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Royal will enforce the wearing of masks. We'll all be fine. 

for the complaining to start again.  

"It disappoints me to see people walking into the MDR on formal night wearing the poolside masks." 

43 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

They made an example of a family on MSC and that didn't chase away their customers.

Not really a great analogy IMO. RCL is a far greater cruiseline to MSC to start with and they have much more to lose. In addition, the MSC cruises are extremely limited in size, the types of passengers, and the types of cruises.  I'm really not sure what % of Royal's customer base is from, I suspect the U.S. If this is the case, the rules that are in place on MSC cruises will not be acceptable to US cruisers.  The face mask pool rule is a prime example of this. Just read this thread to see how many are absolutely balking at this rule. This from the die hards. I can't imagine an average American family going on cruises with this type of rule(s) in place.  But that's me. 

32 minutes ago, Domino D said:

I don't disagree with your logic, but it may come down to losing a certain amount of people versus another shut down if there is an outbreak.  Someone at Royal is I'm sure doing the math.  

The risk/reward factor of even cruising until the outbreak(s) are mitigated is what they should be measuring.  I'm not a market strategist but if RCL was smart about it, they'd continue to leverage and borrow funds to stay afloat until the risk is gone. I argue that another breakout of covid on one of their ships will hurt the brand to a level of no return.  The risk is greater than the potential rewards at this point in time.  

1 hour ago, karena1 said:

OMG, I LIVE to lay in the sun.  At the beach every weekend.  On sea days, we spend the entire day at the pool relaxing.  At ports we head to our favorite beaches to relax for the day.  I do not want Face Mask tan lines - that is insane

Which brings us full circle. If cruising starts w/ a rule of wearing facemasks while sitting at the pool, I suspect that early on people still will go on their cruises. And of course there will be some people that will not comply w/ this pool rule. There will be confrontations. Because it is indeed insane. We all know it. If RCL choses to enforce it and then selects somebody, some group, or some family to make examples of they'll eventually chase away their customers and the millions of dollars they bring to Royal. People will start cancelling left & right. Wearing a mask in the promenade is one thing, but outdoors at poolside is indeed insane.  

1 hour ago, HBE4 said:

 

People watching is fun. Everyone does it. I'm sure you do to, you probably just look for different things. Very few people are ever totally unaware of what is happening around them. 

 

People watching is fun? Meh. I mean it's OK and yes out of boredom most of us usually do it. But to go to the DL or CL to simply people watch is a strange function to say the least. I mean think about it...

"Come on honey hurry up! We need to go. I want to get a great seat in the lounge to watch the conceirge kick out those that don't belong. It's so damn fun"  

I don't think I've ever engaged in the people watching activity while in either lounge. My preference is to engage with conversation. I think most others do as well. I so enjoy meeting others and learning from them. 

6 minutes ago, mek said:

While I have no desire to cruise with a mask I have even less desire to cruise with a bunch of people who will constantly try to circumvent the rules.  Who needs that crap?

I don't know if it's a human nature thing, I don't think so, but breaking the rules happens every cruise. In fact,it happens everywhere on everything from running a stop sign to jay walking. Not wearing a face mask or not wearing it properly is going to happen. Fact. 

3 hours ago, cured said:

The brochures quoted by the OP also say that there will be safety ambassadors around to enforce protocol. This won't be like enforcing chair hogging or kids in the Solarium.

This is the future of their company. If they suffer an outbreak on board, that will set them back for a long, long time.  Just like MSC who kicked off the family who didn't follow the rules off the ship, Royal will have to be as strict.

 

So, good luck if you are planning on cruising and not following the rules.  Hopefully you will just find a great resort to stay at.

Pffft. if you think you are planning a cruise and not having masks being removed, lifted, shifted, and/or otherwise out of place. Bles their hearts, they'll try to enforce, or at least make a show at trying but ...wake up... you're in a dream. 

2 hours ago, TiiiSailor said:

All twenty of the chair hogs?

 

2, 4, 6 8, who do we apreciate... Chair Hawgs!  They're real. Every cruise. Nothing is done abvout them and neither will they about masks. They'll try though. But they'll miss more than they'll catch. 

49 minutes ago, yogimax said:

The enforcement issue is the more difficult one.

 

Pre-COVID, the concierge did little to enforce rules like...

 

1. Dress Code (no shorts)

2. No taking of drinks from lounge (it used to be fun watching folks fill their coffee cups with booze before leaving.

3. Bringing friends into the lounge

 

It's hard to imagine they will begin to enforce rules Post-COVID

I never even stop to pay attention who is walking through the door. Don't care. Not my resonsibility nor my form of entertainment. Especially #2... why do this? Why care? I'm there only to liquidate, learn from others, and enjoy my cruise, my day.  

23 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Ive honestly never noticed people sneaking friends into any lounge. 

This.

It takes a serious asshat or perhaps someone(s) in a liquidated state of mind to 'sneak' into a lounge or anywhere really unless you're a college aged kid. I've actually been invited to D & above events by another guest w/ the approval of the concierge. I imagine if a concierge is at the door checking seapasses, there is an over abundance of D's in a very crowded DL trying to find comfort space or an overly crowded CL w/ no room to spare.  

25 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

It was Black,  or a really dark plum. 

Didn't think of asking for any other color

I like plum. 

Plum Crazy is an amazing color.

5 hours ago, island lady said:

 

Don't you think there be many Ds, and D+  that already book suites?  Hmmm ...? 

No doubt. That's why I said 'some'. In fact, I'm thinking there are more D & D+ have Suites booked in 2021 than there were in 2019 or 2020.  It appears the fear of being quarantined in your cabin is real. As a result, Suites are going at a premium. 

I used one once.  He escourted us down the elevator to disembark in St. Petersburg Russia. We were off the ship so quick. He used his key on the elevator and we went down from the CL w/o stopping. We were the first to & through customs... so early we all had to wait for our tour guide to arrive. 

Think chair hogging. 

2 minutes ago, yogimax said:

That's certainly not true for the suite crowd is it?  (yes, that was sarcasm).

290 now. 

8 minutes ago, yogimax said:

Really?

 

There's a contest going on to reach 3000 posts?  That explains some things!

Yep. Not a bad prize either... a Cruise Critic facemask. Polyester exterior/Cotton lined, washable (except when on a ship) Flexible goes w/ everything from walking Promenades to riding elevators.  

5 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I think, my opinion only, many here want to spend less, and expect Suite Perks. It’s simple, book a Suite or become a Pinnacle. 
 

M8

I agree. It amazes me that some D & D+ believe they are more important than they really are. I mean if someone wants the Suite life perks, they should buy the Suite. 

4 hours ago, yogimax said:

Sure, but it also goes for those who have paid more over the years and have earned DL or CL access.

Whether it was an Inside Cabin or the Royal Suite... you get what you pay for... and you got what you paid for.  

5 hours ago, yogimax said:

So your position...

 

Take it away from others but...

 

Don't take it away from me.

Sounds right to me. I mean if RCL is dropping staff or conceirges, I would expect those that buy & pay for Suites are to receive the more pampered services.  Spend more... get more.  Spend less... get less. 

On 10/11/2020 at 4:29 AM, TravelerThom said:

“Great Barrington” is a town in Massachusetts, which I might guess is where the document was written. In this context great modifies Barrington rather than modifies Declaration. 

I've been there before... Great? Meh... OK? yeah.  It should be the OK Barrington Declaration. Great is a bit overstated.  

On 10/11/2020 at 12:55 AM, broberts said:

What the declaration doesn't mention is that to reach herd immunity would likely result in some 2,000,000 deaths in the U.S. alone.

 

What the declaration glosses over is the actual cost of providing real protection for all of the at risk people. Consider that almost 40% of U.S. adults are obese, just one of the many COVID risk factors.

 

What the declaration glosses over is that adults and children with no preconditions can die from the disease. 

 

How many dead people are the signatories willing to accept. Will any of them volunteer?

 

They should try Tennessee...

16 minutes ago, cruisinfanatic said:

Can't get better if Florida opens up everything before they should

Cruise out of New Jersey...

9 hours ago, B113 said:

Royal Caribbean's website is showing cruises suspended through November.

What year?

45 minutes ago, nomad098 said:

 

 

The Great Barrington Declaration takes into account not only the deaths from COVID-19 but also all the deaths from the unintended consequences of lockdowns and their economic impact on the health of a nation.

 

Comparing COVID-19 to any respiratory infection where reliable treatments are already available is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

for example the Asian flu pandemic killed between 1.5 and 2 million people, the Hong Kong Flu about 1 million and during both of these pandemic's we had a vaccine. Between 290.000 and 650,000 die each year from influenza even though we have a vaccine each year.

 

Comparing COVID-19 to a pandemic where we did not have a vaccine is still not a good comparison COVID-19 estimated deaths for 1 year around the 2 million mark world wide no vaccine, Spanish flu 26-50 million no vaccine.

 

Mainly because these are two totally different viruses with similar symptoms, COVID-19 is behaving like an extremely deadly common cold and as such we need to treat it differently to an influenza pandemic. The actions taken upto now would have stopped the Spanish flu in it's tracks. 

 

For those disparaging Sweden their CFR is 0.058  pretty much on a par with other comparable countries with a similar demographic and when you remember that even though they have a low person to square kilometer most of their population live in large cities and towns.

 

Just because a few numpties put their monika on an open source document does not detract from the validity of the declaration  

 

 

 

 

Question... does the declaration count the deaths noted by hospitals that were paid extra money for covid deaths? Asking for a cruising friend.