Just off the Crown Princess - some thoughts

[drummondcreek]

Can you tell me which ones these are? Is it just Oceania?

 

:( I am really worried after reading about the extensive smoke smell on the Crown Princess. I am asthmatic, so it's not just an "anti-smoker" mentality, it's a major health issue for me. I can't risk a 7 day cruise with smoke smell the whole time. I don't know what to do.:confused:

 

 

From my latest research - we are giving up on Princess for reasons other than smoking - it seems like RCI is leading the way in restricting smoking. Their smaller line, similar to Oceanea, Azamara is smoke free other than in two designated smoking areas. No cabins, no balconies, not even in the casino.

[sidari]

drummondcreek..having re read your post and my own from yesterday i think i may have mis read yours regarding the pizza / swearing thing! if i did misunderstand it because like us you are Non smokers then i apologise..if i didnt then i stand by my comments...:D

[PescadoAmarillo]

You can still smoke on your balcony on Royal Caribbean, just not in your cabin.

My understanding is that you can smoke on starboard balconies only.

[drummondcreek]

drummondcreek..having re read your post and my own from yesterday i think i may have mis read yours regarding the pizza / swearing thing! if i did misunderstand it because like us you are Non smokers then i apologise..if i didnt then i stand by my comments...:D

 

No offense taken. We in the colonies are used to being misunderstood by Britian!;)

I should know better than to have tried sarcasm on a post but the swearing and quotes about "it being a free country so I get to smoke" were too unbelievable to resist.

 

"Smarties are better than M&M's - lets see if the Americans can figure that one out!

[F355c5]

From my latest research - we are giving up on Princess for reasons other than smoking - it seems like RCI is leading the way in restricting smoking. Their smaller line, similar to Oceanea, Azamara is smoke free other than in two designated smoking areas. No cabins, no balconies, not even in the casino.

 

Bet they change back.. No smoking has been tried before and did not work.

Casino ha-ha . Most gamblers are smokers. Gamblers not 5 dollar BJ or slot players. See I want to bet they change--I'm a smoker a gambler and perfume hater. I wish were was a no smoking ship ,just to make all the flamers happy --boy would that ship stink of perfume

[chasinraynbowz]

[quote name='F355c5']Bet they change back.. No smoking has been tried before and did not work.
Casino ha-ha . Most gamblers are smokers. Gamblers not 5 dollar BJ or slot players. See I want to bet they change--I'm a smoker a gambler and perfume hater. I wish were was a no smoking ship ,just to make all the flamers happy --boy would that ship stink of perfume[/quote]

Are you just trying to pick a fight? Ok, you smoke. We all know that. I smoke too, but I am NOT going to subject non smokers to my smoke. Its my right to smoke and its their right not to.

Grow up.

[Clutterlady]

[quote name='PescadoAmarillo']My understanding is that you can smoke on starboard balconies only.[/quote]

Just did some research, and from what I'm reading, all balconies are smoking. It is not restricted to starboard. Don't understand if you're smoking on your balcony and you have your balcony door open, how do you keep the smoke from going into your room????? Yes, I know, keep the door shut:D

[F355c5]

[quote name='chasinraynbowz']Are you just trying to pick a fight? Ok, you smoke. We all know that. I smoke too, but I am NOT going to subject non smokers to my smoke. Its my right to smoke and its their right not to.

Grow up.[/QUOTE]

My point is non smoking ships fail. It must have eluded you.

[BruceMuzz]

The Cruise Lines have done extensive (and expensive) market research on smoking.
10% of the American population smokes.
20% of the American Cruising population smokes.

So if you want to double your chances of meeting a smoker on your holiday, you should take a cruise.

The Cruise Industry is not about to alienate 20% of their customers. For every non-smoker who vows newver to sail on a smoking cruise ship, there are 10 more non-smokers waiting to take his place. It is a very simple business formula.

Now that you have this valuable information, you have a choice: If you are a rabid non-smoker who wants to be a masochist, take a cruise on a mass-market cruise ship.

[NthernLgts]

Bruce, you are right. It is a very simple business formula. One that has had attempts at alteration (i.e non-smoking experiments), with marginal success at best. Having said that, I do believe there is are better solutions for smokers and non-smokers alike than the weak attempts being offered by most cruise lines. One thing cruise lines could do is offer a selection of non-smoking cabins as well as smoking friendly cabins, both strategically placed on the ship. The smoking cabins could be booked by smokers or non-smokers alike, but at least everyone would know up front what they are booking. I think any line making an attempt to accommodate both sides in an equitable fashion would get a lot of positive pub from it.

[sidari]

F355c5...My point is non smoking ships fail. It must have eluded you.


drummondcreek...Their smaller line, similar to Oceanea, Azamara is smoke free other than in two designated smoking areas. No cabins, no balconies, not even in the casino.

seems like almost non smoking ships do not fail!!

[doodlefan]

[quote name='ellbon'] I still smoke on my balcony aND in he cigar mostly. But I am so tired of people who talk about smoking instead of how to improve the cruise for others. [/quote]

In my opinion banning smoking in the cabins and casino WOULD improve the cruise for others.

It's not like 20 years ago when we didn't know the damage second hand smoke did, we know it can cause cancer now and why should ANYONE paying $$$ for a cruise have to breathe in smoke from someone who chooses to play Russian roulette with their life. If people want to smoke FINE, but they should have to do it where other people don't have to breathe it in. No matter how you look at it, smokers are in the wrong. If it's something that can hurt others, it shouldn't be allowed at all.

I'm sure Ill get flamed for this but I honestly fail to see how smokers get away with contaminating air and exposing people to carcinogens and agents that cause cancer. It actually boggles my mind. People with HIV can be charged for knowingly exposing others to their diseases, how come smokers can blow cancer causing smoke in contained areas like the casino and it's deemed okay and us "anti-smokers" get labelled whiners. :eek:

[friend of Eeyore]

[quote name='scarlett68']Can you tell me which ones these are? Is it just Oceania?

:( I am really worried after reading about the extensive smoke smell on the Crown Princess. I am asthmatic, so it's not just an "anti-smoker" mentality, it's a major health issue for me. I can't risk a 7 day cruise with smoke smell the whole time. I don't know what to do.:confused:[/quote]
I was on the Crown Princess, actually right next door to the OP (a year and a half ago). The only smoke problem [U]we[/U] had was from the cigar smoker who happened to be in the OP's cabin, and that was only when he was out on the balcony smoking. Makes you wonder what's changed in that short, "private" hallway in the past year & 1/2. - The stairs there are for emergencies only, I think, but there is a crew stairway (or area?) there also, so perhaps there was some smoking going on there this past cruise - maybe a greater mention to the purser's desk / hotel manager would do some good.

We are also both asthmatic, and generally haven't have a problem on the Princess ships we've been on so far - just stay away from the smoking areas of the bars, and look for the non-smoking night in the casino.
[quote name='drummondcreek']No offense taken. We in the colonies are used to being misunderstood by Britian!;)
I should know better than to have tried sarcasm on a post but the swearing and quotes about "it being a free country so I get to smoke" were too unbelievable to resist.

"Smarties are better than M&M's - lets see if the Americans can figure that one out![/quote]
I'm an American, and I know what you're talking about, and M&Ms are [U]much[/U] better. Smarties have an odd taste. Of course, [U]American[/U] Smarties are better than M&Ms - love that tart/sweet taste!
[quote name='Clutterlady']Just did some research, and from what I'm reading, all balconies are smoking. It is not restricted to starboard. Don't understand if you're smoking on your balcony and you have your balcony door open, how do you keep the smoke from going into your room????? Yes, I know, keep the door shut:D[/quote]
I think the poster you're referencing was talking about RCL ships - they may have balcony smoking on alternate sides (I don't know, I haven't done the research). Unfortunately, for now, Princess allows smoking in all staterooms and all balconies. (And for those that try to say that "they tried a non-smoking ship and it failed", that was ONE ship sailing the SAME itinerary over and over again- they need to change it up a little, or people will get bored.)

[F355c5]

[quote name='doodlefan']In my opinion banning smoking in the cabins and casino WOULD improve the cruise for others.

It's not like 20 years ago when we didn't know the damage second hand smoke did, we know it can cause cancer now and why should ANYONE paying $$$ for a cruise have to breathe in smoke from someone who chooses to play Russian roulette with their life. If people want to smoke FINE, but they should have to do it where other people don't have to breathe it in. No matter how you look at it, smokers are in the wrong. If it's something that can hurt others, it shouldn't be allowed at all.

I'm sure Ill get flamed for this but I honestly fail to see how smokers get away with contaminating air and exposing people to carcinogens and agents that cause cancer. It actually boggles my mind. People with HIV can be charged for knowingly exposing others to their diseases, how come smokers can blow cancer causing smoke in contained areas like the casino and it's deemed okay and us "anti-smokers" get labelled whiners. :eek:[/QUOTE]

Don't fall off your soap box , you might get hurt and have to sue the box maker. Posts like yours serve no purpose.

[doodlefan]

[quote name='F355c5']Perfume banned Usually found on anti smokers.
Overly perfumed people make me sick. Truely sick.
Let's outlaw all perfume.[/quote]

Okay, so YOUR post serves a purpose? Please. You want to outlaw all perfume but I'm wrong to want to outlaw all smokers. Hypocrit much?

I have MY opinion and you have yours. And I'll post mine if I want to just like you did. The difference is you don't like mine about smokers because YOU are ONE!

[zacc]

[quote name='doodlefan']In my opinion banning smoking in the cabins and casino WOULD improve the cruise for others.

It's not like 20 years ago when we didn't know the damage second hand smoke did, we know it can cause cancer now and why should ANYONE paying $$$ for a cruise have to breathe in smoke from someone who chooses to play Russian roulette with their life. If people want to smoke FINE, but they should have to do it where other people don't have to breathe it in. No matter how you look at it, smokers are in the wrong. If it's something that can hurt others, it shouldn't be allowed at all.

I'm sure Ill get flamed for this but I honestly fail to see how smokers get away with contaminating air and exposing people to carcinogens and agents that cause cancer. It actually boggles my mind. People with HIV can be charged for knowingly exposing others to their diseases, how come smokers can blow cancer causing smoke in contained areas like the casino and it's deemed okay and us "anti-smokers" get labelled whiners. :eek:[/quote]
Let me start by pointing out that I am an ex smoker who believes that smokers have a right to smoke.

Your comparision of smoking to HIV is one of the reasons many people label anti-smokers as whiners.....they use arguments which have no basis.....its like saying the reason not to is just because. Smoking, whether one agrees with it or not, is a highly visible and an unmistakeable event. HIV is silent, the partner only knows if the carrier elects to tell them he/she has it. Apples to pears. Our everyday life constantly exposes us to activities which are unhealthy to us. To eliminate them all would basically eliminate the course of our everyday lives. Perhaps the answer lies not in eliminating, but rather in recognizing a problem and addressing it.....looking for ways to make it good to all exposed. Could it be that an improved ventilation system in the casino, along with smoking/nonsmoking areas, might handle the smoke problem in the casino?

An anti-smoker is a whiner if they refuse to recognize that smoking is an individual decision....one which each person has the right to make....and argues based on the idea that only their feelings are correct. I have found that most smokers tend to be quite courteous about their smoking until approached by someone who preaches to them about their rights as a non-smoker.

[drummondcreek]

Smokers are a dying breed.

[teripp]

[quote name='F355c5']Don't fall off your soap box , you might get hurt and have to sue the box maker. Posts like yours serve no purpose.[/quote]

Doodlefan is just trying stir things up. As you can see from his 8:58 pm post. I AM a smoker. I am respectful of indoor smoking ban and alternate sides of the ship areas. I WILL smoke on MY balcony. Nothing more to say.

[teripp]

[quote name='zacc']Let me start by pointing out that I am an ex smoker who believes that smokers have a right to smoke.

Your comparision of smoking to HIV is one of the reasons many people label anti-smokers as whiners.....they use arguments which have no basis.....its like saying the reason not to is just because. Smoking, whether one agrees with it or not, is a highly visible and an unmistakeable event. HIV is silent, the partner only knows if the carrier elects to tell them he/she has it. Apples to pears. Our everyday life constantly exposes us to activities which are unhealthy to us. To eliminate them all would basically eliminate the course of our everyday lives. Perhaps the answer lies not in eliminating, but rather in recognizing a problem and addressing it.....looking for ways to make it good to all exposed. Could it be that an improved ventilation system in the casino, along with smoking/nonsmoking areas, might handle the smoke problem in the casino?

An anti-smoker is a whiner if they refuse to recognize that smoking is an individual decision....one which each person has the right to make....and argues based on the idea that only their feelings are correct. I have found that most smokers tend to be quite courteous about their smoking until approached by someone who preaches to them about their rights as a non-smoker.[/quote]


Bravo!!

[Familycruzer11]

Sorry to interrupt the smoke/no smoke exchange - but I have a question for the OP..

What time did you try to use the gym? Only 5 ellipticals ?? It my favorite exercise and I am really counting on it so I can otherwise indulge..

Were there smokers in the gym?... okay - just kidding, but I am concerned about best time to go to the gym to get an elliptical..

thx!

[B40 Tha Cruisa]

[quote name='teripp']Doodlefan is just trying stir things up. As you can see from his 8:58 pm post. I AM a smoker. I am respectful of indoor smoking ban and alternate sides of the ship areas. I WILL smoke on MY balcony. Nothing more to say.[/quote]

You are pretty stedfast about this. Say I was on the balcony next to you, and I asked nicely: Could you please put that out?
Would you:
A. Say sure, if it is bothering you.
B. Say Hit the bricks, go inside, ill smoke if I want.
C. Blow smoke in my face.

[CruiseDuck]

We're booked in this same cabin (B749) for a B2B in April. I have cruised Princess many times before and have never had a cabin that smelled like smoke. I'm hoping that they have taken care of the problem by the time we board. I do not mind people enjoying a smoke on their balcony I just do not want to smell it in my cabin....

Did you you enjoy the extra large balcony? How was the movement in the cabin?

Thanks for the tip about the Wi-Fi in San Juan. Did you pick it up in the cabin or on the balcony?

How was the bed in the cabin? Comfortable or do we need an egg crate?

[F355c5]

[quote name='B40 Tha Cruisa']You are pretty stedfast about this. Say I was on the balcony next to you, and I asked nicely: Could you please put that out?
Would you:
A. Say sure, if it is bothering you.
B. Say Hit the bricks, go inside, ill smoke if I want.
C. Blow smoke in my face.[/QUOTE]

Not a lot of choices A B C
D. I only smoke a cigarette 1 or 2 times an hour and will try a smoke when you are not on your balony, but if I am smoking don,t come out or shut your door for 5 mins.

E. if you keep pestering me about smoking--I will switch to cigars

[teripp]

[quote name='B40 Tha Cruisa']You are pretty stedfast about this. Say I was on the balcony next to you, and I asked nicely: Could you please put that out?
Would you:
A. Say sure, if it is bothering you.
B. Say Hit the bricks, go inside, ill smoke if I want.
C. Blow smoke in my face.[/quote]

D. Come up with a compromise.(especially if you were nice) :)
If you expected me not to smoke [U]every[/U] time you were outside then how fair is that to me ?(or anyone else) I would very readily not smoke as much when you were on the balcony or try to smoke when there was no one in your balcony. Then I would have no problem. Compromise is the key. I think I was steadfast because the poster was. I was just copying his (or her...)style... I am told that I am a very courtous smoker so I would not be the issue. I just get annoyed with people who believe it is their right and only their right to do what they want with out compromise at all.

[sidari]

Your comparision of smoking to HIV is one of the reasons many people label anti-smokers as whiners.....they use arguments which have no basis..

Tell that to Roy Castle!!!

oh no you cant because he is Dead ...caused through performing in clubs and other places where he had no choice but to breathe in 2nd hand smoke!

Compromise by all means.

C. Blow smoke in my face .... sure if you did that with me, my 3 lads would have you dangling by your ankles over the side...:eek: