Papadog Posted October 6 #651 Share Posted October 6 2 hours ago, as3369 said: On a positive note, Living on a cruise posted that the toilets are operable. Sometimes the small things are the biggest things. The toilets are not working in some cabins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leither Posted October 6 #652 Share Posted October 6 According to VesselFinder it hasn’t moved for 13 hours now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leither Posted October 6 #653 Share Posted October 6 Just now, Leither said: According to VesselFinder it hasn’t moved for 13 hours now. 1 minute ago, Leither said: According to VesselFinder it hasn’t moved for 13 hours now. Or more correctly, that was the last time its position was reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
as3369 Posted October 6 #654 Share Posted October 6 2 minutes ago, Leither said: According to VesselFinder it hasn’t moved for 13 hours now. Try MarineTraffic....updated 17 minutes ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiggerTails Posted October 6 #655 Share Posted October 6 (edited) Did Bilbao take them off the schedule? Edited October 6 by TiggerTails Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni66 Posted October 6 #656 Share Posted October 6 its a matter of time until they run out of cash. 125 people on board not paying monthly fees (in lieu of the money the spent for accommodation in Belfast etc.. ) The numbers do not add up ! the costs will eat into, if any left, cash reserves. Not too long before the creditors impound the vessel... Let's remember they are already 10m over their original budget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papadog Posted October 6 #657 Share Posted October 6 1 hour ago, TiggerTails said: Did Bilbao take them off the schedule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papadog Posted October 6 #658 Share Posted October 6 Just now, Papadog said: 1 hour ago, TiggerTails said: Did Bilbao take them off the schedule? VV facebook page claims they will be in Bilbao for 2 days. Itinerary show 1 day...Maybe xtra day to do some repairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKCruiseJeff Posted October 7 #659 Share Posted October 7 1 hour ago, Papadog said: VV facebook page claims they will be in Bilbao for 2 days. Itinerary show 1 day...Maybe xtra day to do some repairs. Or for Johan to get off and get some breakfast. And for the others to have a break from the thin processed square ham slices and the thin processed square cheese slices. They might yearn for some round slices for a bit of a change. 😁 Jeff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leither Posted October 7 #660 Share Posted October 7 Odyssey has docked in Bilbao at about 07:00 U.K. time. She was assisted by a tug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni66 Posted October 7 #661 Share Posted October 7 I see that their YouTube couples have not being posting as much... What is really going on ? Is there any one who has more inside ? Why Mike and Kathy left together ? Is there money for fuel, crew etc ? And finally are there more clients other that the 125 ? .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni66 Posted October 7 #662 Share Posted October 7 (edited) At the moment it looks like crew outnumbers the passengers.. hmmm 🤔 How long can they go before cash runs out ? Did the managers flee the ship ? Edited October 7 by Giovanni66 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StorylineQuestions Posted October 7 #663 Share Posted October 7 The following is from my Marine Traffic app notifications. I have no other information. NOTIFICATION ODYSSEY has moved away from GALDAMES (Fire Fighting Vessel) The two vessels stayed in proximity for 44 minutes. Time: 2024-10-07 06:12 UTC Position: N 43° 20.32', W 003° 01.49' Speed/Course: 0.2 knots / 71° Area: UKC - Biscay Bay Source of Position: TERR-AIS The following information is available to MarineTraffic subscribers only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni66 Posted October 7 #664 Share Posted October 7 4 minutes ago, StorylineQuestions said: The following is from my Marine Traffic app notifications. I have no other information. NOTIFICATION ODYSSEY has moved away from GALDAMES (Fire Fighting Vessel) The two vessels stayed in proximity for 44 minutes. Time: 2024-10-07 06:12 UTC Position: N 43° 20.32', W 003° 01.49' Speed/Course: 0.2 knots / 71° Area: UKC - Biscay Bay Source of Position: TERR-AIS The following information is available to MarineTraffic subscribers only If you are a subscriber to marinetraffic, do they show the passangers/crew on board ? Usually ships add that info to their onboard AIS transmitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKCruiseJeff Posted October 7 #665 Share Posted October 7 29 minutes ago, Giovanni66 said: At the moment it looks like crew outnumbers the passengers.. hmmm 🤔 How long can they go before cash runs out ? Did the managers flee the ship ? It might be that they are simply trying to raise some cash? Hence both of them. There is a powerful argument that they could make to original investors that there is a danger that if more investment isn’t made available now then their original investment is at risk. In other words whilst your original investment may be at risk, but by investing more, then they can provide reassurance to new purchasers that the corner has turned and everything is now “OK” and on an “even keel”. It either works or doesn’t. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni66 Posted October 7 #666 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 28 minutes ago, UKCruiseJeff said: It might be that they are simply trying to raise some cash? Hence both of them. There is a powerful argument that they could make to original investors that there is a danger that if more investment isn’t made available now then their original investment is at risk. In other words whilst your original investment may be at risk, but by investing more, then they can provide reassurance to new purchasers that the corner has turned and everything is now “OK” and on an “even keel”. It either works or doesn’t. Jeff What you describe sounds like a hostage situation. It may work for a while but you would be looking 2 million per month in operating expenses. I understand that their handful of passengers are on cruise credit and will not pay monthly fees, for a couple of months, to make up the delay/accommodation expenses. How the expenses will be covered ? How long will the bank wait before they arrest the ship ? Are they so naive to buy into this bluff ? Edited October 7 by Giovanni66 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKCruiseJeff Posted October 7 #667 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Giovanni66 said: What you describe sounds like a hostage situation. It may work for a while but you would be looking 2 million per month in operating expenses. I understand that their handful of passengers are cruise credit and will not pay monthly fees, for a couple of months, to make up the delay. How the expenses will be covered ? How long will the bank wait before they arrest the ship ? Are they so naive to buy into this bluff ? I haven’t suggested or implied that what seems inevitable will not happen. I haven’t suggested that what I have speculated will be successful. I have simply suggested one option they may be seeking that may explain why both have left instead of staying on board at an important moment. Jeff Edited October 7 by UKCruiseJeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leither Posted October 7 #668 Share Posted October 7 41 minutes ago, StorylineQuestions said: The following is from my Marine Traffic app notifications. I have no other information. NOTIFICATION ODYSSEY has moved away from GALDAMES (Fire Fighting Vessel) The two vessels stayed in proximity for 44 minutes. Time: 2024-10-07 06:12 UTC Position: N 43° 20.32', W 003° 01.49' Speed/Course: 0.2 knots / 71° Area: UKC - Biscay Bay Source of Position: TERR-AIS The following information is available to MarineTraffic subscribers only According to VesselFinder, Galdames is a tug and certainly looks like one in the photo, rather than a firefighting vessel. If appeared to be guiding Odyssey into the berth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d9704011 Posted October 7 #669 Share Posted October 7 3 minutes ago, Leither said: According to VesselFinder, Galdames is a tug and certainly looks like one in the photo, rather than a firefighting vessel. If appeared to be guiding Odyssey into the berth. I agree, primary purpose is as a tug. Many tugs are fitted with firefighting equipment (fire monitors); it's a useful and sensible dual-purpose role for safety purposes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni66 Posted October 7 #670 Share Posted October 7 Just now, d9704011 said: I agree, primary purpose is as a tug. Many tugs are fitted with firefighting equipment (fire monitors); it's a useful and sensible dual-purpose role for safety purposes. most port tugs have Fire fighting capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BND Posted October 7 #671 Share Posted October 7 They are docked and ashore in Bilbao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
as3369 Posted October 7 #672 Share Posted October 7 Glad to see that they are on terra firma. Hope they all have a wonderful day! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port2PortX Posted October 7 #673 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 6 hours ago, Giovanni66 said: I see that their YouTube couples have not being posting as much... What is really going on ? Is there any one who has more inside ? Why Mike and Kathy left together ? Is there money for fuel, crew etc ? And finally are there more clients other that the 125 ? .. You can follow MidLife Cruising on Facebook for updates. They just posted pictures an hour ago. Edited October 7 by Port2PortX space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BND Posted October 7 #674 Share Posted October 7 29 minutes ago, Port2PortX said: You can follow MidLife Cruising on Facebook for updates. They just posted pictures an hour ago. They also posted a live on YT and on TikTok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacMadame Posted October 8 #675 Share Posted October 8 On 10/2/2024 at 4:16 AM, chengkp75 said: I fear that even if, by some chance, the company continues its business model, that folks will tire of the "cruise life" experience after 6 months or so, and find their asset has depreciated or few buyers to get them out of the deal. I was surprised how many people who signed up for LAS were first-time cruisers. How do they know they like cruising for even 3 days let alone 3 years? On 10/2/2024 at 6:13 AM, UKCruiseJeff said: If VVR places (unforeseen) obstacles in order to prevent a resale then presumably the existing owner would be on the hook for future monthly payments until a sale has been successful. That is already how it works. It's on their website. It's no different from a mortgage. You don't stop paying it when your house goes on the market. VVR also said they would buy your cabin back at a known but depreciated rate. So if you can't find someone to buy it, you can still get out by reselling it to VV. (Now this assumes they have the money and are still in business.) Personally, I think VVR has an incentive to get people to resell. New owners mean they get to raise the monthly fees. On 10/5/2024 at 3:57 AM, UKCruiseJeff said: Did the LAS customers lose all of their money? I have friends who signed up for LAS. They were promised refunds that never came so they did chargebacks for the parts of the fees they had paid via CC. They did get most of it back but not 100%. On 10/5/2024 at 12:17 PM, UKCruiseJeff said: At first he was very supportive of Jenny Phenix when he needed her cooperation and sought her trust and posted her two detailed uploads. I found her balanced and reasonable. Then he seemed to turn on her. In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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