the ATH-ROM leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted April 25, 2023 #27 Share Posted April 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Dancer Bob said: I agree with the open-jaw solution but you're leaving out the ATH-ROM leg. No. What you want to do is purchase an open-jaw USA-ATH with FCO-USA. Then, purchase a completely separate ticket for the ATH-FCO segment. Don't put ATH-FCO on the ticket to/from the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterbug123 Posted April 25, 2023 #28 Share Posted April 25, 2023 13 hours ago, Dancer Bob said: I agree with the open-jaw solution but you're leaving out the ATH-ROM leg. That is easily booked on a separate ticket on Aegean. Or possibly ITA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbee Posted April 25, 2023 #29 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Dancer Bob said: I agree with the open-jaw solution but you're leaving out the ATH-ROM leg. Easy to find a one-way flight in Europe for next to nothing Edited April 25, 2023 by scottbee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tscoffey Posted April 26, 2023 Author #30 Share Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) On 4/24/2023 at 8:06 PM, Dancer Bob said: I agree with the open-jaw solution but you're leaving out the ATH-ROM leg. If I add in the ATH-ROM flight to a multi-city search, the price jumps from around $900 person to $1500. ($600 extra for what is maybe an $80-140 one-way flight) Not sure if I am adding the flight incorrectly, or if 3-flight multi-city itineraries just work that way. I searched using similar weekdays in February, 2024, , and flight intervals, since flights in early April, 2024 are not yet available. Edited April 26, 2023 by tscoffey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globaliser Posted April 26, 2023 #31 Share Posted April 26, 2023 3 hours ago, tscoffey said: If I add in the ATH-ROM flight to a multi-city search, the price jumps from around $900 person to $1500. ($600 extra for what is maybe an $80-140 one-way flight) Not sure if I am adding the flight incorrectly, or if 3-flight multi-city itineraries just work that way. I searched using similar weekdays in February, 2024, , and flight intervals, since flights in early April, 2024 are not yet available. I haven't researched this exhaustively for your situation, but the likely reason is the rules for different possible fares, along these lines. If you price USA-Athens//Athens-Rome//Rome-USA in a single itinerary, a price will be returned that is fared in one of the following ways: 1. 50% of USA-Athens-USA with no stopover needed (fare A) plus 50% of USA-Athens-USA with a stopover in Rome (fare B). Fare A must be combinable with fare B. If you're lucky, fare A could be the same as fare B - in other words, the rules of the cheapest fare allow the stopover. However, sometimes the cheapest fare does not allow stopovers, so fare B is more expensive than fare A and the combined price goes up. Also, sometimes the cheapest fare cannot combine with fare B, so a more expensive fare must be used for both fare A and fare B. 2. 50% of USA-Athens-USA with no stopover needed (fare C) plus 50% of USA-Rome-USA (fare D) plus 100% of Athens-Rome (fare E). Fare C, fare D and fare E must all be combinable with each other. In this situation, you don't need fare D to allow a stopover. However, it may be that the cheapest fares cannot combine with fare E (especially if fare E is a different airline's fare), so more expensive fares must be used for both fare C and fare D. If you price USA-Athens//Rome-USA alone, then the price is 50% of USA-Athens-USA with no stopover needed (fare C) plus 50% of USA-Rome-USA with no stopover needed (fare D). The only real restriction here is that fare C and fare D must be combinable with each other, but because it isn't difficult to find a single airline (or airline group) that offers both USA-Athens-USA and USA-Rome-USA fares, this tends not to be a problem. That is why open-jaw pricing for itineraries like USA-Athens//Rome-USA can work so well. And in your particular situation, it really doesn't matter that Athens-Rome is on a separate ticket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancer Bob Posted April 26, 2023 #32 Share Posted April 26, 2023 scottbee's solution left the OP sitting in Athens after the cruise, the cost quoted didn't include the ATH-ROM flight. It should have been clearly stated to the OP that ATH-ROM is an entirely separate flight, almost certainly one-way on a different carrier, that it doesn't matter which airport he flies to, and the pitfalls of European low-cost carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globaliser Posted April 26, 2023 #33 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Dancer Bob said: scottbee's solution left the OP sitting in Athens after the cruise, the cost quoted didn't include the ATH-ROM flight. It should have been clearly stated to the OP that ATH-ROM is an entirely separate flight, almost certainly one-way on a different carrier, that it doesn't matter which airport he flies to, and the pitfalls of European low-cost carriers. As I read it, scottbee's post seemed to be addressing exactly the same thing that I've just posted about above: the significant increase in price if trying to add Athens-Rome in to the same itinerary as the inter-continental flights. The answer is to leave the Athens-Rome flight out of the search. I think that everyone (including the OP) already understood that Athens-Rome would then be bought separately. I doubt that any of us thinks that walking or swimming that part of the trip is a feasible option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbee Posted April 26, 2023 #34 Share Posted April 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Globaliser said: As I read it, scottbee's post seemed to be addressing exactly the same thing that I've just posted about above: the significant increase in price if trying to add Athens-Rome in to the same itinerary as the inter-continental flights. The answer is to leave the Athens-Rome flight out of the search. I think that everyone (including the OP) already understood that Athens-Rome would then be bought separately. I doubt that any of us thinks that walking or swimming that part of the trip is a feasible option. Sorry if I didn't make this clear enough Ticket1: Ohio-ATH FCO-Ohio Ticket 2 ATH-FCO (there are a lot of carriers, ITA, Agean, SkyExpress, RyanAir) This ticket should be around US$150 w/ luggage fees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Haljo1935 Posted June 6, 2023 #35 Share Posted June 6, 2023 On 4/21/2023 at 6:41 PM, tscoffey said: Is there any possibility of skipping that initial hop to Rome first, which I do so that Ohio<-->Rome is a roundtrip, and go straight to Athens, then return to Ohio from Rome? Whenever I price that as 2 one-way flights it is almost double. Can a TA get me a better deal on those 2 one-way trips? This was my question/suggestion as well. But do it as a multi-city rather than 2-one way tickets; that's usually less expensive. Let us know your final outcome and enjoy your trip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tscoffey Posted June 8, 2023 Author #36 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) I ended up reserving a multi-city, Ohio to Athens, Rome to Ohio with Celebrity at just over $1000 per person.today, I booked the Aegean Air one-way from Athens to Rome for $62 per person (on the first day that flight from Aegean became available - I’ve been checking every day for 3 weeks). I had been hoping for a cheaper multi-city itinerary, but it seems that early April is the start of the tourist season in Italy, so prices jump quite a bit compared to early March. All in all, I am quite satisfied with the end result. We’ll have 2 1/2 days in Athens pre-cruise, and a wonderful almost 5 days in Rome post-cruise. (Oh, and the cruise has 3 days in Israel, and 2 days in Egypt - with once-in-a-lifetime visits to classic sites of antiquity). Edited June 8, 2023 by tscoffey 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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