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2 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Interesting new (and inaccurate) "facts" - "herd immunity" was originally stated to be when 70% of the population had been vaccinated or proven to have developed immunities.  We're nowhere near that percentage at this time.

 

Many here seem to be rooting for similar things...just going about things with different processes.  Having the right info helps. 

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that between February 2020 and March 2021, there were about 114.6 million total coronavirus infections in the U.S.. That’s about 81.1 million more cases than are confirmed as of June 17.

1 minute ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Will NEVER happen, for one very important reason. 
Many that are vaccinated will have a negative antibody test. Depending on the test parameters, the portion of the antibody detected may not be present in the vaccinated individual. 

I agree. We are a people of convenience these days. 

"Jab me. Put it on a card. Give me the card."  

All of which few even care to quesrtion, they just do it...

34 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

All that said...with hundreds of millions of people successfully vaccinated and cruising and other activities opening up these days...

It isn't all about the vaccine. 

It has been estimated that 118 milion have had Covid and now have natural immunities.  Between vaccines and natural immunities, herd immunity is being reached. 

There are alot of vaccine bigots on these boards these days. I sure wish everyone would take the time to set aside your prejudices of others and re-think about the possibilities that either or both sides of the argument can be wrong. I actually think both sides are wong in many areas. 

I'm vaxed because i doubted I could have survived a Covid attack. My neighbor next door, is 38 and he and his wife both had Covid and survived. He's not dead set against a vaccine but he also believes that is ant-bodies are sufficiently enough to fight off future covid attacks. Medically speaking, no one can actually tell him he's wrong. But because he won't get the vax many on this board think he's less than what he really is. Only because they want to go on a cruise ship. That folks is what makes someone a vaccine bigot.  

5 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Really?  Just like in high school...asking someone to do your homework isn't acceptable.

 

In the meantime...luckily most people understand the false hopes of natural immunities.

Got it. And just like in High School, you must've went along with the 'in' crowd trying to be cool instead of just doing the right thing.

Bottomline, you can't produce the data....

3 minutes ago, broberts said:

 

So you are in favor of eliminating past guest levels and benefits?

This isn't hard. Try not to let it be either.  

A loyalty program on any product/service in most cases are earned by the amount of dollars spent. In the new RCG world, an unvaxed P, D+, or D would not have the same loyalty rights and priveleges they once had but the vaxed P, D+, & D would continue the same.  And the only difference between the two is that their concerns over the vsccine and/or their natual immunities are being ignored by RCG. 

22 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Good questions - good answers:

 

1) Just like the vaccine itself...getting Covid before and developing antibodies IS NO GUARANTEE you won't get it - there have been plenty of reports of both situations contracting it.

2) The primary upside is that the odds are quite low someone will either get it at all after the vaccine or having antibodies, and if so....the symptoms are asymptomatic or else far less severe.

3) With tens of millions of doctors and nurses taking the vaccine themselves...given their knowledge...it is highly puzzling (and virtually an excuse) why anyone would question its safety. 

4) Unlike numerous previous vaccines, the Covid vaccines do not introduce any portions of the actual disease itself...rather...it turbocharges your immune system to reject Covid.  I've spoken to literally dozens of people who had no clue this was the case and developed false ideas to avoid getting it.

5) While the vaccine itself drastically reduces the risk of getting Covid, it also reduces the ability to be a "carrier" significantly - which is why many perceive (right or wrong) that those avoiding vaccination are selfish and not caring about anyone else around them.

6) If everyone who is eligible to get the vaccine did so, the whole pandemic situation would be much closer to the end nationwide and worldwide.

7) The statement that it was developed to just address emergency reasons to help stop deaths is simply totally false.

😎 Per #6...many of us would already be cruising again...DUH.

 

So after all that, your points show no data that the vaccine is no better than natural immunities. 

41 minutes ago, LXA350 said:

What a mess, why did RCL even bother to get themselves into this. Would have been easier to just have all cruises open for vaccinated adults, like this everyone on board will receive the same instead of causing this two class sepeeration.

You get what you ask for. RCL is basically inviting problems onto themseleves. When you take people, define them into two different classes of people, and then by design allow one group of people to be treated better than the other group... you're going to create issues. TBH, I hope this is a complete failure on RCG. It's wrong to do what they are doing and they'll pay a price for it. It's also why most business', if not all business in the US are not doing this. 

8 hours ago, cruisegus said:

These that rave about the "natural immunity" and the un-Vaxer's are the one that are prolonging the problem with this pandemic.

Of course we all know that the scientific data shows that the un-educated and lower income populace are those who are more likely to not get vaccinated. That is just the facts whether you like them or not.

More mis-information.  You've been led to believe this mess.

Please show us studies of the scientific data that the natural immune anti-bodies of those that have had covid are not as good or equal to your vaccine.  

9 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

If those that have recovered get the vaccine and show proof I would think it would be good enough.

Serious question. The vaccine was developed and pushed through for emergency reasons to help stop the deaths related to covid. Why would anyone that has already had covid want to get a vaccine to prevent covid? They already have the anti-bodies in their system. Why would they want to take the risk to inject a vaccine that has not had the long term studies and is not fully approved? 

Another issue are the families that have already suffered through the disease of covid and have natual immunities built into their bodies now. This is being completely ignored by the CDC. There are enough people that have had covid now & studies have been made that indicate there is no difference between the vaccinations and the natural immunities. But many are so absolutely convinced because it's all they hear is vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. Following certain 'science' and ignoring other science that does not fit their agenda is what has caused many to lose faith in the CDC. Having people pay a different price and/or be treated indifferently is going to be a real issue and it's completely being ignored. RCG is complicit, less than other cruise lines but still complicit. 

1 hour ago, ace2542 said:

But they will make a profit on the testing won't they? So they can keep the testing for as long as they do make a profit on it? After all people are testing to fly aren't they?

Well the point is they think theyre punishing the non-vaxed person so much that if they wan't to cruise they'll pay for it. I think this will cost them passenger cruise feees.  From both the vaxed and non-vaxed. People do not want to wear the mask. Everything else is just fodder in an effort to not where the mask. 

1 minute ago, broberts said:

 

People book cruises for $100 saving or obc. Seems to me a no cost vaccination that saves $139 would be even more attractive.

 

Soon enough, we'll all be seeing a different look from cruiuiselines as the covid storyline is going to eventually flip. Will RCG be the first to announce a new sales campaign, "Free Vaccine Testing". Afterall they are the family cruiseline. 

7 minutes ago, ReneeFLL said:

Is that total per person or per shot? If’s it’s only 139.00 pp for the whole cruise I don’t think that’s much of a deterrent.

It won't last long. RCG is going to need the $$$ and I'm not talking about the testing $$$ either.

7 minutes ago, sugcarol said:

We book in advance and have our list of the dining and times we want, so the first thing we do when we get on ship is to find whoever is at their podium. Most of the time they are on the Promenade but have also seen then outside of Windjammer. We LOVE the UDP and just consider it part of our cruise.

We do the same thing and base our dinner times on the ship's shows that we wish to enjoy. 

This is so great. I love it. 

1 hour ago, BirdTravels said:

I think that the issue is that Covid on a ship affects more than the Vaxxed or Unvaxxed people who get sick. Collateral damage. Contact tracing will cause a large number of people to be isolated and tested once or twice. Ruining other people’s vacay. 

THEN DONT CRUISE! 

1 hour ago, nelblu said:

Maybe RCL should have the cojones to come out and say only vaccinated people and refund all monies to those people with outstanding reservations.   The waiting for their intentions and plans is excruciating, 

 

I've got 4 cabins booked on Anthem for Easter 2022  and would like some resolutions and the refunds, so that I can plan a land vacation.

I'm not going to subject me or my family to second class treatment.

 

I don't blame you for that. But if we're still wearing masks on a ship in April 22, RCG is going to be in serious serious troubles.  Vaxers were happy that Non-vaxers had to mask up... now they're happy because the non-vaxers MIGHT have to mask up more than they do. As a result fewer people will be on those ships. 

Well, it will be interesting to say the least on how this is to play out. But I still think that the CDC requiring masks for cruise ships is going to hurt the passenger count be they vaccinated or non-vaccinated. People will wait until the CDC changes the rules.  

Watching the vids and looking at pictures of the Adventures first trip out it looks like a 'ghost ship'. While it might be fun for the 25%, that just doesn't seem like a fun cruise to me. Protocals every where you go. Everything you do. I expect the Freedom to have 25% or less capacity.  Not my kind of cruise. I'll wait it out. 

Well this aint good. 

48 minutes ago, Tolkmit said:

 

These aren't decisions being made by Royal. These are CDC requirements for sailing with less than 95% vaccinated.

Exactly. When the CDC gets out of everbody's lives, the better off we'll all be. Their 15 months of fame has expired. 

10 hours ago, StanleyandGus said:

You learn a lot from Cruise Critic! 
 

I was thinking a 12:30 flight sounded fine for my b2b in January/February. Now I’m going to spend the night in Houston and not stress about anything!

Traveling from Galveston to Houston can vary drastically based on the day of week. Sat or Sunday would be EZPZ... Mon -Fri... not so much due to commuters headed to work into the city. 

11 hours ago, kangforpres said:

The cruise is leaving on Monday, 09-27 and returning Friday Morning, on 10-01-21. So Hurricane weather is more of a worry than fog. Looking to fly in on Saturday so I can explore Galveston for a full day on Sunday and then we always fly home post cruise ASAP since that "Vacation is Over" feeling takes over.

 

-Paul

 

 

I retrack my previous post based on your day of traveling on a Friday morning. Book a later afternoon flight. 

On 6/15/2021 at 11:42 AM, BirdTravels said:

The Royal Promenade is the busy thoroughfare on the ship with shops filled with guests with a pent up demand to shop on the seas. 

 

Wow. The ship looks dead. Eery. Does it feel that way too?

The ships are not sailing at max capacity. It'll be good like this for awhile.