Smoking on your balcony is out! Gratuities are going up.

[halos]

I already live in Florida. We don;t have many of the stupid laws that they have up north.

 

Do tell what laws you are referring to....I am very curious.

[Out to sea!]

So do I and we have plenty of no smoking regulations here.:D

 

Name a beach in Florida where it is illegal to smoke as the other poster was stating.

[LMaxwell]

Ah, you did not specify it had to be on land. But here, I can smoke walking down the street, walking on the bike/walking trails, on the beach, in any city park, in any parking lot, in any bar that does not serve food, all legally. How many more examples do I need to provide?

 

You might want to re-check that bike/walking trail, beach, and city park claim of yours. I don't know what florida town you reside in, but in mine there are bans on smoking in those places.

 

And no, not any parking lot. If you are on school or civic property, even in a parking lot, you can not smoke either.

 

Double check so that you are certain to stay lawful.

[Out to sea!]

Schools are smoke free zones

Libraries - Only inside. Then again, I don't smoke inside my own home so it doesn't occur to me to try and smoke inside anywhere anymore.

Parks - Not where I live. Must be a crappy city you live in because it's not a state law.

Public beaches - False.

I am in FL as well; there is quite a bit of smoking regulation. More to come.

 

If your home shares common walls with other units, such as an apartment, condo, or townhome, there may be restrictions by your HOA.

 

Many work places also forbid smoking anywhere on their grounds, so stepping outside isn't enough anymore.

 

I smoked 15 years and quit. Fine. Someone wants to smoke and harm themselves, no problem. I don't get the people in this thread claiming smoking is not harmful. It's not 1940. It's 2014. Thankfully we have medical science to enlighten us that yes, smoking is very detrimental to ones health. It takes a real certain type to think that smoking is not harmful to oneself.

 

Nice try.

[Out to sea!]

Do tell what laws you are referring to....I am very curious.

 

The poster I quoted stated that smoking on a public beach was illegal. Laws such as that. And and don't forget the Big Gulp fiasco.

[Mom33]

Ah, you did not specify it had to be on land. But here, I can smoke walking down the street, walking on the bike/walking trails, on the beach, in any city park, in any parking lot, in any bar that does not serve food, all legally. How many more examples do I need to provide?

 

Thanks for your examples. In most of these situations people can move away from you. On a balcony they can't

without leaving their paid for space.

Edited July 9, 2014 by Mom33

[Out to sea!]

You might want to re-check that bike/walking trail, beach, and city park claim of yours. I don't know what florida town you reside in, but in mine there are bans on smoking in those places.

 

And no, not any parking lot. If you are on school or civic property, even in a parking lot, you can not smoke either.

 

Double check so that you are certain to stay lawful.

 

All of the laws applicable to those areas are stated on a post at those locations. No law against smoking. Sorry to rain on your parade.

[lyannea]

With glass enclosed balconies, could you imagine the smell of the cabin? It would be like walking into the casino. I don't see it as a viable option.

Maybe I just can't picture it, but how would they clean the outside glass ?

[Out to sea!]

Maybe I just can't picture it, but how would they clean the outside glass ?

 

Probably using the outside window scrubbers just like they use for the windows around the buffet.

[lyannea]

People from either end can scream, rant or rave until they turn blue....the decision CCL or any line makes is because of this $$$$$$$

MONEY and PROFITS are what cause decisions and changes to be made and obviously smokers cost the lines far too much in insurance. Blaming non smokers may make you feel better, but it isn't realistic.

 

So if insurance rates went up after the cigarette causing fires on Princess and Grandour, this new rule would make sense.

 

If my home insurance went up because I smoked in my home and surrounding property, I would have to make a decision also.

[CdrescherRBL152]

I totally agree that my opinion is a drop in the ocean but I am still entitled to it. And you can be assured that I will not be booking any more vacations with Carnival, which is a sad state of affairs as we had several planned and were greatly looking forward to them. I do tire of people trying to tell me how to live my life (why don't you just quit?) and feeling righteous in doing so though. I mean honestly, would those same people walk up to an obese person and say "why don't you just diet?" I think not and yet they feel completely entitled to tell me how I should live.

 

I also tend to disagree with you "majority" statement. This was a small group of rabid individuals that could be found on these boards on any given day dedicated to letter writing campaigns and internet posts as if this were their only reason for existence. Many non-smokers could not care less. Smokers have been conditioned to simply accept the every increasing hand of big brother and tend to quietly move on. There has been talk of a poll or questionnaire Carnival supposedly sent out yet no one opposed to this new ban had even heard of it. Of the 20+ people we just sailed with in May, no one was polled. As a family of 6 regular Carnival cruisers, not one of us received a poll or email. I would be interested to know exactly what people they sampled.

 

Like a lot of things happening right now in or society - it is the one who makes the most noise that gets gratification. We will see how this affects CCL. It might, it might not. There really is not a direct comparison to RCL as their demographic is very different.

 

I have already had to change my short term and long term plans for vacationing, which is sad because I genuinely enjoyed Carnival and cruising in general, but I am certain the zealots have their sites set on NCL next. I will return to land based vacations but will certainly miss the sea. And I am sure there are many like me. And for what? So someone doesn't sniff a bad smell for 1.2 seconds which apparently ruins their entire cruise experience?

 

It really is sad that others feel so justified in imposing their will on others. It kind of makes you wonder where it will end? Because rest assured, this is just the beginning.

 

Imposing their will on others, I fot one have had it up to you know where with that attitude. Cause all you are saying is that your right to smoke out weighes anyone else's right to not to have to smell the smoke. When the actions of one person invades the personal space of another, putting an end to that action is justified. And when a majority of people, which as Carnival has said is the reason for this move, then the democratic path is to follow the said majority.

 

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[richfret]

Gosh ........... I would like to get into this fray but I don't smoke and I don't like smoke in my face. Then again, there is the constitution so I got it out and did a review. Sure enough, there it is and I quote: "Hear Ye! Hear Ye! No one can hinder any one else from smoking on their balcony on a cruise ship." So that settles this dispute and we can all go back to planning excursions. It's all so easy if you just follow the rules.

[Cruise4Music]

Sadly for you, the movement is in progress in foreign countries as well. Did you know that it is illegal to smoke in public in Barbados? :eek: Just one example.

 

I find your final phrase ironic.:( Thanks to the medical community, and many regulations, my life is virtually smoke free and my health greatly enhanced since quitting 22 years ago. Good luck in the land of denial.

 

Well said.

 

We had a saying in the Navy that there was always 10% that just don't get the word.

 

I think this thread proves that point.:D

[Bookbug53]

Imposing their will on others, I fot one have had it up to you know where with that attitude. Cause all you are saying is that your right to smoke out weighes anyone else's right to not to have to smell the smoke. When the actions of one person invades the personal space of another, putting an end to that action is justified. And when a majority of people, which as Carnival has said is the reason for this move, then the democratic path is to follow the said majority.

 

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Well said. :)

[gemsm]

Outside many office buildings and places of business, you have to leave the property to smoke outside. Hospital and school campuses are examples too.

No more smoking by the entrances and exits. Many beaches and parks are now no smoking outside areas.

The trend is no smoking in public airspace and it isn't going away.

 

Yep...And I have always thought that was a pretty damn stupid trend. Of course the next trend is going to be no more fast food for the obese...Mark my words it will happen because people are more concerned about what others do then living their own damn lives

[gemsm]

See, this is where smokers become illogical.

 

I truly think a plexiglass bubble that wraps around the balcony would be a perfect solution.

 

Smokers would still have their view and the luxury of having a balcony. I would think this would make smokers happy.

 

The non smokers want the fresh sea air, but in all the posts, not one of the smokers have mentioned going out for a breath of fresh sea air....so really, why not have glass enclosed balconies for the smokers?

 

Why do you suggest non smokers be enclosed when it's them who are adamant about breathing fresh air rather than the toxins smokers are breathing in??

 

I truly believe it's a win win for all!

 

Maybe because there truly is no such thing as "fresh air"...Even at sea you are breathing in the toxins from the diesel exhaust from the whale tail

[EZ4]

Yep...And I have always thought that was a pretty damn stupid trend. Of course the next trend is going to be no more fast food for the obese...Mark my words it will happen because people are more concerned about what others do then living their own damn lives

 

You're wrong. The next trend will be ratting out your smoking cruise neighbor for OBC. It's all part of our move to a police state. :p

Edited July 9, 2014 by EZ4

[gemsm]

Schools are smoke free zones

Libraries

Parks

Public beaches

I am in FL as well; there is quite a bit of smoking regulation. More to come.

 

If your home shares common walls with other units, such as an apartment, condo, or townhome, there may be restrictions by your HOA.

 

Many work places also forbid smoking anywhere on their grounds, so stepping outside isn't enough anymore.

 

I smoked 15 years and quit. Fine. Someone wants to smoke and harm themselves, no problem. I don't get the people in this thread claiming smoking is not harmful. It's not 1940. It's 2014. Thankfully we have medical science to enlighten us that yes, smoking is very detrimental to ones health. It takes a real certain type to think that smoking is not harmful to oneself.

 

No we claimed that no one has conclusively proven that second hand smoke causes death...or harm actually. everyone knows smoking harms the person doing so

[gemsm]

Sadly for you, the movement is in progress in foreign countries as well. Did you know that it is illegal to smoke in public in Barbados? :eek: Just one example.

 

I find your final phrase ironic.:( Thanks to the medical community, and many regulations, my life is virtually smoke free and my health greatly enhanced since quitting 22 years ago. Good luck in the land of denial.

 

No it is not illegal to smoke in public in Barbados...It is illegal to smoke in public places which are defined as:

 

 

A building, place, structure or facility that is owned, controlled, managed or occupied by the Crown or a statutory board in Barbados;

place, site, building, factory, plant, workplace or other structure that is fully or substantially enclosed;

library, museum, auditorium, historic or other site of archeological or national significance, to which the public or a member or section of the public has access or is permitted to have access, with or without restriction to users and whether or not on the payment of money; or by virtue of membership;

 

 

Also E-cigarettes do not apply to this law as they are not smoking.

 

Just your FYI Public Service announcement for the day

[Cruise4Music]

Yep...That is totally going to come back and bite them in the ass in the form of premium dollars paid to fill cabins. however if you wait til last minute or book an inside on RCL ... You have a good chance of ending up in a much cheaper balcony or free upgrade.

 

No it won't bite Carnival. Carnival can and would make the ship all smoking if it was good for business.

 

Where are all the smokers going to come from?

 

Understand most people who cruise don't smoke in 2014. Non-smokers drink, gamble and spend just like smokers. It's just there are many times the number of non-smokers to smokers.

 

What you really need to change things is more smokers.:D

Edited July 9, 2014 by Cruise4Music

[MEcruisin]

Well this sucks! sorry for such language. :confused: As of October 2014, Not being able to smoke on our own balcony that we have paid heftily for?? My Husband is a smoker. Carnival has finally gone and done it, they have lost us as cruisers with their line. I guess time to try new and different vacations. What other lines still allow smoking on balconys?? Can someone chime in here for me??

[Cruise4Music]

Well this sucks! sorry for such language. :confused: As of October 2014, Not being able to smoke on our own balcony that we have paid heftily for?? My Husband is a smoker. Carnival has finally gone and done it, they have lost us as cruisers with their line. I guess time to try new and different vacations. What other lines still allow smoking on balconys?? Can someone chime in here for me??

 

 

NCL and HAL but you better be quick.

[chris330r]

No I am not wrong IMHO but whatever floats your boat. By the way I vape...I don't smoke

 

The Whale Tail is like 100 ft over the balconies and blowing all those "toxins" up into the sky while the ship below is quickly moving in the opposite direction.

 

You can hardly compare that to a next door balcony's occupant billowing smoke just 2 ft away, especially if the non smoker's balcony is downwind from them.

 

And IMHO, the sea air you breath out on a balcony is fresh.

[BaseballMomof4]

That is completely untrue and you know it. I'm amazed at the great lengths smokers will go to justify their smoking habit. To the point of making such illogical statements as that.

 

Seriously? You honestly believe that the smoke from the smokestack is toxin free? You do understand that all combustibles have carcinogens in them right? You do understand that diesel fuel is one of the worst for carcinogens right?

[BaseballMomof4]

Well this sucks! sorry for such language. :confused: As of October 2014, Not being able to smoke on our own balcony that we have paid heftily for?? My Husband is a smoker. Carnival has finally gone and done it, they have lost us as cruisers with their line. I guess time to try new and different vacations. What other lines still allow smoking on balconys?? Can someone chime in here for me??

 

Looks like smokers had better start a letter writing campaign to NCL reminding them of the business they can pick up if they don't change their policy ;)

 

Their stock certainly went up a nice bit today :D as Carnival and Royal fell. :eek: