Concordia Salvage decision made: refloat and tow!

[Silverado6x6]

I keep thinking that no matter what in some way Concordia will not be cut up, perhaps it may become a permanent fixture somewhere like the Queen Mary, a giant off shore ship/hotel/casino. No need to repair the engine room. Tow it off, form a breakwater around it, strip the bottom out and fill it with concrete and then tie all the lines to a shore based connection.

 

Refurbish the upper decks which should be fairly easy, since it will never ever sail again no need to be up to maritime codes, its now a land based fixture.

 

China could use it as a naval ship I suppose:p

[CruisersNC]

I keep thinking that no matter what in some way Concordia will not be cut up, perhaps it may become a permanent fixture somewhere like the Queen Mary, a giant off shore ship/hotel/casino. No need to repair the engine room. Tow it off, form a breakwater around it, strip the bottom out and fill it with concrete and then tie all the lines to a shore based connection.

 

Refurbish the upper decks which should be fairly easy, since it will never ever sail again no need to be up to maritime codes, its now a land based fixture.

 

China could use it as a naval ship I suppose:p

 

 

Unlike the Queen Mary, I don't think i'd pay an admission to go aboard the Concordia with all thats happened. And she's probably too well constructed to be a Chinese naval ship...heh. My guess is that she'll be refloated whole and towed away to a breakers someplace. I can't imagine her ever sailing the seas again. Nothing is impossible....the MS Stockholm that collided with the Andrea Doria in heavy fog in 1956 is still sailing to this day I believe. The front end was ripped off and several people were killed (not sure how many)....but the Stockholm didn't sink...the Doria did. And there's all those naval ships that were sunk at Pearl Harbor that were refloated and put back into service. (I'd love to see a documentary on how we managed to do that so quickly!) However, given the way the Concordia was crashed and the way things were handled after....and considering public opinion on the whole matter....not to mention that she'll be half submerged for at least a year.....I would be shocked if the ship was ever used to carry passengers again. What does everyone else think?

[BlackHawk1]

I have noticed a few cheap shots at the Chinese as of late. In my opinion it is very poor thinking to underestimate their abilities when they have an objective. Regards.

[CruisersNC]

I have noticed a few cheap shots at the Chinese as of late. In my opinion it is very poor thinking to underestimate their abilities when they have an objective. Regards.

 

 

I don't underestimate their ability to achieve their objective. I think their objective for decades has been to produce and export low cost, low quality products so that they can dominate the market and they've certainly succeeded! :)

[loubetti]

Unlike the Queen Mary, I don't think i'd pay an admission to go aboard the Concordia with all thats happened. And she's probably too well constructed to be a Chinese naval ship...heh. My guess is that she'll be refloated whole and towed away to a breakers someplace. I can't imagine her ever sailing the seas again. Nothing is impossible....the MS Stockholm that collided with the Andrea Doria in heavy fog in 1956 is still sailing to this day I believe. The front end was ripped off and several people were killed (not sure how many)....but the Stockholm didn't sink...the Doria did. And there's all those naval ships that were sunk at Pearl Harbor that were refloated and put back into service. (I'd love to see a documentary on how we managed to do that so quickly!) However, given the way the Concordia was crashed and the way things were handled after....and considering public opinion on the whole matter....not to mention that she'll be half submerged for at least a year.....I would be shocked if the ship was ever used to carry passengers again. What does everyone else think?

 

More died (45) on Andrea Doria and Stockholm then did on Concordia.

 

 

So, unless way too expensive. Re-float, rebuild her, and re-name Concordia. Sail her again.

 

People have short memories- this shall pass.

 

Yes, Stockholm still sails today! Sadly, Andrea Doria went to the bottom. There was a little girl in her bed on Andrea Doria who was literally taken out of bed by the collision, and deposited in the wreckage of the Stockholm's bow, and with minor injuries!

 

We're dealing with a new age of cruisers today, many of which have little clue, and can't deal with this stuff. Imagine the folks who think Costa might go out of business over this! :eek: It's not going to happen!

 

Did KLM airlines go out of business when one one of their chief training captains, Jacob Van Zanten took off without permission, and killed 583 people on a fog shrouded runway at Tenerife?

 

 

Edit: Did White Star Line go out of business after Titanic? 1500+ dead there.

[Max49]

I don't underestimate their ability to achieve their objective. I think their objective for decades has been to produce and export low cost, low quality products so that they can dominate the market and they've certainly succeeded! :)

 

They make affordable stuff, cheap stuff and they make high quality stuff. They also make very expensive stuff especially as when hundreds of big name American companies put their name on it.

 

Also be careful what you say, they pretty much own us.

[CruisersNC]

More died (45) on Andrea Doria and Stockholm then did on Concordia.

 

 

So, unless way too expensive. Re-float, rebuild her, and re-name Concordia. Sail her again.

 

People have short memories- this shall pass.

 

Yes, Stockholm still sails today! Sadly, Andrea Doria went to the bottom. There was a little girl in her bed on Andrea Doria who was literally taken out of bed by the collision, and deposited in the wreckage of the Stockholm's bow, and with minor injuries!

 

We're dealing with a new age of cruisers today, many of which have little clue, and can't deal with this stuff. Imagine the folks who think Costa might go out of business over this! :eek: It's not going to happen!

 

Did KLM airlines go out of business when one one of their chief training captains, Jacob Van Zanten took off without permission, and killed 583 people on a fog shrouded runway at Tenerife?

 

 

Edit: Did White Star Line go out of business after Titanic? 1500+ dead there.

 

 

Wow I had no idea that many people died in the Andrea Doria/Stockholm accident. I thought it was much lower. I remember reading a very good book about the accident many years ago...and I think I may have seen a tv show about it as well. That's an amazing picture of the Stockholm....hard to believe she's still carrying passengers over 50 years later!

 

I guess only time will tell what happens to the Concordia. It will surely be interesting to watch on the Giglio port cam. There are some differences between the accidents of long ago and those today....that is the internet and hundreds of channels on tv. I'm sitting here watching a show on the Titanic while reading posts about the Concordia and Chinese products, lol. Its a different world now then it was back then. In those days you had to wait for limited information....and your newspaper never argued with you, lol. Nowadays we're flooded with every finite detail of every story....and noone can agree on anything.

[Tonka's Skipper]

I have noticed a few cheap shots at the Chinese as of late. In my opinion it is very poor thinking to underestimate their abilities when they have an objective. Regards.

 

 

 

Right now they have thier own problems with the ecomonic bubble about to burst......the their own people now aware of the rest of the world and demanding a better life........

 

P.S. yes they have had alot of luck in stealing the abilities of other countries and companies, but now that the world knows that their word is not worth a thing and that they steal what ever they want.....things are changing over there and their success rate is going down! Companies are realizing they need to protect thier intell properties.

 

I deal in export import and more and more companies and job are moving out of china and more then you think are coming back to the states

 

 

AKK

[Tonka's Skipper]

Has anyone seen a report or statement saying officially which plan has been approved to salvage the wreck?

 

 

AKK

[Ratt]

Right now they have thier own problems with the ecomonic bubble about to burst......the their own people now aware of the rest of the world and demanding a better life........

 

P.S. yes they have had alot of luck in stealing the abilities of other countries and companies' date=' but now that the world knows that their word is not worth a thing and that they steal what ever they want.....things are changing over there and their success rate is going down! Companies are realizing they need to protect thier intell properties.

 

I deal in export import and more and more companies and job are moving out of china and more then you think are coming back to the states

 

 

AKK[/quote']

 

Well said Skipper!

 

It's only a matter of time before the "you know what" hits the fan in China in regards to their economy. I think it will have a small short term effect on the world economy, but a damaging effect on their's. I have a friend that has been doing business in China for years and he says the changes in their society are major and as you have said, the people are waking up to the fact that they have been lied to and they want their fair share.

[DocF]

Has anyone seen a report or statement saying officially which plan has been approved to salvage the wreck?

 

 

AKK

 

And now getting back on topic! The reports I have read in trade papers say that the leading salvage operators have been invited to submit plans and proposals. These reports go on to say that the contract should be let by the end of this month.

 

Doc

[Tonka's Skipper]

And now getting back on topic! The reports I have read in trade papers say that the leading salvage operators have been invited to submit plans and proposals. These reports go on to say that the contract should be let by the end of this month.

 

Doc

 

Morning Doc,

 

That is what I have read in a number of places.......which is why I didnt put much faith in the leading post articale.

 

 

We should hear in a couple of weeks.

 

AKK

[Host Mick]

I keep thinking that no matter what in some way Concordia will not be cut up, perhaps it may become a permanent fixture somewhere like the Queen Mary, a giant off shore ship/hotel/casino. No need to repair the engine room. Tow it off, form a breakwater around it, strip the bottom out and fill it with concrete and then tie all the lines to a shore based connection.

 

Refurbish the upper decks which should be fairly easy, since it will never ever sail again no need to be up to maritime codes, its now a land based fixture.

 

China could use it as a naval ship I suppose:p

 

Why buy a waterlogged relic for this when there are functional yet obsolete ships going to the breakers all of the time?

The Golden Bear would have been a good candidate.

[Host Mick]

 

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We're dealing with a new age of cruisers today, many of which have little clue, and can't deal with this stuff.

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Reminds me of the tweets by people who had no idea that the film Titanic was based on a real event.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/networkdeskpeon/15-people-who-didnt-know-the-titanic-actually-53wv

[loubetti]

Reminds me of the tweets by people who had no idea that the film Titanic was based on a real event.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/networkdeskpeon/15-people-who-didnt-know-the-titanic-actually-53wv

 

:eek: Oy!!!!!! I just read the comments, at first I thought some were just joking, but then it became apparent they were not!

[Tonka's Skipper]

You mean Silverado was serious?

 

 

Not likely to happen!

 

AKK

[nybumpkin]

Reminds me of the tweets by people who had no idea that the film Titanic was based on a real event.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/networkdeskpeon/15-people-who-didnt-know-the-titanic-actually-53wv

LOL - After the 1997 movie came out my boss was walking through one of our work areas and saw the book "A Night to Remember" on a desk. He commented to the worker there about it being a good book and her response was, "You mean you already read the whole book?":p

[shelly11]

Thanks for the link. The slide show at the bottom is really amazing, trying to decide what you are seeing in those photos inside the ship.

[DocF]

Seatrade Insider reports that Mickey Arison confirms the Costa Concordia will indeed be refloated rather than cut up in place. I suspect this will end up being a 4 way partnership that does this job as the expertise of Smit and Titan compliment each other.

 

The Italian agencies which have supervision expect the contract to be let this month and the salvage to start in May.

 

http://www.cruise-community.com/News/News-Headlines/Arison-Concordia-salvage-will-be-technological-wonder.html

 

Doc

[Tonka's Skipper]

Hey Doc,

 

Just where in the report does it say the ship will be floated whole and not cut up? ma just said that for enviromental reasons, floating whole would be better then cutting the wreck up! Its the best *option*. No contract has been awarded yet.....no plan approved yet.

 

 

 

 

AKK

[Aplmac]

I deal in export import

and more and more companies and job are moving out of china

and more then you think are coming back to the States

And it's about bloody time' date=' isn't it?![/color']

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[DocF]

Hey Doc' date='

 

Just where in the report does it say the ship will be floated whole and not cut up? ma just said that for enviromental reasons, floating whole would be better then cutting the wreck up! Its the best *option*. No contract has been awarded yet.....no plan approved yet.

 

 

 

 

AKK[/quote']

 

The Italians are quite adamant that the ship be removed in whole. The methods used for refloating very large vessels that have capsized are quite well established and are fairly reliable given the quality of the likely contractors. I suspect that both of the consortiums will be involved in this task.

 

Ground tackle is laid and then derrick like structures are attached to the hulk. As the vessel is pumped out winches right it. It is a slow and well coordinated process.

 

I know of several 100,000 ton plus container ships that have been righted in this manner.

 

The contract should be let in the next few days and salvage will start in May. That has been consistent in all reports over the last several weeks.

 

Doc

[Tonka's Skipper]

The Italians are quite adamant that the ship be removed in whole. The methods used for refloating very large vessels that have capsized are quite well established and are fairly reliable given the quality of the likely contractors. I suspect that both of the consortiums will be involved in this task.

 

Ground tackle is laid and then derrick like structures are attached to the hulk. As the vessel is pumped out winches right it. It is a slow and well coordinated process.

 

I know of several 100,000 ton plus container ships that have been righted in this manner.

 

The contract should be let in the next few days and salvage will start in May. That has been consistent in all reports over the last several weeks.

 

Doc

 

 

Sorry Doc, I disagree.......

 

1. The final contract plans are each 2 firms working together, one team is proposing a cutting up pf the wreck. The Italian goverment agencies.want is out as fast as poossible and whole is possible as it will be the best ro prevent dibris on the bootm that will be hard to recover.

 

I don't beleive any 100,000 ton container ships have ever been salvaged however there have been some big ships that have been successfully righted with the derrick system. I have worked with 2 wrecks that the derrick righting system was used and its amazing how good these salvage firms are at thier *ART*.

 

You are totally correct that it is *a* proven system but the salavage firms have lots of tricks in thier basket.

 

In this case there are other issues like the damages to the stbd side, the bottom areas not examined, not to mention the gear needed to hold the wreck in place and prevent it from sliding into deep water.

 

I am not saying it won't work or it's not the best plan. I am saying we don't have all the details and information the salvage companies have in developing thier plans.

 

In any case, as you pointed out we shall see soon......either way it is going to be a massive task.....:eek:

 

 

AKK

[sidari]

Tonka ... I think the word you are looking for is Parbuckling ... :) which can work with any intact ship which Concrodia is.

 

The removal of the Concordia wreckage will commence in May, so said Fabriziu Curicu at a pressconference on Thrusday in Giglio. From the list of salvage companies who have been asked to submit their bids, 2 pair has been short listed. SMIT & NIRO, an italian Comany at the one hand and TITAN SALVAGE USA with MICOPERI also an Italian outfit.

[Tonka's Skipper]

Tonka ... I think the word you are looking for is Parbuckling ... :) which can work with any intact ship which Concrodia is.

 

The removal of the Concordia wreckage will commence in May, so said Fabriziu Curicu at a pressconference on Thrusday in Giglio. From the list of salvage companies who have been asked to submit their bids, 2 pair has been short listed. SMIT & NIRO, an italian Comany at the one hand and TITAN SALVAGE USA with MICOPERI also an Italian outfit.

 

 

 

That is indeed the word I was looking for.thanks......I get forgetfull in my old age!

*G*

 

 

It more or less down to the final team picked and the method they with use.

 

AKK