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They all have purpose, but for the occasional traveler, it looks like a 3 card monte….

I can be more clear. I am talking about all of them. While you and I understand the difference between Real ID and EDL and their functionality differences, in regards to travel, we add in Passports and passport cards. Hoe much mote confusing could it be to occasional travelers. They were all trying to simplify secure. Instead we have one designed for air travel, one designed for contiguous birder travel (and oh by the way totally different than the other used for domestic travel). Then the second oh by the way it is not accepted in all border states. We can wla e passports and passport cards out but they confuse it more.

OK, how many border states have it enacted? How many border states have not implemented it? Does the fact they have two different methodologies make sense? Do you think the public is/will get confused? Is there a better way?

True. Has it been deployed in 50 states?

Even RCCL cruisers agree with me

Now that would be a conundrum

Only way we find that out is if it happens. Just take a gander at Icon and tell me what you see. Butt ugly….wait look tomorrow. Then I could have said Aprils fools. Five years ago, everyone would have laughed….. Are some paying those out of this world prices…? Yup. Even RCCL execs are laughing. Monstrosity… But I must be wrong because I sail Carnival….. Your views may differ, but I will not question them…

Have you ever used it?

Of trying to be put into action. WAY behind several deployment scenarios

exactly the way I remember it.....

pays the bills.

At some some point, they will need to force a decision as to what is acceptable. It is clear, passports are a better control, and that is what it is all about.

Kind of looks like a costa mover over now….

EDL has had a really checkered path…..timing included.

And now you know what I suspect. Thanks for the permission.

Thanks for the Webster alliteration. While I think I grasped that, I noticed where the poster was from and was curious as to their view (if it helps, I can say opinion). Which is an entirely different discussion them some just being cheap. Maybe, just maybe sometimes we can learn from other points of view. Lastly, I brought up earlier how many posts and threads there are on this topic, but the discussion makes it way more interesting.

They need something to pay for those monstrosities…..other than the absolutely ridiculous rates they charge for Icon. But when you are doing 1+ ships a year at 2 bill per ship.throwing some free booze at their loyal customers must work…. All that said, if it works for you, it work. Thanks for the reply.

Enlighten us

Meh….loyal royals cannot help themselves, they are lemmings. Went to a comedy (overstated) show on Oasis and his entire rant was on CCL.

I am confused…..did you like the entertainment?😎

Guess if you sail for those perks, your decision is made. To think that any program revamp will get you 500 of free booze is just silly. Guess it is how you look at….

Four is what I remember but it has been a while

why would the pier have an impact?

Pretty impressive.

In this case, variety is the spice of life....go for it.