The Destiny

Dude, the ship is still the same length and same tonnage...

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Sunshine

 

It's still the same length as the Triumph with one less deck. I corrected you when you said that they lengthened the Destiny when they made it the Sunshine because that's simply not true. I've never been on the ship to say for sure, but I don't see how anyone on the ship could feel "less cheated" vs the victory or the triumph after the refit when the biggest parts of the refurb were to hack the show room by a deck to add more cabins and add Bulky water slides on the top decks. The ship may provide a better experience for many after the refit, but there's no way it can be "roomier".

 

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Reference the part I quoted. "Dude", I've sailed both ships (Triumph first) and I distinctly remember my impressions regarding both. Regardless of (a limited and incomplete set of) numerical statistics, I myself don't see how you can say whether I can feel "less cheated" by one ship versus another or not. But please note, I did include a sarcastic smiley with that part of my earlier comment.

There are several separate wiki articles (and others) regarding Destiny, Destiny class, Triumph class and Sunshine and I previously quoted one of those myself.

And let me see if this will help: It's very conceivable (but we'll probably never know now) that the pax-accessible length of Deck 4 on the old Destiny, just for example, was not as long as Deck 4 of the "larger" Triumph or Victory, which because they were built with larger capacity than Destiny gained their own class designation after being built. I mention Deck 4 specifically because I'm fond of roaming the quieter, less-traveled lower public areas of every ship I sail. The areas of Deck 3, 4 or 5 were exactly where I got the impression that Destiny was "shorter" (at least in usable pax area) than Triumph. Carnival rethought the design when they built subsequent Destiny-class ships, which were then redesignated as another class because they were bigger.

For the record, I sailed on Triumph in September 2008 and Destiny in September 2012. There were notable differences between the two.

But I'm reminded now why I stopped commenting on boards like this for so long. Specific to this instance, I'm nobody's "dude" and I personally don't like being addressed as such except by a friend.

And let me see if this will help: It's very conceivable (but we'll probably never know now) that the pax-accessible length of Deck 4 on the old Destiny, just for example, was not as long as Deck 4 of the "larger" Triumph or Victory, which because they were built with larger capacity than Destiny gained their own class designation after being built. I mention Deck 4 specifically because I'm fond of roaming the quieter, less-traveled lower public areas of every ship I sail. The areas of Deck 3, 4 or 5 were exactly where I got the impression that Destiny was "shorter" (at least in usable pax area) than Triumph. Carnival rethought the design when they built subsequent Destiny-class ships, which were then redesignated as another class because they were bigger.

 

For the record, I sailed on Triumph in September 2008 and Destiny in September 2012. There were notable differences between the two.

 

But I'm reminded now why I stopped commenting on boards like this for so long. Specific to this instance, I'm nobody's "dude" and I personally don't like being addressed as such except by a friend.

Pardon me sir, but if your contribution to these boards is to say they made a ship longer when they didn't you probably should stay off these boards.

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Thanks for confirming! Do you have anything I can read on this? I find the whole thing fascinating.

I don't frequent JH's blog, but there were a lot a references on these boards to what he was saying during the build up for the Sunshine.

Then the Triumph fire happened and that forced her in to drydock before the pieces were in place to get "Sunnied Up" and then the whole thing went away.

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I don't frequent JH's blog, but there were a lot a references on these boards to what he was saying during the build up for the Sunshine.

 

Then the Triumph fire happened and that forced her in to drydock before the pieces were in place to get "Sunnied Up" and then the whole thing went away. IMO, that was a good thing as the project did not make the Sunshine "Longer or bigger" and some may have felt cheated if that's what they thought the upgrade to the Destiny did.

 

 

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And let me see if this will help: It's very conceivable (but we'll probably never know now) that the pax-accessible length of Deck 4 on the old Destiny, just for example, was not as long as Deck 4 of the "larger" Triumph or Victory, which because they were built with larger capacity than Destiny gained their own class designation after being built. I mention Deck 4 specifically because I'm fond of roaming the quieter, less-traveled lower public areas of every ship I sail. The areas of Deck 3, 4 or 5 were exactly where I got the impression that Destiny was "shorter" (at least in usable pax area) than Triumph. Carnival rethought the design when they built subsequent Destiny-class ships, which were then redesignated as another class because they were bigger.

 

For the record, I sailed on Triumph in September 2008 and Destiny in September 2012. There were notable differences between the two.

 

But I'm reminded now why I stopped commenting on boards like this for so long. Specific to this instance, I'm nobody's "dude" and I personally don't like being addressed as such except by a friend.

My goodness this is so comical. The Sunshine, Triumph, and Victory are the exact same length. No the Sunshine was not stretched or made longer at all during its 2013 refurbishment. The only difference is that the Triumph and Victory initially had one more passenger deck than the Destiny did therefore they had a slightly higher passenger capacity. Even the Carnival website says they are the exact same length at 892 ft. The Conquest class is longer at 952 ft but those are a different class completely.

I sailed the Destiny out of San Juan for a week's southern itinerary back in 2008. Have never sailed it as the Sunshine, partly due to negative reports here on CC, but also because I tend not to book the really old Carnival ships.

Length, external. How about internal? Any stats on that? I hope it isn't so hard to understand that there are sometimes internal design differences from one ship to another, even in the same class -- and again, as everybody knows now, that was very true of the original Destiny versus Triumph and Victory. Again, this is why the second and third ships were later designated as a different class; Triumph class versus Destiny class. And like I said before, I sailed on Destiny after sailing on Triumph, and before Destiny was remade as Sunshine. Did you?

Maybe one of you can tell me the exact square footage and total length of the Casino deck passenger passageway on Glory versus the same deck on Conquest. I've sailed Conquest but not Glory. And how do those specs compare with the old Destiny? I'm dying to know and maybe one or both of you numbers experts can enlighten me. (Edit: And please, if you will, no shortcuts such as referring me to deck plans. That's too easy and inadequate for a diehard numbers-cruncher.)

And btw, yes Conquest is a different class now, but she was also originally built as Destiny class, before being stretched by "around 59 feet". Such things do happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest-class_cruise_ship

I don't frequent JH's blog, but there were a lot a references on these boards to what he was saying during the build up for the Sunshine.

 

Then the Triumph fire happened and that forced her in to drydock before the pieces were in place to get "Sunnied Up" and then the whole thing went away.

 

 

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I did frequent his blog at the top me and now that you mention it, I do remember him talking about it.

What was so bad about her?

The Sunshine is the lowest rated ship in the Carnival fleet...

Rumor has it they planned to "Sunshine" the Triumph and Victory as well, but the reception to Sunshine was so bad they scrapped those plans.

That could explain the trademark on the name "Carnival Sunrise" that Carnival applied for and then abandoned.

I was on Destiny in 2012, my 4th cruise and the now ex bf's first. It was the smallest ship I had been on but we had a wonderful time. The balcony cabin was well maintained and clean. I don;t recall us having any issues with any part of the cruise. Just my experience FWIW

That could explain the trademark on the name "Carnival Sunrise" that Carnival applied for and then abandoned.

Yup, that was on of them!

The Sunshine is the lowest rated ship in the Carnival fleet...

Source?

The Carnival Destiny was the prototype ship. Many derivatives exist of the ship more than just the Triumph and Victory. The Conquest class and even the Dream class all are based on the Carnival Destiny general arrangement plans. These ships are not exact copies of Carnival Destiny however they share many commonalities with the Destiny. Even the Costa ships Costa Fortuna, Magica, Concordia, and so on all share the Destiny platform.

I cruised the Destiny back in 99 and was impressed of her size back then. I even sailed the Costa Magica in 2005 and saw how they were much alike including the positioning of the restaurants with the pesky galley in the middle of the two of them.

Length, external. How about internal? Any stats on that? I hope it isn't so hard to understand that there are sometimes internal design differences from one ship to another, even in the same class -- and again, as everybody knows now, that was very true of the original Destiny versus Triumph and Victory. Again, this is why the second and third ships were later designated as a different class; Triumph class versus Destiny class. And like I said before, I sailed on Destiny after sailing on Triumph, and before Destiny was remade as Sunshine. Did you?

 

Maybe one of you can tell me the exact square footage and total length of the Casino deck passenger passageway on Glory versus the same deck on Conquest. I've sailed Conquest but not Glory. And how do those specs compare with the old Destiny? I'm dying to know and maybe one or both of you numbers experts can enlighten me. (Edit: And please, if you will, no shortcuts such as referring me to deck plans. That's too easy and inadequate for a diehard numbers-cruncher.)

 

And btw, yes Conquest is a different class now, but she was also originally built as Destiny class, before being stretched by "around 59 feet". Such things do happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest-class_cruise_ship

They are the exact same length and have nearly identical interior volumes. How do I know?

The Destiny was just over 100,000 gross registered tons and the Triumph/Victory are just over 102,000 gross registered tons (because of the extra deck).

Many people believe that the term "Gross Registered Tons" indicates a ships weight or mass but it doesn't. Gross Registered Tonnage (grt) is a measure of a ships interior volume. When the Destiny was renovated into the Sunshine it jumped from 100,000 grt to almost 103,000 grt. This was because of the extra 1.5 decks added at the top of the superstructure which added about 3,000 cubic units thus moving the gross registered tonnage or interior volume of the ship to 103,000 from 100,000.

 

Source?

Right here on Cruise Critic...Carnival Ship reviews...

Length, external. How about internal? Any stats on that? I hope it isn't so hard to understand that there are sometimes internal design differences from one ship to another, even in the same class -- and again, as everybody knows now, that was very true of the original Destiny versus Triumph and Victory. Again, this is why the second and third ships were later designated as a different class; Triumph class versus Destiny class. And like I said before, I sailed on Destiny after sailing on Triumph, and before Destiny was remade as Sunshine. Did you?

 

Maybe one of you can tell me the exact square footage and total length of the Casino deck passenger passageway on Glory versus the same deck on Conquest. I've sailed Conquest but not Glory. And how do those specs compare with the old Destiny? I'm dying to know and maybe one or both of you numbers experts can enlighten me. (Edit: And please, if you will, no shortcuts such as referring me to deck plans. That's too easy and inadequate for a diehard numbers-cruncher.)

 

And btw, yes Conquest is a different class now, but she was also originally built as Destiny class, before being stretched by "around 59 feet". Such things do happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest-class_cruise_ship

You are such a source of disinformation on this subject. I corrected your original post whenever you said the Destiny was lengthened when the made here the Sunshine when she was not. Sure ships have been cut in half to insert a section, but that's not what happened with the sunshine or the Conquest.

Conquest was built 50 ft longer than than Destiny, Triumph and Victory. At that time the Conquest was marketed as a new class of vessel with The other three being called the Destiny class.

Your keep insisting that the Sunshine was made "longer on the inside" when she went through her conversion, when you haven't been on her since the conversion took place. The Sunshine vas not converted to get her layout on par with here two younger sisters (in terms of how big the ship feels on the inside. That was not upgrade was about. It was about adding venues already on the Dream class and paying for them by adding cabins.

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The tonnage to Pax ratio of the Destiny was 38.9, the Sunshine is now 34.2. While this ratio can be misleading, it is widely regarded as an indication of ship "roominess".

Conquest was built 50 ft longer and always a different class from the three desinty class ships.

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The tonnage to Pax ratio of the Destiny was 38.9, the Sunshine is now 34.2. While this ratio can be misleading, it is widely regarded as an indication of ship "roominess".

 

Conquest was built 50 ft longer and always a different class from the three desinty class ships.

 

While NCL and RCCL have cut ships in half to lengthen them, I do not believe Carnival has ever done so. They definitly did not do this with the Destiny when they made her the Sunshine.

 

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I sailed on Destiny in 1998 was me and DH first cruise. Maybe we were just newbies but didn't see anything wrong with her. All this arguing about size side tracked the original subject about her being a terrible ship. What specifically was wrong with Destiny.

I sailed on Destiny in 1998 was me and DH first cruise. Maybe we were just newbies but didn't see anything wrong with her. All this arguing about size side tracked the original subject about her being a terrible ship. What specifically was wrong with Destiny.

I thought it was "small" (as others also said), and the thick rust I could see from my aft balcony was distracting to say the least. Otherwise I enjoyed the ship, as did two others who sailed with us. In fact their oceanview room was great, very roomy and very well kept. And I enjoyed our roomy aft balcony. Nothing negative (other than as stated) stands out in my memory, and I think I had something positive to say about Destiny in my signature, which I can't read right now. But of course Destiny is no longer Destiny, she's now Sunshine, with over $155 million worth of improvements which I can't comment on at all. As for the heavy rust, I would hope (and assume) they completely stripped down the exterior and replaced all heavily corroded parts and removed all surface rust elsewhere.

Edit: Well, no, nothing good about Destiny in my signature. Sorry. :rolleyes:

The Destiny was the 2nd ship I sailed on and my wife and I enjoyed it very much. We have been on the Sunshine 2 times. It was a good ship but my favorite is the Dream and my wife's favorite is the Magic. We have been on 22 Carnival cruises so far and are going on a B2B in september on the Dream again. I was on it already 5 times. No such thing as a bad cruise, only some are better. :cool: