Fattony Posted August 20, 2014 #26 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Someone told me that in Europe people use the terms non-stop and direct interchangeably, while in the U.S. direct means no change of planes (i.e., all non-stops are direct but not all direct flights are non-stop). Southwest Airlines uses the term "no change of planes" for a direct flight that is not non-stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6rugrats Posted August 20, 2014 #27 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Someone told me that in Europe people use the terms non-stop and direct interchangeably, while in the U.S. direct means no change of planes (i.e., all non-stops are direct but not all direct flights are non-stop). Southwest Airlines uses the term "no change of planes" for a direct flight that is not non-stop. Confusing. A direct flight simply means the flight keeps the same flight number throughout all the legs; you can have a plane change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted August 20, 2014 #28 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Someone told me that in Europe people use the terms non-stop and direct interchangeably, while in the U.S. direct means no change of planes (i.e., all non-stops are direct but not all direct flights are non-stop). Southwest Airlines uses the term "no change of planes" for a direct flight that is not non-stop.That may be a colloquialism, but "direct" and "non-stop" are terms of art in the airline industry worldwide and mean specific things that are quite distinct. As far as I am concerned, I don't care about colloquialism by the masses....if there is a specific technical term that means something, I use it. One USA/non-USA term that is also frequently brought up is "return" vs "round-trip". Again, "round-trip" is a term of art, while "return" is colloquial for R/T in both Europe and Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach1213 Posted August 20, 2014 #29 Share Posted August 20, 2014 That may be a colloquialism, but "direct" and "non-stop" are terms of art in the airline industry worldwide and mean specific things that are quite distinct. As far as I am concerned, I don't care about colloquialism by the masses....if there is a specific technical term that means something, I use it. One USA/non-USA term that is also frequently brought up is "return" vs "round-trip". Again, "round-trip" is a term of art, while "return" is colloquial for R/T in both Europe and Canada. The "return" term seems to be pretty ubiquitous in the Commonwealth. I know Australia uses it, as does India. I basically use "return" anywhere outside of the US to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globaliser Posted August 22, 2014 #30 Share Posted August 22, 2014 A direct flight simply means the flight keeps the same flight number throughout all the legs; you can have a plane change.If there's a "direct" flight that involves an aircraft change, I prefer the colloquialism of "flight number fraud". Particularly as an A-B-C direct flight of this kind can see the B-C flight depart B before the A-B flight has arrived at B, if the A-B flight is delayed. In substance, it's no different from a connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globaliser Posted August 22, 2014 #31 Share Posted August 22, 2014 One USA/non-USA term that is also frequently brought up is "return" vs "round-trip". Again, "round-trip" is a term of art, while "return" is colloquial for R/T in both Europe and Canada. The "return" term seems to be pretty ubiquitous in the Commonwealth. I know Australia uses it, as does India. I basically use "return" anywhere outside of the US to be safe.I think this is a genuine linguistic difference. In the UK and many Commonwealth countries, one can buy a "single" or a "return" ticket. (SailorJack, whose reviews you may have read here, once asked why he should need to buy a single ticket when he's married.) In the US, these would be "one-way" and "round-trip". The US usage is the norm in the airline industry, so I have taken to using these terms when talking about air travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted August 22, 2014 #32 Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) In the US, these would be "one-way" and "round-trip". The US usage is the norm in the airline industry, so I have taken to using these terms when talking about air travel.Someday, the rest of you blokes will also see the light and come around....:D :D Who was it who said something about one people, separated by a common language? Edited August 22, 2014 by FlyerTalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairsin Posted August 22, 2014 #33 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Sorry to quibble but it is " two countries divided by a common language." It has been attributed to George Bernard Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenish Posted August 22, 2014 #34 Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) If there's a "direct" flight that involves an aircraft change, I prefer the colloquialism of "flight number fraud". Particularly as an A-B-C direct flight of this kind can see the B-C flight depart B before the A-B flight has arrived at B, if the A-B flight is delayed. In substance, it's no different from a connection. Taking your example one step farther, the A-B and B-C flights will have the same flight number on the passenger-facing side of the airline. However, if A-B and B-C are not on the same aircraft and B-C departs before A-B arrives, B-C is assigned a different operational flight number. It would be a serious safety issue if both flights "Ace Airways 234" are in the air, even worse if they are in the same sector of airspace on the same radio frequency. Some airlines pre-assign a "placeholder" operating flight number so their flight ops and ATC are all set in case A-B is delayed. Other airlines only do this when it actually happens. Edited August 22, 2014 by kenish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefchick Posted August 22, 2014 #35 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Since you are "new" to flying, welcome to your first lesson. When looking up airfares, take the one you are most comfortable with price wise, and schedule wise, then book it and if it's non refundable....just stop looking. That way is madness :p Honestly, it will drive you crazy. Now, if your cruise price drops and it's before final payment, then call your TA stat! Regarding Delta's policies; I am certainly no expert, but on my upcoming return flt from Barbados to Seattle; Delta cancelled my late evening connection thru ATL (which I originally booked because it fit my schedule so well). With the new flt I would have had less than 30 mins to connect from an international flt to domestic. Since the change was more than a 2 hour difference, I was able to call and change to another flight for no charge. I think the policy is at least 2 hours, but I'm not totally sure of that. The only tip I can give someone who needs to make a change on Delta is to call the Sky Miles assistance line as opposed to the regular customer service number. I feel I got better service that way. (Honestly, even if you are not a member, it might be worth it to join before having to make that call) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted August 23, 2014 #36 Share Posted August 23, 2014 The only tip I can give someone who needs to make a change on Delta is to call the Sky Miles assistance line as opposed to the regular customer service number. I feel I got better service that way. (Honestly, even if you are not a member, it might be worth it to join before having to make that call) Unless you have elite status with DL, calling that SkyMiles number just gives you to the same general reservation agents that you would get by simply calling reservations. In fact, there are different numbers for the different elite levels. So you maybe just got a better agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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