Sow There Posted October 30, 2014 #401 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'm quite confident smoking will be banned by this time next year. Several years ago Carnival launched a new ship, the Carnival Paradise. It started out as a totally no smoking ship and if a passenger was caught smoking they were put off at the next port. Didn't work. The policy was eventually dropped because there was no demand for a no smoking ship. The Paradise launched in 1997 and dropped its no smoking rules in 2003. Renaissance cruises (remember them?) had a total no smoking policy. Didn't work. Renaissance is out of business. I seriously doubt that HAL will take a chance by becoming totally smoke free by October 29, 2015. The only way would be if many (most?) of the competition goes smoke free before HAL does. Right now there are no lines that have a total smoking ban. Many have tougher policies than does HAL, and it's possible that HAL will toughen their smoking policy by October 29, 2015, but a total ban? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted October 30, 2014 #402 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Several years ago Carnival launched a new ship, the Carnival Paradise. It started out as a totally no smoking ship and if a passenger was caught smoking they were put off at the next port. Didn't work. The policy was eventually dropped because there was no demand for a no smoking ship. The Paradise launched in 1997 and dropped its no smoking rules in 2003. Renaissance cruises (remember them?) had a total no smoking policy. Didn't work. Renaissance is out of business. I seriously doubt that HAL will take a chance by becoming totally smoke free by October 29, 2015. The only way would be if many (most?) of the competition goes smoke free before HAL does. Right now there are no lines that have a total smoking ban. Many have tougher policies than does HAL, and it's possible that HAL will toughen their smoking policy by October 29, 2015, but a total ban? I think not. I should have been more specific. I meant on balconies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toad Posted October 30, 2014 #403 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Yes, you've made your opinion quite clear, just as I have. Please understand just because you have not smelled smoke doesn't mean others haven't. I cruise princess often and they have banned balcony smoking. I've never smelled an overpowering smell of smoke you say you experienced on ncl. The 2 do not necessarily go hand in hand. I don't think hal is taking anyone's "vote". Cruz Chic: I guess I obviously did not "make my point quite clear" as you apparently did not understand what I was suggesting, which was, if they BAN balcony smoking, all those smokers will go elsewhere, which is what seemed to happen on NCL, that area being around the pool...... that is my fear. Then all those who now smoke on their balconies as many have suggested will go to the "public" areas and smoke, and isn't it better than in common space to possibly have one smoker on a balcony than 100 around the pool congregating and smoking? Just saying, be careful what you wish for..... Edited October 30, 2014 by Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PathfinderEss Posted October 30, 2014 #404 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Cruz Chic: I guess I obviously did not "make my point quite clear" as you apparently did not understand what I was suggesting, which was, if they BAN balcony smoking, all those smokers will go elsewhere, which is what seemed to happen on NCL, that area being around the pool...... that is my fear. Then all those who now smoke on their balconies as many have suggested will go to the "public" areas and smoke, and isn't it better than in common space to possibly have one smoker on a balcony than 100 around the pool congregating and smoking? Just saying, be careful what you wish for..... Well said Toad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie68 Posted October 30, 2014 #405 Share Posted October 30, 2014 As a smoker, I've avoided smoking threads like the plague. I've been smoke free for 9 months now, and am finally beginning to see the "other side of the story". I can hardly believe I'm anxious to cruise now, as a non-smoker, and not have to worry about when and where I can get my next smoke. :):):) Though I will always and forever respect the rights of those who choose to smoke. I spent too many years defending that right. Congratulations! It's a wonderful feeling when you are no longer a slave to the cigarettes, worrying about how to find somewhere to smoke! I remember it well.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted October 30, 2014 #406 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Cruz Chic: I guess I obviously did not "make my point quite clear" as you apparently did not understand what I was suggesting, which was, if they BAN balcony smoking, all those smokers will go elsewhere, which is what seemed to happen on NCL, that area being around the pool...... that is my fear. Then all those who now smoke on their balconies as many have suggested will go to the "public" areas and smoke, and isn't it better than in common space to possibly have one smoker on a balcony than 100 around the pool congregating and smoking? Just saying, be careful what you wish for..... Yes, I got your point. I'm not dense. That's why I said I've never smelled overpowering smoke on princess. Just so you understand that means anywhere on the ship. I'm sorry you couldn't understand. Smokers really love to give this to people as a warning. I don't care where smokers smoke. I do not want to smell it on my balcony that a pay dearly for. You can take that to the bank. Just sayin' (I hate that saying)don't paint all non smokers with the same brush. Edited October 30, 2014 by cruz chic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted October 30, 2014 #407 Share Posted October 30, 2014 This is funny...the same old discussion/assumptions made on other cruise line boards in years past. If they ban balcony smoking, the public smoking areas will become unbearable smoke pits that overwhelm everyone and everything around them. Blah, blah, blah. I saw this on Celebrity. I saw this on Princess. I saw this on RCI. Yet, it all turned out to be untrue. I've cruised all these other lines numerous times since their new policies were placed into effect and the public smoking areas are no worse than they were when balcony smoking was permitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertz Von Seasider Posted October 30, 2014 #408 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I have no problem with people smoking and it certainly didn't bother us on our recent HAL cruise. What did though was people throwing their cigarette stubs into the sea which then blew onto our balcony ! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Bear Posted October 30, 2014 #409 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Just back from the Eurodam. Had a corner aft and it was basically unusable because of the cigar smoker one cabin in front of us. It seemed he was out there every living minute. You could even smell it as you passed by his cabin door. We talked to the concierge but they said there was nothing they could do, it was allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammiedawg Posted October 30, 2014 #410 Share Posted October 30, 2014 We had a similiar experience to Northern Bears's Eurodam sailing, it was our last balcony on HAL. We had a "spa suite", much touted for wellness and health. The cabin featured some extra wellness amenities but our balcony was useless due to adjacent smoking of cigarettes and cigars. The stink and smoke overwhelmed us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertPesce7751 Posted October 30, 2014 #411 Share Posted October 30, 2014 We had a similiar experience to Northern Bears's Eurodam sailing, it was our last balcony on HAL. We had a "spa suite", much touted for wellness and health. The cabin featured some extra wellness amenities but our balcony was useless due to adjacent smoking of cigarettes and cigars. The stink and smoke overwhelmed us. I thought they banned cigars and pipes on the balconies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakalina Posted October 30, 2014 #412 Share Posted October 30, 2014 No DesertPesce they have not. Smoking on balconies of cigarettes, pipes, cigars is allowed by HAL at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxboy Posted October 30, 2014 #413 Share Posted October 30, 2014 This is funny...the same old discussion/assumptions made on other cruise line boards in years past. If they ban balcony smoking, the public smoking areas will become unbearable smoke pits that overwhelm everyone and everything around them. Blah, blah, blah. I saw this on Celebrity. I saw this on Princess. I saw this on RCI. Yet, it all turned out to be untrue. Since RCI has banned balcony smoking, I have noticed several posts complaining about smoke being more prevalent in the casino and public areas. Even complaints from those who's balconies were above a designated outdoor smoking areas where the smoke drifted up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydaes Posted October 30, 2014 #414 Share Posted October 30, 2014 We have an aft cabin on the Veendam. It is on the Promenade deck. I've been on another HAL ship walking the deck and did see some people smoking. I just hope they don't set up a chair for the day and sit there and smoke. Even if we won't be in the cabin all the time, I'd hate to have the smoke permeate my room. I have asthma so being around smoke really can bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb125 Posted October 30, 2014 #415 Share Posted October 30, 2014 We have an aft cabin on the Veendam. It is on the Promenade deck. I've been on another HAL ship walking the deck and did see some people smoking. I just hope they don't set up a chair for the day and sit there and smoke. Even if we won't be in the cabin all the time, I'd hate to have the smoke permeate my room. I have asthma so being around smoke really can bother me. I thought smoking had been banned on the promenade deck on all ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertPesce7751 Posted October 30, 2014 #416 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I thought smoking had been banned on the promenade deck on all ships. It has, but some ships are lax on enforcing this. Also, some ships still have built-in ash trays around the Promenade decks, so it confuses people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toad Posted October 30, 2014 #417 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yes, I got your point. I'm not dense. That's why I said I've never smelled overpowering smoke on princess. Just so you understand that means anywhere on the ship. I'm sorry you couldn't understand. Smokers really love to give this to people as a warning. I don't care where smokers smoke. I do not want to smell it on my balcony that a pay dearly for. You can take that to the bank. Just sayin' (I hate that saying)don't paint all non smokers with the same brush. Sorry Cruz chic, I am done trying to explain to you, and just for your information, I am a Nonsmoker, so I guess you really do not get the point I was trying to make. We always cruise in a balcony( so we too, "pay dearly") or suite cabin and I only stated we had not been bothered by smoke except on that one occasion. You have JUMPED to the erroneous conclusion that I am a smoker simply because I do not support your wholesale banning of cigarette smoking on balconies. Apparently I am a bit more tolerant of others than some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hal lover Posted October 30, 2014 #418 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Smoker 's and Non Smoker's need to learn to be more tolerant. This bickering all the time is fruitless. I have been smoke free for one and half year's now and at no time has someone elses smoking been a problem for me. I do not walk in their space. I feel that a lot of non smoker's are really anti smoker's and they want all or nothing. Tolerance people, tolerance. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sow There Posted October 30, 2014 #419 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Smoker 's and Non Smoker's need to learn to be more tolerant. This bickering all the time is fruitless. I have been smoke free for one and half year's now and at no time has someone elses smoking been a problem for me. I do not walk in their space. I feel that a lot of non smoker's are really anti smoker's and they want all or nothing. Tolerance people, tolerance. JMO. Perfectly stated, hal lover. Sometimes (no, most of the time) as a non smoker myself, I hear the irrational passion of the anti-smoker being so over the top as showing an intent to shout down any or all opposing perspectives. And the need for tolerance is clearly evident. Thanks, hal lover. You nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseWhere Posted October 30, 2014 #420 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Tolerance YES!!!! Paying dearly or not for a balcony and having to put up with smoke for your entire cruise....tolerance is not an issue!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted October 30, 2014 #421 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I find it amusing how so many non smokers are concerned about the rights of smokers. My guess is that there in a smoker somewhere in their travel circle. No one will ever get bent about something if it doesn't effect them. I have been on a inhaler now since March for a cough I can't kick. Smoke does nothing to make it feel better. I will continue to encourage hal to end balcony smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseWhere Posted October 30, 2014 #422 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I will continue to encourage hal to end balcony smoking. You and me both!!! With an army behind us gf!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie68 Posted October 30, 2014 #423 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Smoker 's and Non Smoker's need to learn to be more tolerant. This bickering all the time is fruitless. I have been smoke free for one and half year's now and at no time has someone elses smoking been a problem for me. I do not walk in their space. I feel that a lot of non smoker's are really anti smoker's and they want all or nothing. Tolerance people, tolerance. JMO. One-sided tolerance doesn't usually work.:rolleyes: Anything that impacts on others comfort or health, no matter what it is, shouldn't have to be tolerated. It would be considerate for a smoker to remove himself/herself to an area where others do not have to deal with the smoke as well. Edited to add - my post sounds harsh and I regret that. Didn't come across quite as I intended - I am a non smoker now, and I think that naturally tends towards anti-smoking, but I remember how defensive and inconsiderate I was myself back then. Edited October 30, 2014 by Lizzie68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthC Posted October 30, 2014 #424 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I find it amusing how so many non smokers are concerned about the rights of smokers. My guess is that there in a smoker somewhere in their travel circle. Your guess is wrong in my case. I defend the rights of smokers because it's the fair thing to do---pure and simple. Smoking is still legal in both our countries, although severely restricted. It is also severely restricted on HAL ships. It has been restricted enough that any more changes should be just that---trade offs so that people engaged in a legal activity will have as much space as they do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scm1848 Posted October 31, 2014 #425 Share Posted October 31, 2014 We have a 25 day cruise booked for next November in a suite. As smokers, HAL will loose some serious $$$$ if we can't smoke on our veranda. I think when HAL sees how far out its expensive verandas and suites are filling up, its smoking policy will remain in effect. Book another cruise line, people, please. You have so many options that we dont'!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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