Single supplement

[falcon10156]

Has anyone found another cruise line that doesn't have such a draconian supplement??

 

 

Princess charges the same however you get double cruise day credits for it. I think HAL should do this. I would travel solo on HAL if they did.

 

 

If you are paying double the cost then you should get double the credit. I do agree with other posters that I would spend alot less on ship - in other words - nothing due to be having to already pay for two people upfront with only half the work and food. I would take almost no HAL shore excursions and if I could just get off the ship, I would do that and find my own tour. I can not find others that can travel around the same time with me all the time. I also do not have many people that would cruise with me. I understand single supplements but paying for a whole additional person - how do they come up with that? Half the food, half the mess in the room - doesnt make sense.

 

HAL please offer the extra cruise days towards Mariner rewards and then I might cruise more (if I am paying for two people anyways)

 

Debbie

[GeriatricNurse]

Princess charges the same however you get double cruise day credits for it. I think HAL should do this. I would travel solo on HAL if they did.

 

 

If you are paying double the cost then you should get double the credit. I do agree with other posters that I would spend alot less on ship - in other words - nothing due to be having to already pay for two people upfront with only half the work and food. I would take almost no HAL shore excursions and if I could just get off the ship, I would do that and find my own tour. I can not find others that can travel around the same time with me all the time. I also do not have many people that would cruise with me. I understand single supplements but paying for a whole additional person - how do they come up with that? Half the food, half the mess in the room - doesnt make sense.

 

HAL please offer the extra cruise days towards Mariner rewards and then I might cruise more (if I am paying for two people anyways)

 

Debbie

 

Debbie, I agree! ;)

[Watson's aunt]

I just want them to stop the single punishment. There are a lot of people who have lost wives/husbands friends, mates who cannot afford to pay the supplement and then do the tours. Those people would spend that money on the ship. Its really to bad the industry everywhere punish the single people.

 

 

Mary

[chrispb]

:D Heck, I would rather have my own room than a freeloading relative or friend, ha ha ha! :p Sorry (slap me!) :)

 

Lol, it's nice to get away from everyone sometimes.

 

I certainly wouldn't pay for their drinks and excusions too. Come to think of it, if they get a free cruise then they should pay for mine:cool:

[mightycruisequeen]

I just want them to stop the single punishment. There are a lot of people who have lost wives/husbands friends' date=' mates who cannot afford to pay the supplement and then do the tours. Those people would spend that money on the ship. Its really to bad the industry everywhere punish the single people.

 

 

Mary[/quote']

I guess if you expect to be "punished" by having the whole cabin all to yourself, you should also expect to be "punished" by paying for the whole cabin.

[Watson's aunt]

why less work for steward. less food I would give more in tips because of missing person

[zorrosuncle]

Greetings --

 

An airline would never get away with charging you double, or for that matter making you take an extra seat. Neither would a restaurant charge you for a second meal you didn't eat.

 

The New York Times recently had an article which said that discrimination against singles is the only legal form of discrimination lefr in the country today.

 

Supposed they charged you double for being a woman? Or how about being over a certain age? It just doesn't happen. But singles are fair game. And the cruiselines are taking full advantage of it.

 

ZU

[KAKcruiser]

I wonder why HAL doesn't build single staterooms on the ships like NCL has recently.

[fann1sh]

I wonder why HAL doesn't build single staterooms on the ships like NCL has recently.

 

We may see it on a newbuild. But, have you seen those NCL Epic solo cabins? 100 square feet.

 

 

 

I did a quote comparison for March: Nieuw Amsterdam in an N guarantee solo (all taxes) $1100; Epic in a solo studio $1060.

 

Granted, that's "vanilla": 7 day Caribbean, the cheapest of cruises. And those N's aren't a LOT bigger.

 

But, for exotic itineraries, at least Prinsendam has a couple solo cabins.

[MadManOfBethesda]

Greetings --

 

An airline would never get away with charging you double, or for that matter making you take an extra seat. Neither would a restaurant charge you for a second meal you didn't eat.

 

The New York Times recently had an article which said that discrimination against singles is the only legal form of discrimination lefr in the country today.

 

Supposed they charged you double for being a woman? Or how about being over a certain age? It just doesn't happen. But singles are fair game. And the cruiselines are taking full advantage of it.

 

ZU

 

I'm sorry, but those alleged analogies are positively ridiculous. The cruise lines are charging you for occupying a cabin. If the cost of the cabin is $2,000, and you choose to occupy it by yourself rather than as a couple or with a roommate (by choice or necessity) then that is what you pay. There is no discrimination there. Just because the cruise line chooses to advertise the cabin price on a per person basis doesn't change the actual cost of the cabin.

 

A better analogy would be an airline advertising a round-trip fare in the newspaper by showing the one-way price. Of course, you can't fly just one-way at that price, you have to purchase a r/t ticket. According to you, this is discrimination against people who only want to fly one-way.

 

I understand people being upset about having to pay a single supplement, but the truth is that you're not paying any more for the cabin than two people would be paying for it. And in most cases, you're paying less than the couple. With a 150% single supplement, instead of paying $2,000 for the cabin, you're only paying $1,500. How is that discrimination?

[cruz chic]

I'm sorry, but those alleged analogies are positively ridiculous. The cruise lines are charging you for occupying a cabin. If the cost of the cabin is $2,000, and you choose to occupy it by yourself rather than as a couple or with a roommate (by choice or necessity) then that is what you pay. There is no discrimination there. Just because the cruise line chooses to advertise the cabin price on a per person basis doesn't change the actual cost of the cabin.

 

A better analogy would be an airline advertising a round-trip fare in the newspaper by showing the one-way price. Of course, you can't fly just one-way at that price, you have to purchase a r/t ticket. According to you, this is discrimination against people who only want to fly one-way.

 

I understand people being upset about having to pay a single supplement, but the truth is that you're not paying any more for the cabin than two people would be paying for it. And in most cases, you're paying less than the couple. With a 150% single supplement, instead of paying $2,000 for the cabin, you're only paying $1,500. How is that discrimination?

Because we are not making the mess that 2 would or eating the food for 2 people. HAL is making a mistake in charging such a premium on just about every cruise. Even if the other cruise lines choose to charge double their prices are better. If the cruise line that is offering the better price is acceptable to me then I will go for price. I guess HAL must be making such good money it doesn't have to worry about turning away pax.

[cruisemom42]

All the cruise lines keep extensive records of what people spend on cruises, be they single, a couple, a family, whatever.....

 

I don't believe in the "myth" that there are more free-spending singles, and more "tightwad" couples. Sure, there are some of each on both categories. But I've met plenty of solo cruisers on a tight budget who aren't paying for much onboard either. In fact, I guess I'm one. I don't take ship's tours unless I can't figure out ANY other option, I don't drink much (used to get the wine card and was happy with it). I don't gamble, don't buy photos, and don't visit the spa.

 

I also don't believe that charging a flat rate per cabin is discriminatory against singles when the cruise lines' business model calls for having two folks per cabin. Most hotels won't give you a double room for a single price either.

 

And for the poster who mentioned that the ship was saving on food and service: You do realize the per diem cost of food per passenger is in the vicinity of $15/day? And.....are you really suggesting that a single person is only going to use HALF of their cabin? I suppose your steward would only have to clean half of the shower? vacuum half of the rug? :rolleyes:

[cruz chic]

All the cruise lines keep extensive records of what people spend on cruises, be they single, a couple, a family, whatever.....

 

I don't believe in the "myth" that there are more free-spending singles, and more "tightwad" couples. Sure, there are some of each on both categories. But I've met plenty of solo cruisers on a tight budget who aren't paying for much onboard either. In fact, I guess I'm one. I don't take ship's tours unless I can't figure out ANY other option, I don't drink much (used to get the wine card and was happy with it). I don't gamble, don't buy photos, and don't visit the spa.

 

I also don't believe that charging a flat rate per cabin is discriminatory against singles when the cruise lines' business model calls for having two folks per cabin. Most hotels won't give you a double room for a single price either.

 

And for the poster who mentioned that the ship was saving on food and service: You do realize the per diem cost of food per passenger is in the vicinity of $15/day? And.....are you really suggesting that a single person is only going to use HALF of their cabin? I suppose your steward would only have to clean half of the shower? vacuum half of the rug? :rolleyes:

I'm talking about making one bed instead one two (yes I have them split). Also talking about using less towels. Wow, I didn't think it was so hard to understand:rolleyes:. Just because you spend next to nothing please don't assume others do the same. I always take HALs tours, buy drinks, buy wine packages etc. Please don't paint us all with the same brush. You are probably the one the cruise lines are setting their models on. Too bad. Looks like they should pick me instead.

[MadManOfBethesda]

I guess HAL must be making such good money it doesn't have to worry about turning away pax.

 

Apparently so. Look at it from their perspective. If they can sell all the cabins in a particular category for $2000 each, why should they reduce their revenue by selling some at $1,500 because some people can only travel solo? Now of course, if they can't fill up their ships, then they should do whatever it takes to get those cabins booked, including offering a discount to singles.

[MadManOfBethesda]

Yesterday Carnival also announced a South America around the Horn from Long Beach to NY Feb 3, 2013 in three segments, on the Splendor, LA to Santiago 17 days, Santiago to Buenos Aires 13 daysand BA to NY, 18 days. I booked all three. 48 days

 

Thanks so much for posting this information! My wife and I did a 30-day repositioning cruise around Cape Horn from Los Angeles to Santos, Brazil, last year on RCL's Mariner of the Seas and thoroughly enjoyed it. We even spent a week in Sao Paulo and Rio afterwards. The only thing I regret is that we didn't have an opportunity to go to Buenos Aires. This CCL cruise will give us the opportunity to correct that oversight. We'll probably do the first two segments so we can spent added time in B.A.

[lettienets]

Thanks so much for posting this information! My wife and I did a 30-day repositioning cruise around Cape Horn from Los Angeles to Santos, Brazil, last year on RCL's Mariner of the Seas and thoroughly enjoyed it. We even spent a week in Sao Paulo and Rio afterwards. The only thing I regret is that we didn't have an opportunity to go to Buenos Aires. This CCL cruise will give us the opportunity to correct that oversight. We'll probably do the first two segments so we can spent added time in B.A.

Splendor around the Horn is going to be a super cruise. I have been sailing Carnival a lot in the last 3 years, especially when they have one offs like this itinerary, Mediterranean and transatlantics on new ships coming out of the shipyard (Dream, Magic, Breeze this Nov), and repositioning through the Panama Canal. There is another one of those in March 2013 when this SA one is on. Miracle is moving NY to LA. Thes cruises have older crowd, few kids, good deals.

[lcand1923]

When I travelled with my Dad, I doubled the cost of whatever trip we were considering. I do the same now. My only complaint about the way HAL handles their solo travellers is there handling of the "cabin" for the Mariner Credit. If two people were in the cabin, they would be offering two people Mariner Credit.

[zorrosuncle]

I'm sorry, but those alleged analogies are positively ridiculous. The cruise lines are charging you for occupying a cabin. If the cost of the cabin is $2,000, and you choose to occupy it by yourself rather than as a couple or with a roommate (by choice or necessity) then that is what you pay. There is no discrimination there. Just because the cruise line chooses to advertise the cabin price on a per person basis doesn't change the actual cost of the cabin.

 

A better analogy would be an airline advertising a round-trip fare in the newspaper by showing the one-way price. Of course, you can't fly just one-way at that price, you have to purchase a r/t ticket. According to you, this is discrimination against people who only want to fly one-way.

 

I understand people being upset about having to pay a single supplement, but the truth is that you're not paying any more for the cabin than two people would be paying for it. And in most cases, you're paying less than the couple. With a 150% single supplement, instead of paying $2,000 for the cabin, you're only paying $1,500. How is that discrimination?

 

You seem to have a fixation on cabin. But I am past that. I am actually saving the cruise line money because I don't eat twice as much, don't weigh twice as much(oil costs), don't use twice as many free services, etc. eg. hot water, tender costs, service desk staffing, etc. Put another way, if I brought a person along for free, and told him not to participate in any paid services the cruise would cost the cruise line quite a bit more. The cabin costs remain, but the decision to allocate other cruise costs on the basis of cabin space, is strictly an accounting option, and in reality is not actually realistic. A per person cost would be more realistic than creative accounting options to stick it to the single passengers and generate more revenue.

[lettienets]

When I travelled with my Dad, I doubled the cost of whatever trip we were considering. I do the same now. My only complaint about the way HAL handles their solo travellers is there handling of the "cabin" for the Mariner Credit. If two people were in the cabin, they would be offering two people Mariner Credit.

I agree.

Also with FCCs Hal only gives the credit for one person who is paying for two. On Carnival you get the whole future cruise credit if you are paying double and sailing alone, plus Carnival gives up to $200 OBC for even the lowest category on a cruise over 12 days.

[bcd2010]

This sense of discrimination or unfairness arises from the silliness of cruise lines advertising their cruises, and awarding credits, on a per person rather than a per cabin basis, when the reality of the situation is that they calculate costs based on cabins regardless of occupancy. That 3rd and 4th pax in a cabin travel at highly discounted rates and sometimes for nothing pretty much shows that the basic cost is covered once the per cabin rate is met.

[MadManOfBethesda]

You seem to have a fixation on cabin. But I am past that.

 

That's hilarious. You're booking a cabin on a ship, but you don't think that the cruise line should base the cost of your cruise on the fact that you're taking up a cabin.

 

I'm so happy that you are past that.

[mightycruisequeen]

You seem to have a fixation on cabin.

The cruise lines seem to be fixated on cabin, too.

[Faith77]

I've sailed solo on HAL the last 3 years over the Christmas/New Year holiday. I am not married to any cruise line. Each time I plan to cruise I make my decision based on itinerary and price.

 

This year I plan to cruise on Princess because the pricing is better than on HAL. I'll pay a ss of around 40% in the cheap seats (an inside room). Maybe the overall price is cheaper because this cruise is going to Mexico which is getting a lot of bad press lately.

 

I've noticed in the last 5 years that travelling solo is costing me more money. I've done land tours, writing conferences, travelling to national parks with an over 55 group and they all charge a ss. Most of my cruises compare price wise to my other trips. Faith

[Swelldame]

Just for fun and discussion (not argument!), let's take the single situation to the (n)th degree....

 

Imagine a sailing where everyone on the ship was a single, and paid only the pp/dbl price. What would we have? A ship at half-capacity, but,

 

-The fuel costs for the itinerary and ship's on-board energy needs would be pretty much the same as full capacity

-The staffing needs would be the same to keep all departments going (you can't give half the staff the week off, and most departments other than dining room waiters would need the full compliment anyway)

-The entertainment/show costs would be the same

-The on-board spending would be, on average, half of that of a full ship (bars, specialty restaurants, shorex, shop spending, casino, etc.)

-Probably a heckuva lot of wasted food as the menus are set with more variety than would be needed

 

The fixed costs on a cruise ship are huge, which is why smaller ships are always more expensive to sail on.

 

The show "Undercover Boss" did an interesting NCL episode last year. When the ship sailed it wasn't yet at break-even, and only upon completion of the voyage were they able to determine if on-board spending had made it profitable.

[solocanadian]

I'm talking about making one bed instead one two (yes I have them split). Also talking about using less towels. Wow, I didn't think it was so hard to understand:rolleyes:. Just because you spend next to nothing please don't assume others do the same. I always take HALs tours, buy drinks, buy wine packages etc. Please don't paint us all with the same brush. You are probably the one the cruise lines are setting their models on. Too bad. Looks like they should pick me instead.

 

With you again on this one!